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I don't read the indie thread, but aside from American Dracula getting mad about The Ray being gay people are way less bitchy to each other in the DC thread.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:09
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To be fair, DC hasn't really ever changed a major character's race/gender/sexual orientation for anything other than a relatively short story. The closest that's happened is having a black Green Lantern, and even he wasn't the only one running around at any point, I don't believe. Minor characters, sure, but even those are pretty uncommon.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:29
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Endless Mike posted:To be fair, DC hasn't really ever changed a major character's race/gender/sexual orientation for anything other than a relatively short story. The closest that's happened is having a black Green Lantern, and even he wasn't the only one running around at any point, I don't believe. I might be wrong, but I think Alan Scott is gay in New 52.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:31
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fadam posted:I might be wrong, but I think Alan Scott is gay in New 52. This upset the millions of Alan Scott diehard fans out there.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:35
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Endless Mike posted:To be fair, DC hasn't really ever changed a major character's race/gender/sexual orientation for anything other than a relatively short story. The closest that's happened is having a black Green Lantern, and even he wasn't the only one running around at any point, I don't believe. No the main difference between DC and Marvel is DC doesn't get 80 articles dick sucking them for everything they do and their writers aren't on twitter throwing their poo poo around the room screaming like a bunch of howler monkeys.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:36
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Rhyno posted:Barbara Gordon just had a series run 53 issues. It would have been more if they hadn't renumbered for Rebirth. I was thinking more from the perspective of "a legacy minority hero taking up a substantially more iconic predecessor's superhero identity". Granted, the Bat-branding and nobody being Batgirl for a while before that did help a lot.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:45
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Y'all got short memories about the DC thread pre, like, DCYou era.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:47
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Onmi posted:No the main difference between DC and Marvel is DC doesn't get 80 articles dick sucking them for everything they do and their writers aren't on twitter throwing their poo poo around the room screaming like a bunch of howler monkeys. I unfollowed him a while ago, but there was a few weeks right after Trump got elected where every other Mark Waid tweet I saw was him arguing with some 12 year old with a Pepe avatar.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:51
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The actual difference is that DC doesn't have a highly controversial ongoing event comic right now. I also have no idea who the gently caress goes into The Wicked + The Divine, Chew, and I Hate Fairyland with the same expectations as a 60+ year giant of the industry that has produced hundreds of beloved characters and stories. But just out of pure spite for everybody defending Secret Empire on a weekly basis I could always bring up in the DC thread all of my complaints about anything even vaguely social justice related such as: Cassandra Cain not being Batgirl, Barbara Gordon not being disabled, Damien being white washed in Teen Titans and having his POC friends erased for cheap drama, the meta treatment of Wally II as having been a mistake that only bringing back the real, white Wally West will solve, the continued employment of Scott Lobdell after having sexually harassed somebody at a con, and I'm sure I can think of more as the weeks pass by.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:53
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Roth posted:The actual difference is that DC doesn't have a highly controversial ongoing event comic right now. lmao yea we definitely need that "The Discourse" comic thread asap.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:54
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fadam posted:I unfollowed him a while ago, but there was a few weeks right after Trump got elected where every other Mark Waid tweet I saw was him arguing with some 12 year old with a Pepe avatar. My favorite Mark Waid story was how he acted like a literal man baby when he worked for some old company. Because the phone didn't always work, so someone came in on him rolling around on the floor slamming the phone against it and screaming.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:58
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fadam posted:I might be wrong, but I think Alan Scott is gay in New 52. Onmi posted:No the main difference between DC and Marvel is DC doesn't get 80 articles dick sucking them for everything they do and their writers aren't on twitter throwing their poo poo around the room screaming like a bunch of howler monkeys. And to be clear, we weren't really talking about changing a major character's race/gender/sexual orientation, here. We were talking more about Marvel's focus changing from the older white male headliners to less white, less male, possibly newer characters lately and all the ramifications of that. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Jul 10, 2017 04:58
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Clawtopsy posted:can there be like a 'diversity in comics thread' to take this constant establishment of hills to die on I've been pitching a Deadpool Kills Diversity series to Marvel for MONTHS.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:00
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fadam posted:lmao yea we definitely need that "The Discourse" comic thread asap. Yeah guys, please only post about the Marvel comic books if you liked it.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:00
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Roth posted:Yeah guys, please only post about the Marvel comic books if you liked it. You literally said that if people didn't stop defending a comic you like you'd roll into an other thread and start complaining. You're trying to weaponize being a crybaby.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:03
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fadam posted:lmao yea we definitely need that "The Discourse" comic thread asap. You could just stop reading and posting in this thread if you hate people talking about the content of the comics so much.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:05
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I just want an entire new thread to enjoy.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:08
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fadam posted:You literally said that if people didn't stop defending a comic you like you'd roll into an other thread and start complaining. You're trying to weaponize being a crybaby. At this point I'm amazed you took that at face value, and not me pointing out that I have plenty of issues with DC in an over the top manner. You see, the point is that the problems with Marvel right now are an ongoing thing with new things to complain about each week along with people like you crying about the fact that people don't like it. Whereas nothing's really changing at DC to really change the content of my complaints significantly. It would just be me making the same exact post every week.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:09
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Roth posted:At this point I'm amazed you took that at face value, and not me pointing out that I have plenty of issues with DC in an over the top manner. You see, the point is that the problems with Marvel right now are an ongoing thing with new things to complain about each week along with people like you crying about the fact that people don't like it. Whereas nothing's really changing at DC to really change the content of my complaints significantly. It would just be me making the same exact post every week.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:14
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Sorry for believing that totally believable thing you said.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:17
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I like how well we all get along.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:18
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fadam posted:Sorry for believing that totally believable thing you said. I mean if it makes you feel any better, I always immediately feel bad for getting unnecessarily heated in these threads like that. And I would honestly enjoy a thread that's all about discussing these kinds of topics, just not as some dumb containment thread. Rhyno posted:I like how well we all get along. I hate you. Onmi posted:
Well, they'd be like yours, but saying "gently caress Marvel" every post for different reasons.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:23
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Roth posted:Well, they'd be like yours, but saying "gently caress Marvel" every post for different reasons. Ha! Well played, I was trying to figure out how to tie that in there myself but I couldn't work it.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:27
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The important thing is that regardless of whether or you think it glorifies Nazism, or because its another bad marvel event that's consuming other better books, or because it's poorly written, or because Nick Spencer is a loser, we can all agree Secret Empire stinks.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:27
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Onmi posted:No the main difference between DC and Marvel is DC doesn't get 80 articles dick sucking them for everything they do and their writers aren't on twitter throwing their poo poo around the room screaming like a bunch of howler monkeys. The whole narrative of everything needing to be THE BEST AND EVERYTHING, SO MUCH WIN vs. GARBAGE FIRE is really in play here, every piece of content has relentless cheerleaders but for the past few years Everything Marvel Does Is poo poo Made By poo poo For poo poo and DC has had upwards of 14 months of not loving up a lot, and now DC is doing everything well and Marvel is doing everything wrong and five years ago somehow magically it was the complete opposite. I wonder how many of these goofy crossover books DC is doing would have been immediately written off as Stupid Pieces of poo poo loving Things Up Like Stupid Assholes if Batman vs. Elmer Fudd or Harley & Ivy & Betty & Veronica were announced in 2013 when Everything At DC Sucked. Onmi posted:My favorite Mark Waid story was how he acted like a literal man baby when he worked for some old company. Because the phone didn't always work, so someone came in on him rolling around on the floor slamming the phone against it and screaming.
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Jul 10, 2017 13:30
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Endless Mike posted:To be fair, DC hasn't really ever changed a major character's race/gender/sexual orientation for anything other than a relatively short story. The closest that's happened is having a black Green Lantern, and even he wasn't the only one running around at any point, I don't believe. There was Wally West before they walked it back really hard.
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Jul 10, 2017 13:34
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DC has had all of these same problems at one point or another and then some. The major difference is that they've had a successful push lately to distance themselves from past mistakes, and that their controversies tend to come only after a minority legacy character get's killed off or sidelined in favor of the bland white original.
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Jul 10, 2017 19:10
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Edge & Christian posted:The whole narrative of everything needing to be THE BEST AND EVERYTHING, SO MUCH WIN vs. GARBAGE FIRE is really in play here... This is pretty much where I am. Modern Marvel has some significant problems, which can be readily explained by Permutter plus understaffed editorial plus talent drain to the indies, but it was barely a year ago that we were all raking DC over the coals for still employing both Scott Lobdell and Eddie Berganza, the Sexual Harrassment Wonder Twins. Which it still is. DC's managed to clean its act up a bit by putting a pin in the big events and keeping their books nice and stable with solid creative teams, plus there's at least as much of a quiet diversity initiative going on there as there is in Marvel, but they aren't really publicizing it. They just remembered how to be really basically competent at their jobs, rather than the Didio/Johns era of continuity amputee porn. At the same time, Marvel has a dozen perfectly good books coming out every month. We're just sick of events and Nick Spencer.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:20
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DC also has Batman who no matter how lovely he is, people will still buy in droves, and woe to anyone who criticizes anything Batman related that isn't Schumacher related.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:22
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twistedmentat posted:DC also has Batman who no matter how lovely he is, people will still buy in droves, and woe to anyone who criticizes anything Batman related that isn't Schumacher related. Have most people come round on Batman '66 or does it still get slagged off these days?
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Jul 10, 2017 21:24
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Wheat Loaf posted:Have most people come round on Batman '66 or does it still get slagged off these days? People have came around on it very hard, especially in the wake of Adam West passing but even before then it was a combination of camp-love and genuine-love.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:28
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Batman '66 is the greatest comic book related media ever created and if you think differently you are wrong.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:31
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Wheat Loaf posted:Have most people come round on Batman '66 or does it still get slagged off these days? For at least the last 5 maybe 10 years Batman 66 has been seen as a great camp classic that is a lot of fun and while it isn't all serious "I am the night" batman, its can be enjoyed. Marvel lacks a character that has as unconditional love as Batman.
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twistedmentat posted:For at least the last 5 maybe 10 years Batman 66 has been seen as a great camp classic that is a lot of fun and while it isn't all serious "I am the night" batman, its can be enjoyed. Spider-man.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:38
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Is Squirrel Girl still 14 in the comics? they just announced a 30 year old is playing her
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Jul 10, 2017 21:44
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She's a freshman in college, so she's at least 18.
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Endless Mike posted:She's a freshman in college, so she's at least 18. Sophomore now I think.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:47
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I believe she's currently 20 in the comics.
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X-O posted:I believe she's currently 20 in the comics. Yes. There was a comic issue which was specifically about her birthday. But those specifics probably don't matter to the show. She will probably be late teen, early twenties. By the way, I just saw the preview for the Squirrel Girl comic which gets released this week. It's shaping up to be quite good. I think there might be a slight possibility that Ryan North might has some appreciation for dinosaurs. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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