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How does this mod handle Arya? Is she just presumed dead or actually dead? Can she resurface now or at any point in time? She'd probably have a pretty short list given the events of the war 
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CapnAndy posted:We didn't, and I kinda forgot about her, to be honest. I'll see what can be done about getting her back in the future. "I have wonderful news your Grace. The Lannisters are broken, Kings Landing has fallen, and we have brought you the basterd Joffery's head!" "And Sansa?" "Who?" "Lady Sansa, my sister. She was being held in Kings Landing." "... oooooh! *snaps finger* Knew we forgot something. Sorry your Grace, slipped our minds. We will be right back!" *Some Time Later* "My King, once again I bring news of triumph. We have successfully laid siege to Casterly Rock and crush their pitiful attempt to retake their precious Red Keep! Victory is ours!" "... And Sansa? "Wh- Dammit!" 
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Nov 26, 2017 00:41
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Sheen Sheen posted:How does this mod handle Arya? Is she just presumed dead or actually dead? Can she resurface now or at any point in time? She'd probably have a pretty short list given the events of the war She is presumed dead on her character page, but if you were to, say, use the character finder to search for the name Arya then, who knows what might happen?  IIRC at the start of the war shes being held in Atadale(?) somewhere in the Riverlands and if you park an army there eventually you'll get an event that tells you that they found her. I have no idea if thats not the case now though, so long after the war.
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Nov 26, 2017 02:36
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Sheen Sheen posted:How does this mod handle Arya? Is she just presumed dead or actually dead? Can she resurface now or at any point in time? She'd probably have a pretty short list given the events of the war
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Nov 26, 2017 02:42
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CapnAndy posted:She's treated as missing, presumed dead, and there's a random chance of her showing up alive. If it never fires, she died in the coup at King's Landing or at some point during her adventures, or maybe she just decided to live in peace under another name. Who knows! I always assume by default that she's gone off to fulfill her destiny and dreams of becoming a Faceless Woman and killing loads and loads of people, respectively.
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Nov 26, 2017 03:37
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LMAO at Jorah marrying a Dany look-alike, that was just perfect.
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Nov 26, 2017 04:05
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Wait, really? That was it? We've won? Huh. That was easy. I guess the Starks in the books really were doinks. So, no betrayal by the Boltons? The Freys fall into line while the rest of the Riverland Lords betray us? The Ironborn are a practical no-show? Oh what the hell. Let's kick the tar out of the Riverlands, then find out what our Aunt is up to at the Vale. I'd rather that our borders are secure before we kill the hell out of the bloody Winter.
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Nov 26, 2017 06:34
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painedforever posted:Wait, really? That was it? We've won? Huh. That was easy. I guess the Starks in the books really were doinks. The Boltons didn't betray us because they couldn't pin the worst of it on the Freys, also Roose might be angling for the Riverlands himself now that the Tullys have proven themselves incapable of rational thought.
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Nov 26, 2017 13:09
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... where's Ramsay? Roose, I'm okay with. He's an evil jerk, but so long as we're winning, he's our evil jerk. But Ramsay is an animal, and he has no business being in our army.
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Nov 26, 2017 17:44
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CapnAndy posted:Jon did not die in that invasion, if it's any consolation. Not to him, I'm sure
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Nov 26, 2017 18:50
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The best part is, there's a pretty decent shot that Jorah's new wife is actually a character in the books. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Silver_haired_whore_in_Selhorys
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CapnAndy posted:She's treated as missing, presumed dead, and there's a random chance of her showing up alive. If it never fires, she died in the coup at King's Landing or at some point during her adventures, or maybe she just decided to live in peace under another name. Who knows!
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Nov 27, 2017 04:36
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frankenfreak posted:Where are they now project: Joffrey.
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Where are they now: what's up with Renly? Does the mod bookmark start after he's shadowmurdered? If not, what's he up to? E. And Brienne, for that matter. Where is she? Mikl fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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Nov 27, 2017 09:00
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Martial score isn't entirely worthless if you can't be a battlefield commander, BTW; your martial score is now treated as a modifier to the levies you can raise out of your demense. Anyone with a Martial below 8 (not a problem for Bran) actually gets a penalty to the number of levies they can raise, while military geniuses get larger levies. Also it affects the rate of military tech point generation, and your state military score directly affects the rate at which your armies regain morale after a battle. I mean, giving Bran the diplo education is absolutely the way to go, I'm just saying that martial isn't useless for him.
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Nov 27, 2017 09:20
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Mikl posted:Where are they now: what's up with Renly? Does the mod bookmark start after he's shadowmurdered? I'll look into Brienne.
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Nov 27, 2017 16:52
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Part 7: The Winds of Winter  With the war over, I get a bunch of these messages as Edmure takes titles away from the traitorous.  I decide to choose the more amusing “gently caress it” route and simply walk away, leaving the Iron Throne empty for literally anyone who wants to claim it. (If there’s a way for that anyone to be me, I can’t find it, and I did look.)  Tommen is imprisoned by one of my council (I guess I don’t get him personally because I’m a minor? What the heck, that sucks), is declared a Lannister, and gets an amusing nickname hung on him. I like it.  With nothing else to do, I call up my fleet levies, and... yeah. It’s not enough.  I hire a sellsword fleet, but they’re only going to provide 15 ships, which isn’t much either. You can fit about 100 men on a single ship.  Lucky me, though! The Iron Fleet decides to make another appearance and drops off another load of Greyjoys for me to murder. How thoughtful!  They die so easy.  A quick look at my council. They’re not bad.  Well, it’s... something? I’m gonna send them to the Iron Isles (which will require circumnavigating all of Westeros), maybe I can siege something with ‘em.   Ah, childhood. As both options make me and Rickon rivals, I pick the one that gives me prestige and Rickon a chance at a good trait.  Ransoms are nice and I don’t particularly want that guy. I ransom off a few other prisoners too.  But that ransom offer gets me looking, and... what the heck! Who let Tommen out of prison? Who gave him the right to call himself a Baratheon and took away his bastard nickname? Who let him just stroll back into King’s Landing and take up his throne again? I approved none of this! I have to assume my council did this without consulting with me. Gods, I hate being a child.  My paltry little invasion arrives at the Iron Islands, and gosh, that’s a lot of men rallied under a banner with no heraldry on it.  Ha! Having a bit of problems at home because I killed literally every last one of your fighting men, “King” Balon? Peasant revolt running rampant? What an absolute shame!   I disembark my men but every single province has a garrison of more than 2100 men. I can’t siege anything, so I head back on the boats to go home. Oh well.  Okay, look, Thorne. I have about 6,000 men who aren’t doing anything at all right now and are already mustered. I am sending them to your aid immediately. Do not surrender before my men get there, okay? I just need you to hold out for the time it takes my guys to march up, it’s very simple, just don’t --  Oh no.  Oh no.  Oh no. Notice who surrendered on behalf on the Night’s Watch, too: looks like Alliser Thorne didn’t survive the battle either. (And I had R+L=J turned on, too! Now we’ll never know!) Where Are They Now?  Littlefinger backed the wrong knight in this particular joust, and has been imprisoned alongside the bastard he chose to follow. Questions for the Council: Does anyone actually know how to handle a White Walker invasion? Like, have you managed to kill them off for good? Because it’s looking very much like they’re going to be our problem before long and I’d seriously rather not spend the rest of eternity besieged by zombies.
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Nov 27, 2017 17:40
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And THAT is why you should have just put the proper Baratheons on the throne when you won. Because leaving the throne empty will just end up to a Baratheon anyway, or something inexplicable will happen and now the people who loving hate you are still on the throne. And if you put the proper guys on the throne, at least they're more inclined to be pals with you. (You couldn't take the throne because you do not have a claim to it, you were just fighting for independence. Cassus belli is important) You can fight off the White Walkers and attempt to retake the wall, then you can re-establish it. Or you can try a real attempt to push them back for good. I want to say it's a Summer War or something? Anyway, your only option is brute force to my knowledge, have fun with that! EDIT: And the shenanigans with the Iron Throne had nothing to do with your regency. You are not the Iron Throne. The Iron Throne is who declares legitimacy. I'm not sure how it works 100%, but you gave up the right to determine it when you shrugged and left the throne empty. He probably would have been declared illegitimate if you filled the throne. Also valyrian steel swords do help in duels with white walkers, so that's... something! Oh, and if you want to make the Wall sturdier, I'd recommend just giving whoever leads it money once they have it back. Most of it has fallen into disrepair, and they can't fix it without money. It's a good investment for the North. Midnight Voyager fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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Nov 27, 2017 18:15
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Midnight Voyager posted:
Apparently they didn't help enough, as poor castrated Jon Snow still got killed. I have never played this game and I am not totally familiar with the mechanics. Some remain opaque to me from the screenshots. But this is really entertaining. Question: why have all your battles been absolute routs, with like 30:1 casualty rates?
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Nov 27, 2017 18:27
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FairGame posted:Apparently they didn't help enough, as poor castrated Jon Snow still got killed. Well, this isn't just a game, it's a mod to a game, so it's a bit more opaque. The mod has its own systems for several things. The battles have been routs because he's hitting with a lot more dudes than the other guy. for the most part. I saw one that was 20K dudes to 5K dudes. Numbers are the most important factor for battles even though other things can influence the outcome. For example, the terrain is going to hurt anyone fighting in the North, but it hurts Notherners less. And it hurts Winter none. And yeah, valyrian steel is not a guarantee, but every little bit helps. I think that they just can't die in duels unless you have valyrian steel, though I'm not sure because I usually have it if I'm dealing with them. Oh, a mechanic you haven't seen yet: Being taken over by Winter is going to be a problem for your land. You do not want them to win any land if you can at all help it. It will take forever and a mint to rebuild it, and expect a ton of named people to die. And if you were wondering about the legitimacy thing: If a bastard takes the Iron Throne, they can legitimize themselves. The councilman who had him imprisoned probably accepted a ransom and then Tonmen went back to the throne as (obviously) the first claimant and legitimized himself. And the operative word there is "claimant". Only someone with a CLAIM can take the throne, which is just the Baratheons or the invading dragon. Midnight Voyager fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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Nov 27, 2017 18:34
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I assume also helping these routs is his master-at-arms martial score of 30.
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Nov 27, 2017 19:44
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Midnight Voyager posted:Well, this isn't just a game, it's a mod to a game, so it's a bit more opaque. The mod has its own systems for several things. The battles have been routs because he's hitting with a lot more dudes than the other guy. for the most part. I saw one that was 20K dudes to 5K dudes. Numbers are the most important factor for battles even though other things can influence the outcome. For example, the terrain is going to hurt anyone fighting in the North, but it hurts Notherners less. And it hurts Winter none. I don't go into battle unless it's with a numerical advantage (the bigger army will win the fight 9 times out of 10 as a general rule) and I try to make sure to have my three best commanders in charge when I do. I have no interest in offering my opponents a fair fight ever. That said, the casualty ratios I'm getting are way better than I could reasonably expect. 10:1 is an absolute rout and I'm putting up 27:1 against the Ironborn with only a third more men than them? Troop types can explain maybe some of that -- I have cavalry and they have none -- but I had basic troop type parity with the Lannisters and I was crushing them too. The mod turns off technology, so it's not like I have super-advanced troops. I can't entirely explain it. But I'm not complaining. P.S. If anyone's finding anything opaque and would like explanations, feel free to ask. I like explaining. CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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Nov 27, 2017 19:45
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Another thing that matters a lot is terrain. A 10,000-man army fighting a 30,000-man army on even ground is gonna get rolled, but if the bigger army is attacking across a river, into a mountain range? While the 10,000-man army's commanders have Mountain Master, Defensive, and Narrow Flank? and half of those 10,000 men are pikemen? You can pull out some pretty insane underdog wins if you know how to pick your battles.
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Nov 27, 2017 20:44
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Does Dany exist? Could you just keep the Iron Throne warm until she arrives then just cede the South?
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Nov 27, 2017 20:48
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DariusLikewise posted:Does Dany exist? Could you just keep the Iron Throne warm until she arrives then just cede the South? Yes and no. We're independent, and the choices were "hand Iron Throne to Shireen" or "let whoever take it". The latter was chosen, now it's Tommen's.
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Nov 27, 2017 20:55
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I like to think Tommen is just confused beyond belief about why a war was even fought
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Nov 27, 2017 20:57
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Is it possible to have Daenerys assassinated? That could spare us a lot of potential future worries.
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Nov 27, 2017 21:03
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Someone ordering the King to do the dishes is magical and more important than this ice zombie bullshit.  Can Joffrey get the same event? Is "shoot the maid with a crossbow" an option?
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Nov 27, 2017 21:09
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Fat Samurai posted:Someone ordering the King to do the dishes is magical and more important than this ice zombie bullshit. The best part is too Bran somehow "ran away" from doing them. I imagine him spider monkey climbing onto Hodor and making him sprint down the hallways yelling "woopwoopwoop" (Bran that is, Hodor is just yelling hodorhodorhodor).
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Nov 28, 2017 05:33
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Please check up on Myrcella. I have a bit of soft spot for her due to her being amazing wife material.
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Part 8: The Music of Dragons In continuing “the dungeons of Winterfell might as well have a revolving door” news.  The Night’s Watch elects a new Lord Commander, a man with no name and of little note. They’re down to the dregs; this is pretty bad.  This is good, though. Gregarious is a good trait.  Well, I have no idea how I managed to screenshot it so badly, but this is really bad. As you can kinda see behind that message of my vassals coming to my aid, the White Walkers are now invading us.  I finally find the absolute last Greyjoy army left anywhere in the world, crush it, and get the warscore up to 100%.   gently caress off forever, Balon.  Bran turns 14 and the Ruler Unmarried notification pops up, because I guess the mod changes the age when you can get married to 14 (from 16 in the base game). Time to go wife-hunting, then.  My first possibility is Missandei, and she’d be willing. Good to know. But since I’m in Dany’s court, I decide to make a play for the big prize, just because why not?  AND OH MY GODS YES ARE YOU KIDDING ME. Daenerys Targaryen will agree to a non-matrilineal marriage, and that little daughter in her Children tab means she’s fertile (young Raenys is in fact a newborn with no claimed father). I go dashing off to the Council with this news, and they give their assent because seriously why wouldn’t you.  Dany’s done well for herself, too. I’d be okay with my kids inheriting that.  We’re actually doing pretty well for money and I feel like “married Dany” is dowry enough on its own, so I take the prestige.  I have no idea who that is! It’s not the Aegon impostor, though. I’m not 100% on that, but I’m pretty certain it’s not.  So here’s the deal, kids-wise: Bran is crippled, and that’s -30% to fertility. Dany is currently leading armies in the field. The GoT mod imposes a -20% fertility penalty for that, which I actually think is a really good idea that the base game should steal. It’s entirely accurate that being off with troops in the field would make it much harder to impregnate your spouse, because you’re only gonna get chances when they come to visit you or you can slip away for a few nights. I think it adds a nice strategic layer on young rulers with good stats, because you have to weigh leading your troops when possibly there might be nobody better against your need for heirs. With all of that adding up, kids might actually be a bit of a problem here. (Luckily, teleporting sperm has been a “feature” of CK2 that they’ve never managed to do anything about, and it will not matter that Bran is ruling in King’s Landing while Dany leads troops half the world away in Essos.) Setting your ambition to have a son/daughter gives you a bit of a fertility boost, so I take it. Every little bit’s gonna help.  The game goes a bit wonky as Dany feels the need to legitimize herself. ‘Kay.  On the Good News front, it turns out that wights are no more of a threat to an army of pissed-off Northmen than Lannisters were.  Awww. Another lore character bites the dust. Lord Manderly served me ably and well as my spymaster, and will be missed.  His replacement isn’t great, either... but it is Jojen Reed, so that’s pretty cool at least. Hi, Jojen!   A few more dead wights, and the White Walkers agree to go away. Um. That was easy?  Aaaaaand... call it. After six years of constant warfare against the Lannisters, Greyjoys, Wildlings, and Undead, we finally rule a realm at peace.  Which gives us time to stop and take stock of our situation, especially in the Riverlands. It does look like we got a lot of the land back when Edmure went on his revoking spree at the end of the war, but some of it’s still independent. That can and should be handled.  Broken spine? Curse from evil witch? Not a problem, motherfuckers. Questions for the Council: How awesome is Bran right now? He’s feeling pretty awesome. But seriously, what should our long-term goals be? If the Walkers kill us all this is moot, obviously, but if we can handle them we’re a bit rudderless in terms of what to do. Retaking the parts of the Riverlands that went for Joffrey is the most obvious project. We can also look into the laws of Meereen and making sure that our unborn heir will inherit Dany’s empire too. Apart from those two things, though, I see nothing very obvious. Now is a good time to start brainstorming about what we want and how we’re going to go about getting it. General advice is, as always, welcomed. (Where Are They Now will resume probably next update, maybe the one after that.)
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As someone who has neither watched the show nor read the books (yes I live under a rock and a hard place), what's the big deal with this Daenerys chick? Is she the True Heir™ to the Iron Throne or something? EDIT: And are the White Walkers human? I always thought the GoT series was a low-fantasy one, with no magic, but it seems these guys need some kind of magic steel to kill. CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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It is clear that the Night’s Watch can no longer be trusted to keep out threats north of the Wall. Bran must build a new kingdom beyond the wall.CommissarMega posted:As someone who has neither watched the show nor read the books (yes I live under a rock and a hard place), what's the big deal with this Daenerys chick? Is she the True Heir™ to the Iron Throne or something? The short version is that Dany is the last member of the last dynasty, who was exiled after a huge civil war displaced them from the Throne. Dany’s appearance coincides with a resurgence of magic across the world. White Walkers are humanoid ice creatures seemingly bent on destroying humanity. The Wall was meant to keep them out.
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Hows Fake Aegon's little conquest been going? I dont think we've heard from him since we told him to piss off.
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CommissarMega posted:As someone who has neither watched the show nor read the books (yes I live under a rock and a hard place), what's the big deal with this Daenerys chick? Is she the True Heir™ to the Iron Throne or something? The White Walkers are ice demons who can raise the dead and are using the resulting tide of zombies to murder everything. In the show they are doing this because they are a weapon created to be used against humanity that got out of control and is just going along on its own with nothing but the KILL HUMANS directive to go on. In the books they may or may not turn out to have another motive. Part of the appeal of GoT is that it starts as low fantasy in a setting where dragons, demons, and magic in general used to be a thing, provably so, they've got histories of it, but all the magic has long since faded and gone away. Then it goes "okay, see this cast of grounded, realistic people? Watch them react in a grounded, realistic manner to magic coming back into their world." Ikasuhito posted:Hows Fake Aegon's little conquest been going? I dont think we've heard from him since we told him to piss off. CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Man, I should really get around to watching the show at least; I admit, I was a little turned off by the low-fantasy premise. Not to knock on low fantasy as a whole, don't get me wrong, but it was described to me at first like 'The War of the Roses but with more dudes and SEX!!1!', and that just got me tuned out. Might as well get started then, it looks like.
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Remember that show is reasonably faithful up to season 5, and Dorne is completely hosed. Is Dorne involved in the mod yet?
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CapnAndy posted:Daenerys is indeed the True Heir™ to the Iron Throne (if you're a Targaryen loyalist, which most fans are at this point due to everyone else mucking it up so badly) Mucking it up is a feature, not a bug. I’m on Team Cersei because she always gets very, very close to making a good decision before slingshotting off into previously unknown territories of bad Also, her outfits are consistently on point. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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CommissarMega posted:As someone who has neither watched the show nor read the books (yes I live under a rock and a hard place), what's the big deal with this Daenerys chick? Is she the True Heir™ to the Iron Throne or something? She’s a dumb teenager who thinks having Fantasy WMD’s automatically makes you a good ruler. A non-matrilineal marriage is awesome though because we get all her stuff and since her children with Bran will be Starks (I think?) the Targaryen family will eventually die out.
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