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Feels Villeneuve posted:the casinos in the first four pokemon games with the prize center next door were a reference to this too iirc. until they dropped them, i think because ratings agencies got more leery at depicting gambling in kids games Gambling bad, gatcha good.
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ZearothK posted:drat, I had no idea this even existed and looks like 100% my poo poo, thanks! Going to add it to the wishlist. the very earliest rpgs are more little experiments with what a computer rpg even is, attempts to digitalize tabletop roleplaying games and explore how stat systems can affect other genres. your ultimas, wizardrys, dragon slayers and hydlides couldn't be much bigger than they were because nobody knew what the hell a computer rpg actually was yet, and most length in games in general at the time was achieved through filling your game with cryptic bullshit someone would have to learn across several hours of play. it's only around the late 80s that popular conceptions of the genre really start to solidify, with ultima and wizardry hitting some of their most beloved entries, games like dragon quest, ys, the black onyx, super hydlide, zelda, star cruiser, final fantasy, if you can think of a classic 80s rpg that felt weirdly ahead of its time and is still easy enough to go back to, odds are it came out around 85-89. from here it just kept getting bigger and with that stronger understanding of the fundamentals, as well as better hardware, rpgs only got bigger throughout the 90s, super famicom and some early computer rpgs from that era might seem short now but they were gargantuan compared to what had come before. and there's a pretty natural reason for that. rpgs take after tabletop games and fantasy novels, on a more basic level, they're about conveying a sense of adventure, and the basic leveling progression systems lend to a sense of longer-form progression. simpler action rpgs like ys and zelda stayed on the shorter end for a while, their structures and mechanics were better tailored for providing a more compact, action-heavy experience. but with the games that took more influence from wizardry and ultima, games already featuring party mechanics, the natural next step after making bigger and better versions of those games is what you can do with parties. this is arguably where japanese and western rpgs really branch off for a while, though all in all i wouldn't say by too much. western rpgs as a whole ended up sticking a bit closer to ultima and wizardry's conception, parties as either something player-created or as additional characters you meet along your journey who vary in terms of relevance and can often be switched in and out freely, characters who matter and aid the player but are largely contextualized by their relationship with the player, rather than by their own agency as characters. dq and ff had player created parties at the very start, but quickly shifted into thinking about what they could do with preset parties with defined characteristics and relationships. as rpgs get bigger and bigger in general here, artificial length via grinding and cryptic game mechanics doesn't entirely go away, but it's heavily supplemented with just how much more stuff you can fit in a game now, and how much more developers come to understand they could be doing with that space. more, bigger areas, more characters, more dialog, more music, more experimentation with basic structure and mechanics. it's only natural games would start getting massive, as developers realize it's possible to make truly long-form stories taking after their favorite books, shows, manga, anime, the length of the adventure is a consequence of just how much you can pack in now. final fantasy starts to truly embrace the idea of massive storylines enveloping a whole variety of people partying up together to take on something bigger than them, ultima's scale and depth of its world has arguably hit its apex, new players like king's field and these weird bethesda guys with their elder scrolls arena thing come in to add to the also growing pile of bigger and more complex dungeon crawlers that yet still place stronger emphasis on their narrative, square starts making an absolute fuckton of rpgs outside of ff and even dragon quest is achieving a stronger sense of narrative depth and build up. even dragon slayer has evolved from the beginnings of the action rpg (after successfully ripping off cavern of freitag), to weird experimental side scrolling rpgs you might initially judge as zelda 2 clones, to falcom's very own turn based rpg series, the legend of heroes, starting out as a basic dragon quest clone but quickly deciding to spice things up in the sequel by having its sword and board fantasy boys murder a bunch of alien astronauts in a cave for some reason. we never got that one in english but we did get a comically bad english dub of the legend of heroes 1 with trademark pc engine cd english dub uneven mic quality and audio peaking. come the late 90s and everyone's figured out the basics of it all. now they just want to make it even bigger, realize things they couldn't do before. so yeah, throughout 95-99, rpgs get utterly loving massive as they've now fully evolved from weird little experiments into utter juggernauts of games providing experiences impossible to find in any other genre. this goes for both computer rpgs and console ones, at slightly different rates. small rpgs never fully go away but the real big names keep being big because that's what they always wanted to be. it's arguably what rpgs were always trying to be, it just took them a while to figure it out and get the proper hardware for it. 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Colonel this game seemed up your alley give your Tokimeki love and Persona criticisms: https://www.rpgfan.com/review/hush-hush-only-your-love-can-save-them/
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Junpei posted:Colonel this game seemed up your alley give your Tokimeki love and Persona criticisms: https://www.rpgfan.com/review/hush-hush-only-your-love-can-save-them/
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Persona 5 Tactica looks, uh, not super great, visually.
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i have fond memorys of this game because I turned 17 years old like the week before it came out so it was the first mature rated game I bought legally
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Colonel this game seemed up your alley give your Tokimeki love and Persona criticisms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQx2qnsuOl4
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We also got a look at P5T https://twitter.com/Spoopy06/status/1666938295824142337
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Colonel this game seemed up your alley give your Tokimeki love and Persona criticisms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmzKWW02Nw8
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kirbysuperstar posted:no femc lol lol, classic
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sorry everyone. dont have time for any of these. too busy playing jewel bem hunter lime with paint maker
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why would they not have the fem mc wtc
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Rascyc posted:why would they not have the fem mc wtc
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somene tell me about this lady in the suit that i saw in the final fantasy trailer at the summer game fest thing, she looks cool
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Snooze Cruise posted:somene tell me about this lady in the suit that i saw in the final fantasy trailer at the summer game fest thing, she looks cool elena, the faildaughter of shinra’s black ops division
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I hope 7R includes all those Turks from the first ff7 mobile game that never got translated.
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Snooze Cruise posted:somene tell me about this lady in the suit that i saw in the final fantasy trailer at the summer game fest thing, she looks cool reno (red hair) is a slacker, rude (bald) tries to play cool but is a softie especially when it comes to women elena (blonde) is the newbie that tries to get them to actually take their job seriously
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I hope 7R includes all those Turks from the first ff7 mobile game that never got translated. cissnei from crisis core first appeared in that. she'll probably show up somewhere, shes decently popular. of the other characters from that game legend has a shot, since he was one of the leaders of the wutai invasion 
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Oxxidation posted:elena, the faildaughter of shinra’s black ops division ok she is now my favorite ff7 character and best friend SyntheticPolygon posted:Snooze cruise has not played FF7 smh. i have it ready to go on my computer with the english voice acting fan mod, it will be the next rpg i play after i finish up star rails story 🫡
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w... why with the english va mod...
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The Colonel posted:w... why with the english va mod... i figured it would be the most funny way to play the game for the first time and it would annoy people in this thread
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Endorph posted:cissnei from crisis core first appeared in that. she'll probably show up somewhere, shes decently popular. 2 of them is ok but there's like 10 turks in that game from what I remember and I think all of them should show up because I like their designs.
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Endorph posted:the turks are the miniboss squad in ff7, they all wear suits She's also really bad at it
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kirbysuperstar posted:no femc lol Hope this means The Answer is included then 
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if I had to guess it'll have the added content to the question but not the answer itself
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Srice posted:Hope this means The Answer is included then Based on every leaker, no. Thats right, they remade just the base game.
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Dang. Boo to that!
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Gonna go to Atlus headquarters and confuse them all by demanding an Answer.
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Gotta keep something out of the remake so you can include it in the rerelease you put out a year and a half later
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Base game and no femc sounds about right for modern Persona!
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TurnipFritter posted:Gotta keep something out of the remake so you can include it in the rerelease you put out a year and a half later This is my unironic belief of what they are doing
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Snooze Cruise posted:ok she is now my favorite ff7 character and best friend tbh it's a good choice. It doesn't always land, but they did a surprisingly good job The NPCs are insanely silly cause it's just people from the discord that volunteered which also owns but for a different reason Snooze Cruise posted:Colonel this game seemed up your alley give your Tokimeki love and Persona criticisms I've been kinda excited about giving eternights a try since I first saw it like, over a year ago. It looks like a good combination of insanely cheesy combined with Tokimeki minigames/stat stuff with a decent looking beat-em up level loop and I'm here for it. Somehow the VA manages to sound like an English anime dub despite being the original voice track which is very funny to me, in a good way iirc the dev got actually pretty accomplished actors for the Japanese dub? Edit: though, it's entirely possible it'll turn out to be an insane disaster Weird Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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wild to think that a couple years ago any persona on PC was a pipe dream, let alone remakes. i thought i'd have bloodborne on PC before ever playing P5 now look what we have
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Snooze Cruise posted:Oh, I honestly thought the Eternights trailer looked dire... It looks like a trainwreck yeah, but in a potentially fun way  https://twitter.com/ScrambledFaz/status/1666935792403468288 I don't think this got posted upthread, but sorry if I missed it. Kind of crazy how many SRPGs in general are coming out/have come out this year, feels like there's been a huge resurgence in the genre as a whole Weird Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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Weird Pumpkin posted:It looks like a trainwreck yeah, but in a potentially fun way well better for you to be right then me 🫡 hmm if only we had a thread title that represented the fact that we were in the year of the srpg 2
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