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There was no putting of eggs in one basket, they ordered three vaccines in bulk and a lower amount of Pfizer as an alternative. It's just that of the three main ones, one failed trials and the other still hasn't been arrived. The problem isn't an inane conspiracy theory that they backed a non-profit, effective vaccine that we had the manufacturing capability to mass produce locally with the ulterior motive of enriching two minor back benchers who own CSL shares (that would be Dave Sharma and Tim Wilson) the problem is that they didn't pivot and pursue alternatives at any cost when it became apparent it would become necessary. Incompetent laziness, or apathy fueled by the 'success' of the hermit kingdom approach? Bad either way. Their bad communication with regards to AZ's issues magnified the problem, but that's not all on them since the media and Labor have been absolutely dreadful in consistently fueling AZ hesitancy themselves.
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Seemlar posted:There was no putting of eggs in one basket, they ordered three vaccines in bulk and a lower amount of Pfizer as an alternative. It's just that of the three main ones, one failed trials and the other still hasn't been arrived. I think a significant driver behind this was the global supply shortages of various materials that occurred at the start of the pandemic (and which are still occurring - it's why Pfizer's production is bottlenecked, and also why I'm likely to get a jab before I get a PS5.) In particular, our already low fuel reserves mean that more fuel than ever is imported and our national reserve is down to less than 30 days: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-22/coronavirus-oil-price-fuel-security/12170390 If another global disruption ever actually caused us to run out of petrol, even temporarily, it would make COVID lockdowns look like a picnic. With that kind of thing front of mind, it's not surprising that self sufficiency is back in vogue and the government focused on the vaccine Australia can manufacture locally. Especially since, as predicted, richer countries hoarded their own domestically-produced vaccines after all. The blood clot issue was unforeseen. If it wasn't for that we wouldn't have seen mass hesitancy and, since we now have AstraZeneca coming out our asses, our vaccination rate would be way higher. A far bigger mistake than picking AstraZeneca as our primary vaccine was letting the miniscule risk of blood clots influence the public health advice on which ages could get it. It makes perfect sense to say "right, under-50s get Pfizer, over-50s get AZ, that way there's enough for everyone" as long as you're some public health nerd who's never interacted with an Australian citizen, let alone an Australian boomer. quote:The problem isn't an inane conspiracy theory that they backed a non-profit, effective vaccine that we had the manufacturing capability to mass produce locally with the ulterior motive of enriching two minor back benchers who own CSL shares (that would be Dave Sharma and Tim Wilson) One of the dumbest conspiracy theories ever to gain traction in this country. Like CSL is some shady insider-dealing backroom stock pick rather than one of the biggest loving bluechips on the ASX. edit - just checked and it's the third-highest on the ASX by market cap and the highest share price that's not an index fund. What nefarious insider trading must that shonky Dave Sharma have committed to realise he should buy it!!! freebooter fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Aug 8, 2021 |
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Morrison was marketing it the entire time as the Oxford vaccine and giving it mad props then he had the other one so I'm all good not having the clot juice personally
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# ? Aug 8, 2021 13:51 |
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Everyone in Government either had a Rhodes scholarship or aspired to so no wonder they went for the Oxford one.
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# ? Aug 8, 2021 13:55 |
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JBP posted:Morrison was marketing it the entire time as the Oxford vaccine and giving it mad props then he had the other one so I'm all good not having the clot juice personally Was he? I remember this being a Boris Johnson thing. He had Pfizer first because that was what was approved by the TGA first, and because politicians getting whatever vaccine was first available to them was good leading-by-example back when it was thought we'd have a vaccine hesitancy issue rather than a specific brand hesitancy issue. I personally could care less about the virtually nonexistent risk of getting clots (I ride a motorbike, drink way too much and stare at my phone while crossing the street!) but Pfizer is a solid 20% more effective than AZ at preventing symptomatic illness, and if my own getting of a vaccine is going to be part of the contributing percentage towards an arbitrary threshold to the exciting new world of Let Er Rip, then I want the most effective one.
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# ? Aug 8, 2021 13:58 |
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freebooter posted:I think a significant driver behind this was the global supply shortages of various materials that occurred at the start of the pandemic (and which are still occurring - it's why Pfizer's production is bottlenecked, and also why I'm likely to get a jab before I get a PS5.) In particular, our already low fuel reserves mean that more fuel than ever is imported and our national reserve is down to less than 30 days: Lol you thicko we have a strategic fuel reserve stored in a cave in Texas
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# ? Aug 8, 2021 13:59 |
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I mean also... ATAGI. It's not just political reasons or crazy antivax conspiracy theorists causing "hesitation". That's buying into the NSW and federal narrative of "oh wouldn't it be easier if more people just got vaccinated" when swathes of people simply can't based on ATAGI advice. indeed it seems ATAGI is being over ruled by the fumbling policies of NSW and it's national consequences. I'm in Victoria and despite my body being a collection of scars and golden staph will seek out AZ since I just want this poo poo done. But what a loving farce.
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# ? Aug 8, 2021 14:01 |
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freebooter posted:Was he? I remember this being a Boris Johnson thing. The Oxford vaccine was the one getting all the tv and the word Oxford was being used to instill a sense of it being the best in the world. All I heard was made in Australia from British parts and went no thanks. I also remember it being quite odd that he had Pfizer at the time and not az because I am an average punter that doesn't know poo poo about approvals and things. Also I don't care about the clots that's all bullshit I just want the better product even if it's 1% different.
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Yeah of course he was they built a factory to cook it in and everything, it was a big investment
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JBP posted:The Oxford vaccine was the one getting all the tv and the word Oxford was being used to instill a sense of it being the best in the world. All I heard was made in Australia from British parts and went no thanks. I also remember it being quite odd that he had Pfizer at the time and not az because I am an average punter that doesn't know poo poo about approvals and things.
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# ? Aug 8, 2021 14:57 |
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RC Bandit posted:Ok I'm starting to get annoyed that our government can't get their poo poo together as I'm STILL ineligible to get a vaccine (in Victoria). Eediot Jedi posted:Victorians 18-39 will be able to get AZ from some of the mass vax sites from Monday. I should complain more often.
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RC Bandit posted:Ok I'm starting to get annoyed that our government can't get their poo poo together as I'm STILL ineligible to get a vaccine (in Victoria). The booking system will now let you book if you select age as your criteria even if you’re 18-39 Good luck navigating the booking system lol (If you’re in the southeast, Sandown Racecourse in Springvale is the only one I’ve come across that has a good number of bookings before September Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Aug 8, 2021 |
# ? Aug 8, 2021 21:26 |
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Yeah the DHHS website is a loving terrible experience, real early 2000s flashbacks. It took them like a year to even integrate a map of the latest contact sites instead of a big long list (and it also took them forever to make that list sortable by "latest added first"). The vaccine booking section is not much better.The Peccadillo posted:Yeah of course he was they built a factory to cook it in and everything, it was a big investment We did not build the CSL plant for the AZ vaccine.
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# ? Aug 8, 2021 23:10 |
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Anyone able to find a copy of that photo of the Border Farce billboard telling people Australia isn't safe on a bombed out street?
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 00:27 |
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kirbysuperstar posted:nbn.txt Hey, to be fair it's absolute pie in the sky fantasy to think Australia could ever need the infrastructure to support much of the population doing their work, schooling, and health consults from home. Like we'll ever see the need for that!
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 00:48 |
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RC Bandit posted:I should complain more often. You should have been eligible before if you ticked the box that says you're willing to clott for scott, but it was only available at gp clinics. Gonna get it myself later in the week.
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 01:42 |
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I booked in for the poison juice for 2 weeks time, would have done sooner but still getting over this secondary chest infection from a flu and I figure you’re supposed to be in decent health before you get murdered by CSL for science
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 01:52 |
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The lovely part is the pure politics of the whole thing. Sure vaccines will have issues, particularly ones developed rapidly or using new technology such as mRNA. But we’ve had “gold standards” vs “unnecessary lockdowns”, “Dictator Dan”. Or Morrison’s mission accomplished style announcements about securing vaccine supply when he hadn’t. Or it isn’t a race. The mixed messaging on essential workers. Blaming ATAGI. Blaming under 40s for non-compliance with lockdowns but not providing financial support. Criticising vaccine hesitancy by groups ineligible to get a vaccine until recently or unable to get an appointment.
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 02:11 |
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SM(d)H posted:We’re being held hostage, and Morrison should set a date for freedom / EDIT: gently caress this loving arsehole, the second he gets the vaccine he's crying about how unfair it is that he's not allowed to travel and spray covid over all the unvaccinated people who haven't even had the loving OPPORTUNITY to get vaccinated. Not all of this article is bullshit, but gently caress me the loving whining and entitlement. hooman fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Aug 9, 2021 |
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Re. NSW Business Assistance... I'm still not sure why the one-off business grant is only available for 30% + decline in the specific period of June 26 -July 17th compared to that period in 2019. Didn't they force construction and the majority of businesses to close AFTER the 17th of July?? The lock down was extended even further weeks after those dates. More to the point - small businesses will only do the right thing until they can't afford to. Covering a percentage of wages helps a lot but there's ongoing rent etc. Doubt a lot of them will stay closed if pushed too far. Halo14 fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Aug 9, 2021 |
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hooman posted:
Same question I always pose to people who say these things: Which other country should we be replicating? If there is an approach that works without lockdowns, before widespread vaccination, point to it as what we should do.
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Halo14 posted:Re. NSW Business Assistance... it's because they don't want to give people money. I'm applying for the micro business grant and it's blatantly obvious that they're doing everything they can to push people onto the federal disaster payment instead, including sending out an email halting all the applications until they respond to the question "are you really sure you want this instead of the disaster payment?" the entire process has been a nightmare, I'm assuming by design, and there is still no clear end date to the drudgery, and even the people processing the applications can't tell me if it's backdated and to what date
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 02:32 |
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Oh poo poo regional vic open from 11:59 tonight. Unexpected.
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Senor Tron posted:Same question I always pose to people who say these things: comments posted:Tim Richardson At least the majority of comments are loving slamming this garbage.
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Eediot Jedi posted:Oh poo poo regional vic open from 11:59 tonight. Unexpected. Oh really?! Huzzah, gently caress it I'm getting some snow this weekend then...
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 02:52 |
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It’s a good thing that the infection vectors have generally magically teleported from the NSW border to metro Melbourne previously
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Solemn Sloth posted:Anyone able to find a copy of that photo of the Border Farce billboard telling people Australia isn't safe on a bombed out street? i dont wanna post it, google "quetta australia billboard"
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Solemn Sloth posted:It’s a good thing that the infection vectors have generally magically teleported from the NSW border to metro Melbourne previously Yeah I don't really agree with this one. All today's cases are at least linked to previous ones but were out in the community, and they believe there are unknown cases in Melb too. Feels like hubris.
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 03:18 |
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hooman posted:Yet it is persistently popular – and the goal of “zero” has led to a shifting of the goalposts many times. We locked down to flatten the curve and prepare our hospitals, not knowing if we would ever get an effective vaccine. But the world’s scientists delivered in spades. First the aim was to protect the vulnerable, then to protect all adults; now we are talking about vaccinating children. We’ve also ordered booster shots, and zero-COVID advocates may yet demand those are administered before we open up. This idea that it was "shifting the goalposts" to have an elimination policy after the handful of weeks where we talked about "flattening the curve" is such loving bullshit. The US and the UK flattened the curve, was it smooth loving sailing after that?
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Senor Tron posted:Same question I always pose to people who say these things: There's stil a few faded "Sweden Was Right" graffiti stickers I've found around Prahran and South Yarra here in Melbourne lol
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 03:48 |
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Article and the posted comments are just "Let other people die for my convenience".
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 03:50 |
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hooman posted:
The assumption here is that if everyone has done the right thing then we'd all have 110% vaccination rates and our nation's concerts, pool parties and orgies could resume. What this article fails to grapple with is that the slow vaccine adoption is mostly up to the lack of supply coupled with the confusing and contradictory messaging about who gets what supply. Even if everyone acted exactly how the writer wants, access to the vaccine has been limited to a significant section of the population; we would all end up in lockdown again anyway. Of course, that would require fault aimed at the government, and we can't actually do anything about that. Do you think people are willing to protest about a vaccine when the virus is still in the streets? It's much easier to browbeat people who haven't yet got the jab, just don't think about why that might be the case.
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lmao at the CSL insider trading conspiracy. That poo poo might hold water if it was some sketchy penny stock biopharma that got the contract instead of one of the largest companies in the country. Covid vaccines probably aren't even a material source of revenue for them. Anyway, has anyone made a bug bunny.gif of NSW yet?
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 04:58 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:Anyone able to find a copy of that photo of the Border Farce billboard telling people Australia isn't safe on a bombed out street? Linked for blood and bodies https://i.imgur.com/I2BDiSD.jpg gay picnic defence posted:lmao at the CSL insider trading conspiracy. The insider trading idea's obviously bullshit. That sort of blatant corruption only works in the US. But if a bunch of LNP lollyheads don't end up on the CSR board after they leave politics I will be very surprised. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Aug 9, 2021 |
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Going quick but for any Adelaide goons who are under 40 and don't have a regular GP to chase up AZ with, a local clinic has an oversupply of Pfizer for their needs so is taking bookings for anyone over 18: https://healthengine.com.au/v2/appointment/book_widget/85669/COVID-19%20Vaccinations?covaxEligibilityChecked=true#about-practice Edit: to clarify this isn't taking anyone else's spot, coworker already confirmed with the clinic that they just have a bunch they need to use that might otherwise go out of date.
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hooman posted:
this was my favorite one. literally arguing that a 70yo is worth saving more than a 30yo. you can small the franking credits on it.
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 05:53 |
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Linked for blood and bodies SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:i dont wanna post it, google "quetta australia billboard" Thanks both, I didn't remember it as being quite so gruesome, don't think I'll use this as a comparison for Dan currently running ads in Sydney telling them not to come to Victoria after all.
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 06:27 |
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Byron Bay and surrounding areas to go into lockdown from 6pm tonight. Fucks sake Gladys, either do a ring of steel or do a proper lockdown, this isn't getting better
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 07:49 |
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People in Armidale/Tamworth/Byron/Newcastle/the Hunter must be fuming at Gladys about this right?
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freebooter posted:People in Armidale/Tamworth/Byron/Newcastle/the Hunter must be fuming at Gladys about this right? Yes
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