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Guavanaut posted:This was one of my biggest hates with Gove. I was taught history through the framework of source analysis, overcoming bias, and presenting an argument even at early level. These are things that serve kids well in later life even if they never again need to know the causes of the Industrial Revolution. I am sure I have mentioned before, but I just detest the idea that studying history is just learning 'what happened when' by rote as if knowing the exact date of the poor law or whatever by heart is in any way important. It's so loving teleological but I guess it's derived from the Whig tradition that dominated until quite recently. Probably explains why that's still the broadly held view of the discipline amongst the general public.
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Feb 1, 2015 19:16
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Learning by rote memorisation is how the roman education system worked, and even their upper strata of society realised that poo poo was retarded and hired more expensive private tutors to get a decent education. We don't wanna be like the romans - they're european for a start.
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Feb 1, 2015 19:24
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ThomasPaine posted:I am sure I have mentioned before, but I just detest the idea that studying history is just learning 'what happened when' by rote as if knowing the exact date of the poor law or whatever by heart is in any way important. It's so loving teleological but I guess it's derived from the Whig tradition that dominated until quite recently. Probably explains why that's still the broadly held view of the discipline amongst the general public. History as a subject also lends itself to the idea of 'oh poo poo I have so much content to get through, better talk at the students for 60 minutes and give them a list of things to copy down'. It is very easy to fall into didactic teaching with History.
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Feb 1, 2015 19:29
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Mister Adequate posted:All Guinness is rank. When things go wrong and will not come right, Though you do the best you can, When life looks black as the hour of night - you have probably just read a post by Mister Adequate
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Feb 1, 2015 19:57
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Rigged Death Trap posted:I know but it's more important to learn how maths works instead of a do this and this result comes up. Times tables (at least, up to the ten times table) are the most basic building blocks for any mental multiplication and there's absolutely nothing to teach about them except the results - there's only so many times you need to explain that 6x7 represents six lots of seven items. Also the other new Guinness (West Indies porter, I think?) I found a lot better.
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Feb 1, 2015 20:37
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StoneOfShame posted:I'm sorry but I dont really buy the criticism of Andrew Neil's questioning technique at all, he was exactly as he always is when he's interviewing someone who seems like they dont know what they're talking about. Seriously compare how he interviewed her to a lot of Paxman's interviews they pale in comparison. I was surprised by it because Andrew Neil's usually much friendlier to women from former British colonies. 
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Feb 1, 2015 21:01
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That photo has never stopped traumatising me.
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Feb 1, 2015 21:01
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Mister Adequate posted:All Guinness is rank. Normal Guinness is nothing to write home about but it's available pretty much anywhere and preferable to e.g. Carling.
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Feb 1, 2015 21:38
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ThomasPaine posted:I am sure I have mentioned before, but I just detest the idea that studying history is just learning 'what happened when' by rote as if knowing the exact date of the poor law or whatever by heart is in any way important. It's so loving teleological but I guess it's derived from the Whig tradition that dominated until quite recently. Probably explains why that's still the broadly held view of the discipline amongst the general public. I remember my Geography teacher in our first class at secondary school had this bit where he would ask us obscure geography factoids at random. Then he would hand out atlases and let us look up those the answers. He would then explain that memorising facts about nations' capitals or countries' area was pointless because we could just look it up and he aimed to teach us how to research things properly and the methods to work out what questions we needed to be asking. Which was pretty awesome. I remember him doing it several more times through my school career which dulled it slightly but, to be fair, it was a very good bit. Still though, you can see why a Tory would oppose people learning critical thinking skills.
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Feb 1, 2015 22:11
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Tories want to prepare the scum for success on the modern ladder of social mobility, winning money on trivia quiz shows
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Feb 1, 2015 22:20
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Memorizing lists is knowledge. Knowledge prepares you to be the next banker or MP. Wisdom means not voting Tory. It shows an amazing level of insight to be honest. The Tories know that people thinking about things is bad news. The Americans have realised this for much longer of course which is why they broke their schools decades ago.
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Feb 1, 2015 22:36
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Regarde Aduck posted:Wisdom means not voting Tory. A fact worth memorising.
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Feb 1, 2015 22:38
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DroneRiff posted:This pretty much sums up every view I hear about Kev Warwick as well (04-07 guy here too). Ahh the heady old days. Then we got a VC who looked like Kilroy and it all went down hill. We almost certainly have acquaintances in common, if we don't know each other. EE, Cyb or Com Sci?
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Feb 1, 2015 23:38
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1 to 10 I get, those are useful to know and get used. 11 and 12, I never really understood what they were good for apart from an indicator of "yeah, you've learnt a few things". Seems the first ten are good as a means to an ends, whereas any afterwards it just seems to be the end. And also easier to work out using the previous ones and sticking them together. Always just seemed kind of arbitrarily tacked on, those two. e: disclaimer, I still don't even know those two properly off by heart but I could work them out
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Feb 2, 2015 01:20
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Holdover from imperial, a gross or a dozen dozens. Would have been usefull.
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Feb 2, 2015 01:34
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Twelves are awesome, they have loads of factors. If we were sensible we'd count in base 12 not base 10.
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Feb 2, 2015 02:44
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Party Boat posted:Twelves are awesome, they have loads of factors. If we were sensible we'd count in base 12 not base 10. Yeah, twelve's rule. gently caress tens and gently caress anyone who thinks tens are cool.
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Feb 2, 2015 07:29
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Umiapik posted:Yeah, twelve's rule. gently caress tens and gently caress anyone who thinks tens are cool. Well, gently caress evolution giving us ten digits then.
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Feb 2, 2015 08:00
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Bozza posted:We almost certainly have acquaintances in common, if we don't know each other. EE, Cyb or Com Sci? Physics actually, but knew a fair few cyb/com sci people through general uni osmosis. Just don't ask me to remember any names at this time of the morning.
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Feb 2, 2015 08:21
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Party Boat posted:Twelves are awesome, they have loads of factors. If we were sensible we'd count in base 12 not base 10. i'm not taking my shoes and socks off every time I need to do a sum
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Feb 2, 2015 08:37
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McDragon posted:1 to 10 I get, those are useful to know and get used. 11 and 12, I never really understood what they were good for apart from an indicator of "yeah, you've learnt a few things". Seems the first ten are good as a means to an ends, whereas any afterwards it just seems to be the end. And also easier to work out using the previous ones and sticking them together. Always just seemed kind of arbitrarily tacked on, those two. Saying that, if you're going to learn the 12s you may as well learn the 15s and 16s too, since the former is handy for telling the time and the latter for dealing with hexadecimal.
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Feb 2, 2015 09:09
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Paul.Power posted:The eleven times table is ridiculously easy to learn, mind (and frankly a bit of light relief after bullshit like the 7s): up to 9 × 11 you're just repeating the digit. 10 × 11 unsurprisingly follows the same "add a nought" rule as anything else × 10, 11 × 11 is a square number so you're probably using it elsewhere anyway. Plus there's just the general rule for multiplying two-digit numbers of adding the two digits together and putting the sum in the middle (e.g. 23 × 11 = 253), carrying the 1 if necessary (e.g. 57 × 11 = 627) I always found the 7s pretty easy weirdly, and I've never been great at arithmetic. 8s on the other hand... Yeah, I have no idea why.
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Feb 2, 2015 09:12
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Oberleutnant posted:i'm not taking my shoes and socks off every time I need to do a sum But that's the beauty of it! Every time you need to count to 12 just use each leg as an extra finger.
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Feb 2, 2015 09:12
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While we're talking about stupid numbers poo poo someone explain the concept of a baker's dozen to me because seriously
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Feb 2, 2015 09:13
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ThomasPaine posted:While we're talking about stupid numbers poo poo someone explain the concept of a baker's dozen to me because seriously Bread used to be sold by weight and there were harsh penalties for giving short weight. Because the weight of loaves and such would naturally vary, bakers would throw in an extra when someone bought twelve to ensure they were giving fair weight.
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Feb 2, 2015 09:17
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ThomasPaine posted:While we're talking about stupid numbers poo poo someone explain the concept of a baker's dozen to me because seriously This always got me too. It always left me thinking "why is a baker selling eggs anyway"
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Feb 2, 2015 09:20
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XMNN posted:Nah, Foreign Extra is really nice. The West Indies stuff they have at the moment is also pretty good. Yep. Guinness special export and foreign extra are both really good. The shops near me cater to a large Nigerian community so we get the decent foreign extra. It's extremely chocolatey and doesn't have the overwhelmingly bland 'creaminess' that the draft has.
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Feb 2, 2015 09:30
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tentish klown posted:Well, gently caress evolution giving us ten digits then. Count the number of sections between the joints on your four fingers with your thumb.
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Feb 2, 2015 09:36
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tentish klown posted:Well, gently caress evolution giving us ten digits then.
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Feb 2, 2015 10:00
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Rottbott posted:By that logic, if we counted in binary you could count to 1023 on your fingers which would come in handy. I'm not sure that's the same logic
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Feb 2, 2015 10:05
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ThomasPaine posted:I always found the 7s pretty easy weirdly, and I've never been great at arithmetic. 8s on the other hand...
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Feb 2, 2015 11:31
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I think when I was in school I learned that 12x12 was 144 and assumed that because I knew that and 1x1 I understood the full breadth of the curriculum. I wish we spent more time on algebra, I was good at that and then I managed to forget it about three times over the course of my education. Also it's actually useful for working out complex maths problems.
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Feb 2, 2015 11:36
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I'm absolutely shite at mental arithmetic, but I nailed higher level maths at uni like it weren't no thing. Rotating magnetic fields represented by 3d vector calculus? No bother. 7 times table? gently caress off.
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Feb 2, 2015 12:07
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Instead of teaching the 11 and 12 times table, surely it'd serve kids way better to teach them the common ratio of 2. Like, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 etc. It's necessary to know in just about every field involving computing.
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Feb 2, 2015 12:56
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It isn't really though. I've been a programmer for 20+ years, and I get vague above 4096. The only use is for gotcha interview questions. Mind you, I can't remember my times tables either, I just figure it out every time. Can't say it's ever been a problem. I guess you could teach hexadecimal if you really wanted to, but once you understand the concept there's no point learning to add and multiply hex numbers because again, no-one really does that and calculators exist. OwlFancier posted:I never memorised mine, on account of having this thing called a calculator to do arithmetic for me. Being able to do mental arithmetic is useful but not really necessary, considering any serious mathematical work will require a calculator anyway. Watching a room full of Physics PhDs trying to work backwards from the answer Mathematica gave them because they need to show their working in a paper is pretty funny.
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/02/probation-chief-inspector-paul-mcdowell-resignsThe Guardian posted:The chief inspector of probation, Paul McDowell, has resigned over a conflict of interest row after his wife’s private justice company won the largest number of contracts to run probation services in England and Wales. The probation service has gone to complete poo poo under Chris Grayling.
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Feb 2, 2015 13:23
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I remember when I was 17 having to teach my cousin about percentages. She genuinely didn't know how to answer questions like "An item costing £7.99 is in a 20% off sale. How much does it cost in the sale?" or how to convert a fraction like 5/14 to a percentage. She was in her second year of a Business Studies degree at the time.
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Feb 2, 2015 13:23
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What the gently caress kind of Orwellian bullshit phrase is "private justice company"?
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The Greens have dropped mincome from their 2015 manifesto so we won't be seeing those costings after all. And Caroline Lucas will most likely be appearing in any TV debates rather than Bennett, which is probably for the best.
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