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CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001
Oven Wrangler

Grey Hunter posted:








Owch, that's a fair few losses!

This timeline's John Thach came up with some sort of ThunderboltDeathBall tactic that allows Jugs to win against 10 to 1 numbers.

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Chunky Monkey
Jun 12, 2005
Kill the Gnome!
Next WiTP LP should be goon v goon where one group of goons plays as the IJA and the other as the IJN.

Woodchip
Mar 28, 2010
there's a bunch of us doing Guadacanal as IJN and IJA vs USN/USA/CW, come point and laugh!

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

6 December 1944

HMS Bullen, a frigate, breaks in half off the Scottish coast after suffering a homing torpedo strike amidships from U-775.

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

Pershing posted:

Seconding the request to give an update on the progress of the India army. How close are they?

Due to a typo they're actually marching to Indiana. It'll take a while though.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

Chunky Monkey posted:

Next WiTP LP should be goon v goon where one group of goons plays as the IJA and the other as the IJN.

I'm actually running a Goon v Goon WITP LP right now.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3874693

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Saros posted:

I'm actually running a Goon v Goon WITP LP right now.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3874693

I've been digging it btw.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

6 December 1944

HMS Bullen, a frigate, breaks in half off the Scottish coast after suffering a homing torpedo strike amidships from U-775.

how do homing torpedoes work in this time period by the way?

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Mans posted:

how do homing torpedoes work in this time period by the way?

Acoustic homing, I think. Attracted to the noise of the engines/screws.

dublish
Oct 31, 2011


Pershing posted:

Seconding the request to give an update on the progress of the India army. How close are they?

By now, continental drift has brought the Indian subcontinent a few millimeters closer to Chungking.

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

Mans posted:

how do homing torpedoes work in this time period by the way?

Basically, the torpedo has a small array of hydrophones in the nose and a simple device to turn the control surfaces in the direction of the strongest signal. The torpedo relies on passive acoustic homing, meaning it tends to zero in on the fast—and therefore noisy—screws of escorts. That's why you see so many destroyers and frigates in these reports.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Poor Bettys.



We continue to spar off Rabaul.






And that's another year done!

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

Basically, the torpedo has a small array of hydrophones in the nose and a simple device to turn the control surfaces in the direction of the strongest signal. The torpedo relies on passive acoustic homing, meaning it tends to zero in on the fast—and therefore noisy—screws of escorts. That's why you see so many destroyers and frigates in these reports.

That's why one of the attempts at submarine countermeasures during WWII was the acoustic decoy. The British version was "Foxer", the Canadian was "CAT", and the US version was "Fanfare". they were towed a few hundred meters behind the ship, and they were just devices intended to make as much noise as possible, in the hopes that it would confuse the torpedo and make the torpedo home on it instead until the torpedo ran out of fuel.

As a way to counter things like that, later torpedoes, starting in the 60s, supplemented their acoustic and sonar homing with wire guidance, which you still find with modern torpedoes. The torpedo, when fired, is attached by a wire to the ship that fired it. That lets the ship manually override and steer the torpedo itself, so long as the wire is still attached.

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
not quite, the 'Lerche' torpedo was an experimental active, wire-guided weapon, but never quite worked as intended. Furthermore, wire-guided weapons were sometimes used from fixed torpedo-emplacedments on the shore and guided via optical tracking.

A simple control circuit merely requires an op-amp to guide an torpedo towards the loudest source of noise.

https://hackaday.com/2014/03/28/a-mini-op-amp-based-line-following-robot/

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

7 December 1944

Kamikaze attacks in Ormoc Bay claim the destroyer USS Mahan and fast transport USS Ward. In an ironic twist, exactly three years earlier Ward—then still configured as a destroyer—had fired the opening shots at Pearl Harbor while engaging a Japanese midget submarine attempting to enter the anchorage. Just north of Leyte, another fast transport, the Japanese T-11, was sunk by US land-based aircraft.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Our ships are out hunting.






Down goes a Superfortress.






Some quiet days.



Tanker.

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

A Superfortress getting downed by Japanese flak has got to be the perfect metaphor for how the war has been going for the Allies so far.

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth
Grey really needs to get some better planes or pilots or something

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

McNally posted:

Acoustic homing, I think. Attracted to the noise of the engines/screws.

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

Basically, the torpedo has a small array of hydrophones in the nose and a simple device to turn the control surfaces in the direction of the strongest signal. The torpedo relies on passive acoustic homing, meaning it tends to zero in on the fast—and therefore noisy—screws of escorts. That's why you see so many destroyers and frigates in these reports.

That's really interesting, thanks!

Is it me or are the Allies really quiet right now? Outside of air raids I don't think there's a single offensive anywhere.

Shouldn't the brits be pushing in the continent by now?

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






I'm just dropping some more supplies off here.



We've not had a sniper hit in a while!






Another superfortress bites the dust.






The guys in Hong Kong are getting good at shootng down Superforts!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
How are the Japanese planes downing Superforts? I didn't think they could /fly/ that high. Still nice. guess you might want to send some of your extra Tojos to Hong Kong if the USAAF is goint to be sending in wheedly amounts of strategic bombers.

Dreamsicle
Oct 16, 2013

wedgekree posted:

How are the Japanese planes downing Superforts? I didn't think they could /fly/ that high. Still nice. guess you might want to send some of your extra Tojos to Hong Kong if the USAAF is goint to be sending in wheedly amounts of strategic bombers.

Based on the screenshot it looks like the Superforts are flyinh at 14000 ft.

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

Yeah, for whatever insane reason the AI seems to mostly be flying them below 15,000ft, which is well within the effective interception altitude of Japanese aircraft.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
So the superforts are being sent at Hong Kong in groups of 4-12 at low heights and without escort.

... Sure why not

Is it worth it then to base a couple more Tojo squadrons there if you're going to be phasing them out then Grye just to get some easy kills and points?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

wedgekree posted:

How are the Japanese planes downing Superforts? I didn't think they could /fly/ that high. Still nice. guess you might want to send some of your extra Tojos to Hong Kong if the USAAF is goint to be sending in wheedly amounts of strategic bombers.

Superforts were able to do what they did historically because they flew at 10k feet at night

Before they did that, they flew at like 30k feet (maybe higher?) in the day, which was outside the reach of IJ aircraft and flak, but resulted in bad bombing accuracy, especially when they discovered that that was where the jet stream started

Curtis Le May correctly predicted that A. the IJ didn't have effective night fighters, and that they didn't have any effective flak at the 10k range band.

The AI isn't doing this, which is why Grey is so much more successful.

pthighs
Jun 21, 2013

Pillbug
Yeah, you get much above 15K in this game with level bombers and your accuracy becomes terrible.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Can we get a map of the real life battle lines overlaid with Grey's map as of December 7th 1944? I know the difference is drastic, especially in China, but the gods eye view would be really helpful.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






I pick off another troop convoy.



Then they move on to some cargo ships.



Kittyhawks are easy prey.






I do love my surface raiders. The carriers are one more resupply from being back up to strength.



He he he.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
You didn’t just kill a troop convoy. That AGC is an amphibious command ship. The allies get like five of them, and they provide huge bonuses to amphibious assault when coupled with an amphibious force headquarters (which may well be on board, and which are also limited). Well done.

Velius fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Dec 10, 2018

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Japanese surface raiders are alive and well going into 1945 :allears:

Do they get any substantial refits that would increase their effectiveness like radar and better (by Japanese standards) flak?

Reuben Sandwich
Jan 27, 2007

Velius posted:

You didn’t just kill a troop convoy. That AGC is an amphibious command ship. The allies get like five of them, and they provide huge bonuses to amphibious assault when coupled with an amphibious force headquarters (which may well be on board, and which are also limited). Well done.
IIRC, that is the 2nd or 3rd one GH sunk.

Bold Robot
Jan 6, 2009

Be brave.



I think the Allies get maybe a dozen AGCs, but either way, a very good kill. The two AKAs (attack transports, extremely good for amphibious landings) are also a nice get.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013

Bold Robot posted:

I think the Allies get maybe a dozen AGCs, but either way, a very good kill. The two AKAs (attack transports, extremely good for amphibious landings) are also a nice get.

It lets the Allies land their base forces faster, stronger, more alive.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Reuben Sandwich posted:

IIRC, that is the 2nd or 3rd one GH sunk.

pre:
AGC Appalachian		USA	C2-S Blue Ridge-class Command Ship	Damaged: HF, HD
AGC Blue Ridge		USA	C2-S Blue Ridge-class Command Ship	Sunk			
AGC Mount Olympus	USA	C2-S Blue Ridge-class Command Ship	Damaged: HF, HD	
AGC Rocky Mount       	USA	C2-S Blue Ridge-class Command Ship	Damaged: HF, HD	
AGC Wasatch							                  Damaged: HF, HD

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Dec 11, 2018

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Jackpot! There are to many ships for my cruisers to sink each on individually, but some of these are going down!






We have a good days bombing here.






Disaster strikes as a mixed force of Allied carriers hits one of my troop convoys! This is a massacre, but thankfully a rare one!



The afternoon strike finishes the job – this may be my worse losses of the war so far! Also first sightings of the Avenger II's.






I'm not going to sugar coat it, that's 25,000 men lost, a whole division plus several support groups on their way to Manus. This is a hit. That said, its not weakened any defences, just cost lives – and points. Two whole ships survived in that task force.

I've ordered the second task force to redirect. Lets hope they don't get hit!



That said, we're only down 78 points.

For today.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


What the gently caress

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
... Quiet days spent rearming are over.

... Also shouldn't you like evacuate Manus at this point Grey? That was like half your shipping and JEEBUS.

Loezi
Dec 18, 2012

Never buy the cheap stuff
That sure was a roller coaster of an update :eyepop:

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


wedgekree posted:

... Quiet days spent rearming are over.

... Also shouldn't you like evacuate Manus at this point Grey? That was like half your shipping and JEEBUS.

Yeah, the AI can take the losses but Grey can't.

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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

25,000 men and 500 artillery pieces.

OW.

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