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idk guys a bunch of white middle class teenagers and television liberals are really mad at guns right now i think were really at a turning point here!!
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Taintrunner posted:This is the worst post in this thread that not only a) sets up an incredibly ludicrous false dichotomy but also b) pretends that only white high schoolers are victims of gun violence. Because, you know, when I hear the name Emma González, I definitely think white. But that's okay. we should do nothing and let the NRA, a literal propaganda arm of capital driving people to violence, have the final word, because of a hypothetical scenario that doesn't hold up to the fact that we actually do have records of who holds guns, the majority of which are white, cryptofascist murder fetish hoarders - but fail to have a national gun registry because the NRA, a literal propaganda arm of the arms manufacturers that produce and sell these weapons, has lobbied against it. https://www.thetrace.org/2016/08/atf-ridiculous-non-searchable-databases-explained/ op it's a bad idea to trust that the police in this country will use gun control as anything other than another excuse to terrorize marginalized communities
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well, speaking as a rich white liberal i think you'll find
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:there will never be any sort of significant seizure of guns in America in its current form, outside massive social unrest. good news
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Clochette posted:well, speaking as a rich white liberal i think you'll find Rich White people arent exactly fans of guns except for the ones the armed guard in their gated community carries. But them tax cuts tho...
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the bitcoin of weed posted:good news lol
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Apr 5, 2018 02:40
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teens holding extremely polite protests in the Designated Zones doesnt count as social unrest
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i more meant long term, gesturing wildly towards every post in the doomsday thread
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Apr 5, 2018 02:42
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and when guns are actually seized it wont be because theyre killing too many kids in schools or poor kids in drive bys, it'll be because theyre starting to be used against the power structure
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So the reactionary government disarming the people amid widespread civil unrest over the failing economy is a good thing?
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:and when guns are actually seized it wont be because theyre killing too many kids in schools or poor kids in drive bys, it'll be because theyre starting to be used against the power structure
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Apr 5, 2018 02:46
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Sidakafitz posted:So the reactionary government disarming the people amid widespread civil unrest over the failing economy is a good thing? love me im a liberal
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whenever i think of what a non-violent protest achieves, i think of this video from the serb wars, where you had a non-violent protest against Milosevic, then one sniper opens fires, and they all just simultaneoulsy fall to the ground. useless. afraid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdS9M7oSVOg&t=6590s that tells you how absolutely useless 'unarmed resistance' is. real social change means taking on the centers of power, and that means violence, through arms.
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rudatron posted:whenever i think of what a non-violent protest achieves, i think of this video from the serb wars, where you had a non-violent protest against Milosevic, then one sniper opens fires, and they all just simultaneoulsy fall to the ground. useless. afraid. lot of libs are weird american exceptionalists who think this kind of stuff could never happen in america
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Apr 5, 2018 02:57
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actually, peaceful protests are extremely effective at getting you placed on watch lists in case you ever think of doing something meaningful
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To be fair, peaceful resistance can be effective if you have overwhelming masses of people who are entirely unafraid of death and will keep going despite being mowed down by machine-gun fire, like a terminator
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the fantasy of you and your ragtag band of 20 assault rifles per person somehow winning a war against the US military, on their own soil, is hilariously juvenile no matter what your political goals are the Confederates (who had entire state governments on their side) gave it a try and got crushed, and that was back when both the feds and the rebels just had guns now the feds have tanks and planes and WMDs, and the LARPing rebels still just have guns but hey, your gun nerd fantasies are totally worth real people getting killed by the thousands every year, for no reason jarofpiss posted:i dont care enough about white high schoolers to justify a confiscation program that will be inevitably used to massacre people of color in their own homes apparently only white people are victims of random gun violence, which is the stupidest loving made-up fact that i've ever heard have you heard of the police? they sometimes kill black people for no reason too, and black kids go to high school too Gone Fission has issued a correction as of 06:00 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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the army is maga chuds, the militias are maga chuds, the cops are maga chuds,
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hahaha militias "look at me, i'm going to fight the professional army of my own country, or ignore the fact that my country now has a professional army and pretend that i'm the last line of resistance against King George" disband all militias and give them free copies of Call of Duty, they're less likely to shoot themselves in the face and just as likely to overthrow a tyrannical government
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I'm just constantly baffled when people go "lol the US military has tanks and planes and drones, what could an insurgency with guns and improvised explosives possibly do against that?" and act like they're doing anything other than embarrassing themselves
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Gone Fission posted:the fantasy of you and your ragtag band of 20 assault rifles per person somehow winning a war against the US military, on their own soil, is hilariously juvenile no matter what your political goals are hm yeah irregular paramilitary forces could never win against the us military 
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LGD posted:I'm just constantly baffled when people go "lol the US military has tanks and planes and drones, what could an insurgency with guns and improvised explosives possibly do against that?" and act like they're doing anything other than embarrassing themselves so why is it that you think that your fantasy scenario is plausible? do you think that somehow you know this country's terrain better than the military that you're fighting against (who are also from the same country)? or maybe you think that an assault rifle actually is a threat to a plane? maybe you think that you have more/better soldiers, or more guns, or more popular support than the US military does, in America? really curious here
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Gone Fission posted:so why is it that you think that your fantasy scenario is plausible? maybe read up on the last 50 years of the US military's experience fighting guerrilla forces and get back to the thread
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:maybe read up on the last 50 years of the US military's experience fighting guerrilla forces and get back to the thread there was a US civil war in the last 50 years, and the US government lost it? why can't i find any articles or videos about this?
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Gone Fission posted:there was a US civil war in the last 50 years, and the US government lost it? why can't i find any articles or videos about this? you are stupid.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:you are stupid. you think that the US military could lose a civil war, that it has lost a civil war, and in fact that this happened in the past 50 years lmao
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Gone Fission posted:you think that the US military could lose a civil war, that it has lost a civil war, and in fact that this happened in the past 50 years google "taliban" or maybe "viet cong" to have your mind blown
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:google "taliban" or maybe "viet cong" to have your mind blown we are talking about the heroic skinhead/maoist militias rising up against the US government, in America gun control in Afghanistan isn't relevant to this scenario
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Gone Fission posted:we are talking about the heroic skinhead/maoist militias rising up against the US government, in America youre the one asserting that it is impossible for an irregular guerilla force to win against the US military, when almost every conflict we've engaged in since Korea proves the exact opposite. im not sure why it being in America, with a population much better armed than the Vietnamese were, or the Afghans are, are somehow immune to that. if there was an actual popular insurgency against the government, the US government would be in an extremely bad position. The Civil War, fought in the 19th century as essentially a war between nationstates, has basically no relevance to the ways wars are fought now.
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it's really disingenuous to compare fighting foreigners with fighting people from your own country the only reason any of the guerrillas you're citing have had any success fighting against people who are more well-armed and well-trained than them is because they have the advantage of local support, terrain, language, culture, inherent interest in the outcome, etc., which the foreign army doesn't have none of that applies to a civil war
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rag-tag militia are helpless before the might of the f22s and f35. however much like russia had "general winter" during ww2, they would have an ally capable of felling the most advanced of american aircraft: "general light inclement weather"
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heres another foe capable of defeating our mightiest aircraft: mild logistical confusion and a moderate economic downturn brought about by domestic unrest
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Could a left-wing armed revolution in America actually "win"  instead of just exhausting the other side to the point of forcing concessions like regional autonomy and a pivot to a semi-stable political center?Also, does it really matter if you have guns in your house in this scenario? I assume that most of the arms (which would possibly include military grade equipment) would be supplied by people sympathetic to your cause, and through stuff like raiding the stocks of chud armories.
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Gone Fission posted:it's really disingenuous to compare fighting foreigners with fighting people from your own country im not sure why a popularly supported insurgency in the united states would not have those same advantages, maybe on a lower level admittedly. but an insurgency in the US would have other advantages those foreign fighters did not, mainly the ability to directly strike at the economy, popular support and infrastructure that supports the US military. im not saying it would be a guaranteed easy victory, but saying there is no chance at all of taking on the US military is a dumb lie by liberals who want to hand over all weapons to a reactionary, imperialist, racist state to allow them to do whatever they want without facing any potential consequences.
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SickZip posted:rag-tag militia are helpless before the might of the f22s and f35. however much like russia had "general winter" during ww2, they would have an ally capable of felling the most advanced of american aircraft: "general light inclement weather" SickZip posted:heres another foe capable of defeating our mightiest aircraft: mild logistical confusion and a moderate economic downturn brought about by domestic unrest lmao, good point, i concede and i welcome our new benevolent militia overlords Metal Cat posted:Could a left-wing armed revolution in America actually "win" i don't think so. In a few decades of living on this planet and meeting leftists, i've only ever met one leftist who i could see being fearless and bloodthirsty enough to actually contribute to a violent revolution, and even then only if a lot more people like him somehow appeared out of nowhere and completely changed the political context
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mass shootings are to liberals what islamic terror is to conservatives in terms of highly visible yet statistically insignificant death tolls leading to simple minded reactionary histrionics and the butchering of civil liberties
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were one (1) great depression away from half those maga chuds turning into wanting to mass murder bankers
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Wheeee posted:mass shootings are to liberals what islamic terror is to conservatives in terms of highly visible yet statistically insignificant death tolls leading to simple minded reactionary histrionics and the butchering of civil liberties freedom of thought and association are real civil rights that people actually need on a day-to-day basis, unregulated gun production and ownership is not Sheng-Ji Yang posted:were one (1) great depression away from half those maga chuds turning into wanting to mass murder bankers really? as awesome as that would be, i didn't see that happen last time there was a great depression
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Gone Fission posted:really? as awesome as that would be, i didn't see that happen last time there was a great depression lmao what
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