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Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
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Prester Jane posted:

***TRIGGER WARNING***This is an effort OP meant to attract effortposts in response. If you find the act of putting effort into internet posting to be personally triggering then this thread will be extremely upsetting to you and you are hereby cautioned against reading it. ***TRIGGER WARNING***



So it goes without saying that the SA community is one of the oldest communities on the internet(certainly no one ever envisioned this place lasting as long as it has)-
and as a result of both the moderation structure and the kinds of individuals this community has tended to attract a ton of interesting poo poo has happened here over the years. The history of the evolution of this community is actually quite interesting and genuinely worth knowing. However despite this being an online community wherein every word is preserved for eternity the, knowledge of the history of this community is essentially the digital equivalent a verbal tradition at this point. While certain moments and particularly funny incidents are fairly well known and occasionally discussed (e.g. Groverhaus) very few Goons have anything close to a full picture of the fascinating history of these forums.

So in this here thread I am proposing that those who are interested take a bit of time and compose your thoughts about the portion of the evolution of this forum that you have personally witnessed. I think this is an astonishingly fascinating topic that if my PM's are anything to go by quite a few Goons would like to see discussed in an open and non-confrontational way. There are many events that SA has participated in that have had a real impact on our world- from our role in the emergence of Anonymous as a hacktivist group to our successful campaign to force Reddit to ban blatant child exploitation. (Reddit used to have forums focused specifically on allowing pedophiles to coax 14 year olds into posting sexually explicit images of themselves- then Goons happened.)

I don't intend for this thread to be about establishing **The Truth** of what happened here- rather I am hoping for more of a "letters from the Civil War" style approach wherein posters contribute their perspectives and thoughts on the things they have experienced here. This thread is about the experience of the events that happened here and how various individuals perceived them both at the time and now many years of reflection later.

In other words this thread is more about making an interesting contribution then being "right". This thread is about telling the story of this forum from the perspective of the individual- not about dueling about what the meta-narrative of SA should be. There are many fascinating posters who lurk in this forum that I am hoping to coax out into the open here (paging Uglycat) because I think there are a ton of awesome effortposts about this topic just waiting for the right oppurtunity to be written.


With all that said I will kick things off by making my own tiny contribution here by describing my personal viewpoint on the infamous subforum Laissez's Fair and the role it played in shaping SA into its modern form. As you can see this is not intended to be exhaustive or even perfect, it is simply an interesting viewpoint on an immensely complicated social event that played out over the course of several years.



As a final note: While my contribution here is mostly about (a small part of) the political evolution of this community I am telling that because that is what I know- not because I think politics are the only (or most valid/interesting) area of this forums history that should be discussed. Anything about any event or subforum can make for a good post in this thread- just give an honest appraisal of how you remember things playing out.

It is a jokes forum from a jokes website. The best way to fit in is just try to be funny. Some jokes will fall flat and other will create memorable threads. If you aren't trying to be funny you are in the wrong place

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Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Being rude to people to see how they handle it is a useful technique. You can see if they are smart, funny people just pretending to be self-important or if they actually are self-important and foolish by how they react and what kind of actions they take.

Being rude to people who are rude as some kind of funny secret game they play is also a really useful technique. Or, eat poo poo and die nerd.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
You can give as good as you get, or just ignore it, or anything really. Basically, if they go crying to the mods saying it's intolerance of long posts or *-phobia then they are morons

OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Nov 27, 2017

Willias
Sep 3, 2008

Quidam Viator posted:


For me, our history has been one of slow and necessary decline. We started with one of the biggest bangs any non-corporate site has ever produced. We peaked, and tried to adapt for as long as we could. For a long time, our content was the freshest on the whole drat internet. Now we have been mostly eaten by our children, but that's ok. Even the conceit that we are still around, talking like this, is a gigantic middle finger to the whole internet of things that collapse after a month or two. I don't even post my craziest ideas about our effects on the world. I am just glad to feel like I was here in some part for the beginning of all internet funny, and I mean that seriously, in the most long-form way possible.

While 4chan and Reddit (and I'd say Reddit is more the big cheese now) are now the big kings of internet discussion, SA still manages to do a good job of showing them up from time to time.

ShitRedditSays was the Reddit devil for a long while (and if I remember right, SA started that reddit), and the massive banning of all things kiddie porn related from Reddit was caused by SA as well.

On a different note, it's interesting to me that SA seems like it has never really had any major influence on Facebook or Twitter. Something Awful was always grounded in some form of anonymity, where users were known by created user names, much like 4chan (though many users just use Anonymous) or Reddit, both of which I'd consider to be derivative of SA. I can't think of any time in which any of these groups actually tried to invade the social media communities as they were starting up. Was it because they tended to use real identities vs anonymity?

School Nickname
Apr 23, 2010

*fffffff-fffaaaaaaarrrtt*
:ussr:
How good are the PYF funny quotes and saga threads in covering SA history? I think they'd be pretty good resource in refreshing the memories of the forums methuselahs that are still active.

I love this thread by the way, managed to get past the inevitable volley of one-line shitposts that kill off a lot of threads. I'd love to know more about the arcane secrets that even the PYF threads haven't covered.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
Reddit is unreadable as discussion because it's basically 10 pages of slightly different hot takes directed at the original post, and then worthless commentary attached to each one.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

School Nickname posted:

How good are the PYF funny quotes and saga threads in covering SA history? I think they'd be pretty good resource in refreshing the memories of the forums methuselahs that are still active.

I love this thread by the way, managed to get past the inevitable volley of one-line shitposts that kill off a lot of threads. I'd love to know more about the arcane secrets that even the PYF threads haven't covered.

It's not the shitposts that kill threads, it's that nobody else is interested so the thread dies on its own and the only thing you can see is shitposts.

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

Willias posted:

On a different note, it's interesting to me that SA seems like it has never really had any major influence on Facebook or Twitter.

goons were some of the first people to use and play around twitter and were pretty responsible for what it is now, if that's a good thing or not idk

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

You can give as good as you get, or just ignore it, or anything really. Basically, if they go crying to the mods saying it's intolerance of long posts or *-phobia then they are morons

Stop whining about your unfunny friends getting the boot.

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


Willias posted:

On a different note, it's interesting to me that SA seems like it has never really had any major influence on Facebook or Twitter. Something Awful was always grounded in some form of anonymity, where users were known by created user names, much like 4chan (though many users just use Anonymous) or Reddit, both of which I'd consider to be derivative of SA. I can't think of any time in which any of these groups actually tried to invade the social media communities as they were starting up. Was it because they tended to use real identities vs anonymity?

I'd disagree w/r/t twitter, @dril and similar accounts were all ex-FYAD posters. Maybe that's not a "major" influence though

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Who What Now posted:

Stop whining about your unfunny friends getting the boot.

Swing and a miss. I don't think you understand what is going on.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

School Nickname posted:

How good are the PYF funny quotes and saga threads in covering SA history? I think they'd be pretty good resource in refreshing the memories of the forums methuselahs that are still active.

I love this thread by the way, managed to get past the inevitable volley of one-line shitposts that kill off a lot of threads. I'd love to know more about the arcane secrets that even the PYF threads haven't covered.

Later tonight I will do a big ole effortpost about the origins of 4chan (it was us and our rejects- Moot was a goon and used to post threads inviting people to try his experimental website), how we sorta disowned 4chan then briefly welcomed them back into the fold during Chanology (an event during which we invented the modern concept of doxxing and social media warfare), how we (well mostly us anyways) reinvented Anonymous in our own image to transform it from a tool for online harassment into a social hactivism movement, and then how we walked away from what w had created because we never expected it to become the primary tool for literal white supremacists to make a comeback in the US.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

I'd disagree w/r/t twitter, @dril and similar accounts were all ex-FYAD posters. Maybe that's not a "major" influence though

Social media is so dispersed and fragmented that there's really no "major" influences at all beyond things like current events, which doesn't really count.

spinderella
Jul 15, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

School Nickname posted:

How good are the PYF funny quotes and saga threads in covering SA history? I think they'd be pretty good resource in refreshing the memories of the forums methuselahs that are still active.

I love this thread by the way, managed to get past the inevitable volley of one-line shitposts that kill off a lot of threads. I'd love to know more about the arcane secrets that even the PYF threads haven't covered.

Ah , something I can she'd some light on. Specific funny " sagas" of particular posters are well covered, all the biggies are referenced over and over, like Groverhaus, Texarrakis, Many more BUT all context is lost. And no history of SA is in there, like of specific forums; they are just floating in space. That's why the input of long time posters is vital.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Swing and a miss. I don't think you understand what is going on.

A poor deflection

Willias
Sep 3, 2008

d0s posted:

goons were some of the first people to use and play around twitter and were pretty responsible for what it is now, if that's a good thing or not idk

Probably not. Twitter is like some weird rear end "I wanna be facebook but I also wanna be reddit" mess where people try use it as some bullshit blog platform and then get super angry when the internet rains on their parade.

Then again, that might be part of the influence, if not from SA then from Reddit and 4chan. It's like Facebook users want a place to talk to random people, but there are also 4chan users and all they want to do is make random people mad.

Reading a lot of Twitter is the internet equivalent of watching someone try to mix water and oil. Edit: Except you can also probably just go to Youtube and watch someone try and mix water and oil so maybe that comparison doesn't work but whatever.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

You can give as good as you get, or just ignore it, or anything really. Basically, if they go crying to the mods saying it's intolerance of long posts or *-phobia then they are morons

Look I get it. You are a Nazi and you hate the fact that I'm trans and you have a long pattern of stalking/harassing any thread I post in GBS. (You are also pissed that most of your buddies who used to join in are now banned.) Now that we have that cleared up can we move on please?

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Spinster posted:

Ah , something I can she'd some light on. Specific funny " sagas" of particular posters are well covered, all the biggies are referenced over and over, like Groverhaus, Texarrakis, Many more BUT all context is lost. And no history of SA is in there, like of specific forums; they are just floating in space. That's why the input of long time posters is vital.

Early D&D was actually a fun place to be because the mods were pretty on the ball about being non-judgmental and basically only punishing people for having meltdowns.

The old libertarian threads were great for this because most of those guys knew nothignn about economics beyond their tiny weirdo fishpond of austrian thought or whatever and they just couldn't deal.

Also the gimmick nazis/tankies/etc. were kept in check so they were funny without taking over or just being driven out.

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


The old "goon virginity/dating" megathreads in E/N had their share of great moments. A lot of it was back and forth between well-adjusted posters wanting to give advice, and posters who we would now describe as neckbeards and/or incels. There was one dude I remember who uncharacteristically took the thread's advice to get a haircut and better clothes. Then he went out to a bar, tried to talk to some girls and flubbed it, and came back to the thread to make an unhinged rant about how this was all bullshit and he was going to stick to groping underage girls at concerts. Prime stuff. That aside, though, I was going through a rough patch when I discovered E/N back in like 2009, and those threads had some genuinely helpful advice in regard to self-improvement such that I probably wouldn't be who I am today without them

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Prester Jane posted:

Look I get it. You are a Nazi and you hate the fact that I'm trans and you have a long pattern of stalking/harassing any thread I post in GBS. (You are also pissed that most of your buddies who used to join in are now banned.) Now that we have that cleared up can we move on please?

I actually don't know you and have anything against you personally so maybe stop being so self-important? I don't have any network of "buddies", and not everything is a giant conspiracy against you.

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


Bring back E/N in GBS

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I actually don't know you and have anything against you personally so maybe stop being so self-important? I don't have any network of "buddies", and not everything is a giant conspiracy against you.

You know people can read your post history, right? And your rap sheet?

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Who What Now posted:

You know people can read your post history, right? And your rap sheet?

I encourage everybody to read my words, and leave it to the public to draw their own conclusions. Now please stop dogpiling this derail.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I encourage everybody to read my words, and leave it to the public to draw their own conclusions. Now please stop dogpiling this derail.

Your only contributions have been about how you hate the current mods for banning DGSW and that people who report bigotry are ruining this site. You deserve to be dogpiled.

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


Ox Balls I realize you think it's PJ that's being self-important here, but you're really one-man-showing this "derail" you're talking about if anything

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

this is a fascinating thread and it's being shat up by oxballs being a bad poster. what is it about Silent Majority avatars and going into "i'm just asking questions" mode whenever they're called out for being awful?

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Waffle House posted:

Ox Balls I realize you think it's PJ that's being self-important here, but you're really one-man-showing this "derail" you're talking about if anything

I never started any of this. It's not my fault weirdo stalkers follow me around and make scurrilous accusations (look it up they have a long history of this behavior). They should cool it with the callout derails or else make a separate thread for them. Either way, this is the end and I'm not rising to their slanders anymore.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Absum
May 28, 2013

Mumpy Puffinz posted:

It is a jokes forum from a jokes website. The best way to fit in is just try to be funny. Some jokes will fall flat and other will create memorable threads. If you aren't trying to be funny you are in the wrong place

I probably shouldn't be posting at 3 am but this is the kinda thing I don't understand. A lot of the older regdates say this a a joke forum but it just really isn't anymore. I guess fyad and byob maybe? But this forum is really just a place to talk about whatever, which obviously does also include making jokes. The forum hasn't been about comedy specifically for ages and I doubt it's gonna lead another cultural revolution in that regard.

Actually this forum is also pretty interesting in how completely split is. Like even if some posters are the same the cultures between subforums, hell between threads, are insanely different.

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

haha remember that period like a year ago when GBS was basically /pol haha that was really good and should happen again. you idiots can't handle disruption

Manchild King
Oct 22, 2010
Misogynistic, self-absorbed, incredibly unfunny asshole. BLOCK ME or I will steal your face for creepy fetish porn!

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

A lot of it was back and forth between well-adjusted posters wanting to give advice, and posters who we would now describe as neckbeards and/or incels.
You forgot the third group of radical feminists. It's interesting how everyone remembers history differently.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Absum posted:

I probably shouldn't be posting at 3 am but this is the kinda thing I don't understand. A lot of the older regdates say this a a joke forum but it just really isn't anymore. I guess fyad and byob maybe? But this forum is really just a place to talk about whatever, which obviously does also include making jokes. The forum hasn't been about comedy specifically for ages and I doubt it's gonna lead another cultural revolution in that regard.

Actually this forum is also pretty interesting in how completely split is. Like even if some posters are the same the cultures between subforums, hell between threads, are insanely different.

Comedy is an attitude. You can see this in how that approach flavors the specialist subforums such as AI, etc., even though they have very few discrete "jokes".

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


Manchild King posted:

You forgot the third group of radical feminists. It's interesting how everyone remembers history differently.

I honestly don't remember them being a significant presence. Then again, if your red text is an actual quote of yours, I feel like we may have different definitions of "radical feminist"

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


d0s posted:

haha remember that period like a year ago when GBS was basically /pol haha that was really good and should happen again. you idiots can't handle disruption


Manchild King posted:

You forgot the third group of radical feminists. It's interesting how everyone remembers history differently.

:raise:

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

Absum posted:

I probably shouldn't be posting at 3 am but this is the kinda thing I don't understand. A lot of the older regdates say this a a joke forum but it just really isn't anymore. I guess fyad and byob maybe? But this forum is really just a place to talk about whatever, which obviously does also include making jokes. The forum hasn't been about comedy specifically for ages and I doubt it's gonna lead another cultural revolution in that regard.

Actually this forum is also pretty interesting in how completely split is. Like even if some posters are the same the cultures between subforums, hell between threads, are insanely different.

you joined for LPs, I didn't read that poo poo but wasn't it just goons making jokes about video games

Pissed Ape Sexist
Apr 19, 2008

The Story of Something Awful thread derailing into unwitting performance art showcasing the actual shitflinging nature of SA was a fun plot twist

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Pissed Ape Sexist posted:

The Story of Something Awful thread derailing into unwitting performance art showcasing the actual shitflinging nature of SA was a fun plot twist

We are not amused.

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


I totally joined this forum because I read the front page articles and it struck me right

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
Cliff Yablonsky was a great man RIP

Absum
May 28, 2013

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Comedy is an attitude. You can see this in how that approach flavors the specialist subforums such as AI, etc., even though they have very few discrete "jokes".

Eh I agree that this forum has a unique uuh google translate says ambiance but idk that I would call that itself comedy or even a comedy focus. People are pretty "jokey" yeah but I at least also value them for the ability to not cross the line and be serious at times, and as said I wouldn't really consider it a comedy focus anyway. To me that implies the entire forum being like the coloured ones, or like some sorta comedian convention were people try out jokes.


d0s posted:

you joined for LPs, I didn't read that poo poo but wasn't it just goons making jokes about video games

I joined because I was pissed I missed the end to a good cyoa in gbs because the forum was locked to non-members for a month. I'd read like 2.5 lp's at that point probably and was mostly hanging around for the gbs newsfeed lol

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Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


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