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A Jaeger that is a missile. It just flies around and into Kaijus over and over
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Wild Horses posted:yeah the movies need more wrestling tbh and less guns and stuff That was Striker Eureka in the first movie - its entire torso was a missile battery. RBA Starblade posted:Alternately go the Mad Cat route and alpha strike the giant monster to death. The general MO of mechs in the first movie seemed to be beat up on the monsters until they're stunned and vulnerable to the mech's big weapon like Striker's missiles or Gypsy's plasma cannon. Similar big weapons were featured on the promotional art for Cherno (those two doors on it shoulders were supposed to be giant flamethrowers) and Typhoon (one of its arms could reconfigure into a rail gun). I'm guessing the monsters are supposed to be too agile to use the big weapon right away.
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Jul 27, 2017 17:37
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Cherno Alpha getting chumped was a gigantic missed opportunity and I'm sore as hell about it. Still.
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Jul 27, 2017 17:43
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Cherno Alpha getting chumped was a gigantic missed opportunity and I'm sore as hell about it. Still. I liked PR1 but it would have been cooler to have had Cherno go nuclear in death and at least take one of them out. There should have been a third Kaiju for imposing odds making their deaths more worthy, then leave two for Striker and Gypsy.
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Jul 27, 2017 17:48
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Or they could build a bunch of snowspeeders with harpoon cables.....
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Jul 27, 2017 18:03
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Seriously did none of you watch Spartacus? I'm bummed that Del Toro is gone but DeKnight fuckin' owns like hell so I'm hype regardless Nope! And if he doesn't put that theme in the movie, he ain't poo poo!!!
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Jul 27, 2017 19:26
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Cherno Alpha getting chumped was a gigantic missed opportunity and I'm sore as hell about it. Still. PR1 was the third film in a trilogy that should've existed.
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Jul 28, 2017 02:28
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Milky Moor posted:PR1 was the third film in a trilogy that should've existed. Really, this is the rare situation when a prequel would have been entirely appropriate. They have this great backstory with the kaiju appearing and threatening civilization, us fighting back with the jaeger program and then being driven back in turn by a kaiju resurgence. The first movie is the final movement, the last-ditch effort to risk everything or be annihilated. And a prequel would've let us have more Idris Elba.
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Jul 28, 2017 06:30
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I'd be neat if the next one they fight people with Jaegar\kaiju hybrid monsters
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Jul 28, 2017 06:45
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I already said it, but this one will have all the half kaiju brain Jaegers turn evil and be the "uprising". We're gonna Evangelion this poo poo. Also, what the gently caress Evangelion is so ubiquitous my phone autofill suggested it ahead if evangelical.
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Jul 28, 2017 07:25
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I'm looking forward to that and more the independence day aliens who made the kaiju. Maybe we'll even get a dude or chick to drift with a kaiju while it's alive and make it turn good. Also if the feminine jaeger has boob missile that'd be awesome.
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Jul 28, 2017 09:40
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Its been said in other threads about PR 1, but we really needed another Kaiju attack to break up that long character building slog. Then we could show Crimson and Cherno kicking some rear end, showing how badass they are so when they get chumped we know the stakes have been heightened.
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Jul 28, 2017 10:28
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Rough Lobster posted:Also if the feminine jaeger has boob missile that'd be awesome. 
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Jul 28, 2017 11:07
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It's heavily implied that the Kaiju are physically altered, possibly mind controlled Frankensteined living weapons almost as artificial as the Jaegers, would be fun to have a 'wild' Kaiju escape to Earth and fight with both.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:16
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I'm kind of surprised to see people giving Athena poo poo for having a feminine design, because it's the only one of the bunch that looks halfway interesting.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:50
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Seriously did none of you watch Spartacus? I'm bummed that Del Toro is gone but DeKnight fuckin' owns like hell so I'm hype regardless For real.
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Jul 28, 2017 13:11
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Also I guess I'll have to re-watch Spartacus. I remember liking it, but don't recall anything past him being in the sewer fights with Leatherface.
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Jul 28, 2017 13:29
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McSpanky posted:Really, this is the rare situation when a prequel would have been entirely appropriate. They have this great backstory with the kaiju appearing and threatening civilization, us fighting back with the jaeger program and then being driven back in turn by a kaiju resurgence. The first movie is the final movement, the last-ditch effort to risk everything or be annihilated. Hell, Cherno Alpha was even stated to be the last of the Mark One mechs, meaning it's been around and fighting from the very beginning of the war. Appropriate, perhaps, that an old warhorse like that wouldn't fare well against the biggest Category Fours in history, but there's a great story there that could be told.
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Jul 28, 2017 13:52
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Rough Lobster posted:Also if the feminine jaeger has boob missile that'd be awesome. 
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Jul 28, 2017 13:55
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Cythereal posted:Hell, Cherno Alpha was even stated to be the last of the Mark One mechs, meaning it's been around and fighting from the very beginning of the war. Appropriate, perhaps, that an old warhorse like that wouldn't fare well against the biggest Category Fours in history, but there's a great story there that could be told. Everything about Cherno's design was awesome, including the drift suits. The tank crew look makes me want to think the cockpit is just one hollowed-out T-34.
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Jul 28, 2017 17:24
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Drunken Baker posted:Also I guess I'll have to re-watch Spartacus. I remember liking it, but don't recall anything past him being in the sewer fights with Leatherface. That was the third episode so yeah you forgot most of the series
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Jul 28, 2017 17:26
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tribbledirigible posted:Everything about Cherno's design was awesome, including the drift suits. The tank crew look makes me want to think the cockpit is just one hollowed-out T-34. The first glimpses of the PR1 mechs were so much better than these in general.     
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Jul 28, 2017 17:40
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For me, the new designs are just a bit too humanlike. In PR1 the Jägers were still generally humanoid, but also very obviously artificial machines. It's most obvious with Cherno Alpha, which basically just a walking tank/reactor, but it's also visible for some other designs. Crimson Typhoon had those three arms and a very robotic head, Striker Eureka had the broad chest, wings, and shoulders that kind of suggested an airplane, and even the otherwise very humanlike Gipsy Danger had those armoured cowls breaking up the silhouette. By comparison, the new ones all seem very much "huge armoured human", rather than "mechanical war machine". The only one that seems to somewhat break that trend seems to be Bracer Phoenix with the low-set head, unusually broad shoulders, and whatever that gunnery pod is supposed to be. Though I still have some hope that it might be partially an effect of the blueprint-style that obscures most of the details, and that things might look better once you can actually see all the assorted bits and bobs.
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Jul 28, 2017 18:02
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The whole philosophy behind the Jaegers and Kaijus was that they were to move and look like they're supposed to be human beings in big rubbery suits, which worked pretty well in PR1 but they're overdoing it here
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Jul 28, 2017 19:01
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I just watched Pacific Rim for the first time and thought it was really weird the way the monsters were treated. Like, Newt is capable of understanding their thoughts but is completely unsympathetic to the fact that a baby monster just died right in front of him? And that the movie ends with everybody celebrating genocide? I thought he would have been somewhat remorseful or something. Maybe the sequel will pick up on all that.
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Jul 28, 2017 19:13
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This is actually SMG's interpretation of the movie, it's that it's the film is fascist because it's basically everyone uniting to kick the poo poo out of this Other. That's a valid reading. I read the monsters as something akin to climate change, so it doesn't bother me. They are pure destruction from an alien world (and in fact are even shown racked up in an ammo-belt like mechanism to be "fired" at the Earth).
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Jul 28, 2017 19:23
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:This is actually SMG's interpretation of the movie, it's that it's the film is fascist because it's basically everyone uniting to kick the poo poo out of this Other. In Pakistan and poor regions the families have so many kids that if they are starved for food they will essentially "sell" a kid to someone and that person may be a fanatic and send them into crowded areas with a bomb to blow up unbelievers as an act of God. It's sad. So is the Kaiju situation.
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Jul 28, 2017 19:39
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SleepCousinDeath posted:I just watched Pacific Rim for the first time and thought it was really weird the way the monsters were treated. Like, Newt is capable of understanding their thoughts but is completely unsympathetic to the fact that a baby monster just died right in front of him? And that the movie ends with everybody celebrating genocide? I thought he would have been somewhat remorseful or something. Maybe the sequel will pick up on all that. "Man I was almost sorry that baby kaiju died but then I remembered that they have poison blood and poo poo and exist only to lay waste to my people and now I'm pretty ok with it not growing up."
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Jul 28, 2017 20:16
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Gatts posted:In Pakistan and poor regions the families have so many kids that if they are starved for food they will essentially "sell" a kid to someone and that person may be a fanatic and send them into crowded areas with a bomb to blow up unbelievers as an act of God. It's sad. So is the Kaiju situation. The big issue here is that kaiju have no pathos. They are forces of destruction that express no emotions and seem to obey nothing more beyond a primal directive to destroy. The movie chooses to make them nothing more than living weapons so I don't think comparing them to exploited kids is earned.
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Jul 28, 2017 20:57
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The big issue here is that kaiju have no pathos. They are forces of destruction that express no emotions and seem to obey nothing more beyond a primal directive to destroy. The movie chooses to make them nothing more than living weapons so I don't think comparing them to exploited kids is earned. Indeed, comparing them to nothing human is earned and their alien masters only in the most broadly reductive strokes, which is why SMG's reading was both incredibly facile and a trolling masterstroke.
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Jul 28, 2017 21:09
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The big issue here is that kaiju have no pathos. They are forces of destruction that express no emotions and seem to obey nothing more beyond a primal directive to destroy. The movie chooses to make them nothing more than living weapons so I don't think comparing them to exploited kids is earned. They totally do, though. Del Toro wasn't such a bad director that he forgot to give his monsters any personality, and in particular the struggles of the strangled baby and careful, gentle probing of those glowing tendrils or whatever that were seeking Charlie Day's character out for sure communicated more than mindless, zombielike rampaging.
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Jul 28, 2017 21:35
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Ferrinus posted:They totally do, though. Del Toro wasn't such a bad director that he forgot to give his monsters any personality, and in particular the struggles of the strangled baby and careful, gentle probing of those glowing tendrils or whatever that were seeking Charlie Day's character out for sure communicated more than mindless, zombielike rampaging. The struggle s of the baby we're primarily "loving kill Charlie , loving kill everyone in my way, kill kill kill kill *choke to death*" and the Kaiju sending out glowing tendrils communicated "are you in there? I gotta make sure I killed you. Oh hey there you are, a whole lot of other people killed horrificaly but you're still alive, gonna loving kill you." MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Jul 29, 2017 |
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Jul 29, 2017 00:07
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MariusLecter posted:The struggle s of the baby we're primarily "loving kill Charlie , loving kill everyone in my way, kill kill kill kill *choke to death*" and the Kaiju sending out glowing tendrils communicated "are you in there? I gotta make sure I killed you. Oh hey there you are, a whole lot of other people killed horrificaly but you're still alive, gonna loving kill you."
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Jul 29, 2017 00:27
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The big issue here is that kaiju have no pathos. They are forces of destruction that express no emotions and seem to obey nothing more beyond a primal directive to destroy. The movie chooses to make them nothing more than living weapons so I don't think comparing them to exploited kids is earned. That seems true of, say, zombies in Day of the Dead but you'd be way off in saying their attributes don't reflect ideas about people. I didn't read SMG's posts but I would say PR is definitely a fascist fantasy BECAUSE of what you describe. Like an unsubverted zombie narrative, it goes to great lengths to assure you that the aliens are totally mindless, for sure, purely evil, definitely, incapable of communication or peace, without doubt, and ok to kill. The very desire to have this fantasy of a target for purely righteous, uncomplicated violence is the (a) root of fascism and imperialism.
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Jul 29, 2017 00:35
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DeimosRising posted:That seems true of, say, zombies in Day of the Dead but you'd be way off in saying their attributes don't reflect ideas about people. I didn't read SMG's posts but I would say PR is definitely a fascist fantasy BECAUSE of what you describe. Like an unsubverted zombie narrative, it goes to great lengths to assure you that the aliens are totally mindless, for sure, purely evil, definitely, incapable of communication or peace, without doubt, and ok to kill. The very desire to have this fantasy of a target for purely righteous, uncomplicated violence is the (a) root of fascism and imperialism. I feel like there is leagues difference between a zombie (human sized, human shaped, was formerly human, mills about passively until engaged) and a Kaiju (huge rear end monstrous thing, may have wings, eyestalks, multiple mouths, crawls out of a rift and heads straight for population centers and starts wrecking poo poo.) edit: I want to point out that it's entirely possible to make a movie where the Kaiju have emotions, an inner life, culture, etc and you could make the "fascism" argument to me much more convincingly. The movie just doesn't do that. Kaiju have poison blood and go AAAAARGH! and try to crush things. People sell their body parts as medicine and make temples from their bones. They are coded as animals. You could replace them with giant rabid wolves and the movie would be exactly the same (except for the flying and deep sea environment stuff - it would have to take place on land). Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jul 29, 2017 |
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Jul 29, 2017 00:41
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The kaiju are bio-terminators, if we can capture one and program it to feel and know now why people cry, that'd be a different story. As it is they are the imperialist drones of a extra dimensional empire sent to exterminate us to make it easier to colonize and take resources. You're seriously demonizing a resistance force because "hey they shouldn't be fighting back, don't they know, ALL lives matter."
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Jul 29, 2017 00:50
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The argument is that they decided to write the enemy as this ultimate hostile Other, unworthy of compassion yet parallel to those they invade, and use that status to concoct a fantasy of extremely justified violence. I didn't find it a very convincing condemnation. To me, it's that the aliens are a lot like humans taken to an extreme degree. Jaegers and kaiju are basically the same, custom-designed giants with two brains and elaborate weaponry that fight by going on suicide missions into another dimension. The idea of altering the climate of a planet and depleting it of all its resources tie into the environmental undertones. Humans are strong because of their unity? Well, the aliens are an entire species who are all permanently drifting together. If there were a twist that the invaders are the descendants of humans from an unimaginably distant future, I think it would feel earned. It has those who fight monsters becoming like monsters and it has them staring into an abyss that eventually stares back.
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Jul 29, 2017 01:00
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I feel like there is leagues difference between a zombie (human sized, human shaped, was formerly human, mills about passively until engaged) and a Kaiju (huge rear end monstrous thing, may have wings, eyestalks, multiple mouths, crawls out of a rift and heads straight for population centers and starts wrecking poo poo.) If you did that stuff it WOULDN'T be a fascist fantasy. It would be Starship Troopers. "It's afraid of us" Giving the enemy feelings and complex characterization and potentially justifiable or even explicable motives is the opposite of the fascist narrative MO. The Jews/foreigners/niggers/Chinese/whatever are almost always characterized as animals, subhuman, pitiless and unreasoning and destructive, simultaneously pathetic and inferior yet threatening and virile
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Jul 29, 2017 01:10
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The.extra dimenaional aliens explicable motive is imperialism. Their kaiju drones are neither pathetic nor inferior.
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Only in CineD would "fight the extradimensional monsters trying to kill us all" be a controversial statement. The more woke than thou games are worse than in E/N.
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