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Irony Be My Shield posted:Seriously outside of the manabases you can easily play legacy without touching a reserve listed card. Or you can play Death and Taxes and completely ignore the reserve list unless you want a Humility in the board. DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:-brainstorm with best VMA art FTFY I wouldn't be surprised to see Crucible of Worlds, Karakas and some of the better Commander cards like Toxic Deluge. Did they say it's all reprints or can there be new cards?
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Yawgmoth posted:Wow that's loving awesome and I kind of want to build around that. that art is pretty loving good Angry Grimace posted:It wasn't miserable in VMA at uncommon for an obvious reason: because black sucks rear end in a set that reprints old cards because older cards were all designed around Dark Ritual and if you don't have a bunch of Dark Ritual everything is overcosted. Hymn isn't overcosted but i get your point, I still really don't like the card tho
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Note that Compelling Deterrence is a little worse than it would be in most sets because of madness- you'll want to be careful about casting this vs madness colors with mana up. It also could enable your opponent's delirium cards at an awkward time. On the plus side it gets to act as a straight-up kill spell if your opponent is hellbent. You'll probably want to hold an extra land in hand vs blue decks. What I'm saying is that this set looks like it's going to have a ton of play to it, like original Innistrad.
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mandatory lesbian posted:that art is pretty loving good My recollection was black being horrible in VMA or maybe it was just because I drafted Battle Screech into Radiant all the goddamn time because you would always win if you could get it.
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Angry Grimace posted:My recollection was black being horrible in VMA White was easily the best color in VMA and it's not particularly close, i am hoping the balance will be better for this release
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Angry Grimace posted:My recollection was black being horrible in VMA
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Mneumonic wall variants in standard that can loop Ghostway indefinitely: Greenwarden of Murasa, Possessed Skaab, Ulamog's Reclaimer (needs processing). I can imagine this deck being very annoying
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Who wants to take the over of 13.5 cards in the set worth more than the MSRP of one pack of Eternal Masters?
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Ramos posted:On the flip side, the flavor of Innistrad looks fantastic so far. I doubt they'll be able to pull off a limited format with as much depth as the first one though. Here's the important question. Are we finally getting the Legendary Werewolf?!
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Holy poo poo it's real. Edit: also gently caress you wizards FoW at mythic like I predicted instead of its actual uncommon rarity.
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Here's the important question. Are we finally getting the Legendary Werewolf?! If we don't, I wouldn't be surprised to wake up one morning and find out that Maro was strangled to death by an angry werewolf player. Errant Gin Monks posted:Holy poo poo it's real. I think everyone saw that coming after Goyf at mythic rarity the first time.
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suicidesteve posted:. Did they say it's all reprints or can there be new cards? No new cards.
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Here's the important question. Are we finally getting the Legendary Werewolf?! There is absolutely no chance that we do not get a legendary RG werewolf.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Holy poo poo it's real. Yeah dude. I was hoping to go from 12 to maybe 50 and making a binder just full of them but alas... 
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Ramos posted:If we don't, I wouldn't be surprised to wake up one morning and find out that Maro was strangled to death by an angry werewolf player. Yeah but it's still loving dumb to drag it all the way to mythic from uncommon. Rare I understand.
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FoW should be mythic, or at least rare, it's not like they had any idea what they were doing when they printed it as an uncommon originally. If there are Zendikar fetches in this set it might actually raise the price of packs. I hope the drafting is not as dumb as Vintage Masters was.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:There is absolutely no chance that we do not get a legendary RG werewolf. i don't trust R&D to not gently caress it up but with the flip-walkers existing there is definitely hope in my heart
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:There is absolutely no chance that we do not get a legendary RG werewolf. Also, at least they didn't make wasteland a mythic. That would have been galling.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:There's also always Eldritch Moon.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:There is absolutely no chance that we do not get a legendary RG werewolf. Wasn't the issue with that some weird interaction between flip cards and the Legend rule? Like, you can control both sides at the same time but if one flips then the legend rule applies. IIRC though, when Innistrad was printed the legend rule was that you have to get rid of both, and there could only be one total on any side of the field. With the change to the legend rule it should be much less complicated to print a legendary werewolf. However, the checklist for Shadows over Innistrad has already been spoiled so unless there is another checklist there is no RG werewolf, legendary or otherwise, in SoI.
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Lets Pickle posted:FoW should be mythic, or at least rare, it's not like they had any idea what they were doing when they printed it as an uncommon originally. If there are Zendikar fetches in this set it might actually raise the price of packs. I hope the drafting is not as dumb as Vintage Masters was. Urza's is so full of broken poo poo that FoW being at uncommon was nowhere near the top of the list of things wrong with it i reserve judgement on it being mythic, altho my first impression is that it's only mythic cause of how iconic it is, and tbh i can agree with that reasoning even if i would rather see it as an uncommon again
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mandatory lesbian posted:Urza's is so full of broken poo poo that FoW being at uncommon was nowhere near the top of the list of things wrong with it Force of Will was in Alliances, a set with nothing else good in it but which was beloved for being the first set released after an eight-month gap following Homelands.
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FoW was in alliances a set with other good cards people care about such as:
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Mneumonic wall variants in standard that can loop Ghostway indefinitely: Greenwarden of Murasa, Possessed Skaab, Ulamog's Reclaimer (needs processing). I can imagine this deck being very annoying There arent any ETB creatures that make mana in standard is there? Also lets you turn megamorphs over for 2w, but then you don't get the effect. born on a buy you posted:FoW was in alliances a set with other good cards people care about such as: At the time Balduvian Horde was a thing.
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I just want a port/karakas reprint. That way I can build death and taxes since it's funny.
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Angry Grimace posted:Force of Will was in Alliances, a set with nothing else good in it but which was beloved for being the first set released after an eight-month gap following Homelands. holy poo poo, lmao i just assumed all these years it was Urza's sorry, any set older then New Phyrexia is before my time, i just assume if a card is free or broken it was in Urza's Block or Alpha
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If Imperial Recruiter gets reprinted, get a playset of Aluren. It can get away with 1 or 2 duals, and run without any if it has to, and it's a combo deck that is reasonably resilient.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Holy poo poo it's real. Lmao at anyone who thought it was going to be printed at UC when Maro has said multiple times that it would be at least a rare if it was printed now
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I would argue Force of Will at uncommon in Urza's Block would have done wonders for fixing the format. It would still be primarily a blue format though.
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As the owner of an FoW playset, seeing it printed at uncommon would've been totally fine, but I understand them printing it at Mythic. Complaining that they didn't is like Smash Melee complaining about them not putting wavedashing, an entirely unintentional mechanic, in Smash 4.
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born on a buy you posted:FoW was in alliances a set with other good cards people care about such as: smh if you didn't love Contagion Also, even in "cards people still care about in TYOOL 2016," you're forgetting Elvish Spirit Guide.
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bhsman posted:As the owner of an FoW playset, seeing it printed at uncommon would've been totally fine, but I understand them printing it at Mythic. Complaining that they didn't is like Smash Melee complaining about them not putting wavedashing, an entirely unintentional mechanic, in Smash 4. Let me break that analogy for you: Smash 4 isn't toting wave dashing behind a cost barrier.
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Alliances had some pretty awesome goblin stuff. RIP goblins.
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Does Wizards really care that printing them at UC would have made their current price sink like a boulder in the ocean? It's not like they're making money by people buying whatever Alliance packs are left trying to pull one
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Ramos posted:Let me break that analogy for you: Smash 4 isn't toting wave dashing behind a cost barrier. You mean other than buying it? 
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Diminishing Returns Thawing Glaciers Kjeldoran Outpost Alliances was non-sarcastically a pretty cool set.
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mandatory lesbian posted:i just assume if a card is free or broken it was in Urza's Block or Alpha Also, Kjeldoran Outpost is in my "I will ruin multiplayer games forever" Last Laugh deck.
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