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I don't know about Stadium, but in the original RBY Swift absolutely did have a 1-in-256 chance to miss.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I don't know about Stadium, but in the original RBY Swift absolutely did have a 1-in-256 chance to miss. Nah. https://www.smogon.com/rb/articles/differences Scroll down to the part about 1/256 Uncertainty. These folks have decompiled the game, they know what's what.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:43
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tldr it's basically just that a programming error makes the chance that the move you used will hit 1/256th less than it's supposed to be. This is such a small number that it's not noticable outside of the fact that if a move is supposed to be 100% certain to hit, the error makes it only 255/256 certain. Swift isn't affected by this error since it doesn't HAVE accuracy (ie it doesn't have a base accuracy that gets further modified by the user's accuracy and the target's evade), it just hits the target whenever it's used, end of story.
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Jun 25, 2018 01:01
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Sorites posted:Nah. Interesting stuff. Thanks!
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Jun 25, 2018 01:13
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PMush Perfect posted:And we're up to the third time the first three fights have been cake and Brock facerolls me. I never made it past Sabrina in gym leader castle. 
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Jun 25, 2018 01:20
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Swift's utility in Gen 1 is that since it bypasses the accuracy check you can hit your opponent while they're invulnerable from dig or fly.
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Jun 25, 2018 01:30
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There were a couple times during my Yellow LP I missed a 100% accurate move, it's annoying, but because it's so rare you can't help but be impressed. Don't remember when it happened though.
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Jun 25, 2018 01:32
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If I remember correctly, even the Master Ball isn't immune to the 1/256 chance of failure, since catching Pokemon uses a similar function. It'd really suck if you used your Master Ball and it just failed on you.
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Jun 25, 2018 01:51
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Kurieg posted:Swift's utility in Gen 1 is that since it bypasses the accuracy check you can hit your opponent while they're invulnerable from dig or fly. Or more pertinently since no serious player uses Dig or Fly (e: but I guess the CPU opponents in Stadium probably do?), it bypasses goddamn Minimize/Double Team Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jun 25, 2018 |
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Jun 25, 2018 01:57
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Eric the Mauve posted:Or more pertinently since no serious player uses Dig or Fly (e: but I guess the CPU opponents in Stadium probably do?) They use it far more frequently than you'd think. And since Earthquake doesn't hit underground opponents it's way more annoying than it should be. Ephraim225 fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jun 25, 2018 |
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Jun 25, 2018 02:46
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Dig is as strong as Earthquake in Gen 1 and since I don't think the AI is smart enough to switch in an immunity/resistance it's a decent choice for Stadium. Especially if you aren't duplicating tms.
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Jun 25, 2018 03:39
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Epicmissingno posted:If I remember correctly, even the Master Ball isn't immune to the 1/256 chance of failure, since catching Pokemon uses a similar function. It'd really suck if you used your Master Ball and it just failed on you. Nah it also works all the time, like it has a special part of the formula or something. You might be thinking of the "You missed!" type message, which was just you totally whiffing the catch rate that badly.
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Jun 25, 2018 05:04
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rannum posted:You might be thinking of the "You missed!" type message, which was just you totally whiffing the catch rate that badly.
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Jun 25, 2018 06:16
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PMush Perfect posted:Yep! It's a purely cosmetic "critical fail". In later gens, they replaced it with the ball breaking without even a single shake. (I think it was an improvement, it's mechanically the same but it feels a little less frustrating, because your monkeybrain can't turn off the "well what if it HADN'T missed?" reaction.) It should be noted that this "critical fail" inspired the creation of the Brightpowder hold item, retroactively held by the pokemon whose catch rates just do not rise above the "You missed the pokemon" cutoff.
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Jun 25, 2018 07:06
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There were endless rumours around my school that you couldn't catch legendaries ever if they didn't have a status on them, because they were "immune" to pokeballs without one. Because of that "miss!" message.
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Jun 25, 2018 09:31
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Are we still posting quotes from the Stadium announcer? The one that I will always remember is the one used for a double KO. "They're down! They're both down!" These games were so fun.
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Jun 25, 2018 10:13
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PMush Perfect posted:Yep! It's a purely cosmetic "critical fail". In later gens, they replaced it with the ball breaking without even a single shake. (I think it was an improvement, it's mechanically the same but it feels a little less frustrating, because your monkeybrain can't turn off the "well what if it HADN'T missed?" reaction.) The one (sort of) nice thing about it is that once you see the ball connect, you know it's caught right there. As far as I can tell you always get the same failure animation depending on how low the catch rate is in the first game.
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Another fun little bit of Gen 1 trivia that wouldn't fit into an update: There's a few different ways to deliberately softlock yourself that you would pretty much never do accidentally, but there's two points that someone could feasibly do on accident. If you're a very thorough battler but also an impulse buyer who immediately spends all your money, you can end up being unable to afford either a drink to get into Saffron, or the 500P needed to get into the Safari Zone. In Blue, you can escape this by either catching or battling Meowth with Payday until you have enough, but since it's exclusive to Blue, it's a soft lock in Red or Yellow without a trade. Both of these were fixed in the remakes as Saffron now requires a key item (to prevent sequence breaking by trading a Pokemon holding a drink), and the Safari Zone guard letting you in if you're broke and beg him enough times. He'll give you full time, but only a single Safari Ball, so you can get the Surf and Strength HMs without exploiting it for infinite free Safari Zone uses. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jun 25, 2018 |
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Jun 25, 2018 18:25
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PMush Perfect posted:Another fun little bit of Gen 1 trivia that wouldn't fit into an update: There's a few different ways to deliberately softlock yourself that you would pretty much never do accidentally, but there's two points that someone could feasibly do on accident. If you're a very thorough battler but also an impulse buyer who immediately spends all your money, you can end up being unable to afford either a drink to get into Saffron, or the 500P needed to get into the Safari Zone. In Blue, you can escape this by either catching or battling Meowth with Payday until you have enough, but since it's exclusive to Blue, it's a soft lock in Red or Yellow without a trade. I recently learned that one about from a youtube channel with a series called "pokemon softlock picking" also you apparently can't release pokes with HM moves , they come back and you get a message saying "it was worried about you." Other highlights from softlock picking "Rage has to miss 20 times in a row and napkin maths says you'll more likely encounter 12 shinies in a row before that happens." PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jun 25, 2018 |
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Jun 25, 2018 18:41
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Oh, there's an announcer thing of "the level disadvantage is obvious" but you'd only get that if you were say using Mewtwo to stomp some poor low level dudes into the floor with the Free Cup thing and who would ever do that? And whatever the dig one is. "The Pokemon is going underground" is still a phrase that pops into my head every so often to this day so I think it is something like that
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Jun 25, 2018 18:54
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I know I already said the "What's the matter trainer?" thing but my sister and I still use this to ask each other what's wrong sometimes because we started doing that as a joke as kids.
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Jun 25, 2018 18:57
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PMush Perfect posted:Another fun little bit of Gen 1 trivia that wouldn't fit into an update: There's a few different ways to deliberately softlock yourself that you would pretty much never do accidentally, but there's two points that someone could feasibly do on accident. If you're a very thorough battler but also an impulse buyer who immediately spends all your money, you can end up being unable to afford either a drink to get into Saffron, or the 500P needed to get into the Safari Zone. In Blue, you can escape this by either catching or battling Meowth with Payday until you have enough, but since it's exclusive to Blue, it's a soft lock in Red or Yellow without a trade.
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Jun 25, 2018 19:11
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Yellow is when they introduced the Safari softlock fix.
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Crosspeice posted:Yellow is when they introduced the Safari softlock fix.
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McDragon posted:Oh, there's an announcer thing of "the level disadvantage is obvious" but you'd only get that if you were say using Mewtwo to stomp some poor low level dudes into the floor with the Free Cup thing and who would ever do that? Oh, and as an aside that I keep forgetting to mention: this game has a really great soundtrack. Lots of top-notch remixes of songs from the games, even some unexpected tracks or musical cues. Feel it should be linked in the LP in some capacity if at all possible.
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Jun 25, 2018 20:32
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Should be able to do that as soon as I can get videos to record with sound. ...I run into a lot of weird bugs.
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Jun 25, 2018 20:37
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PMush Perfect posted:...I run into a lot of weird bugs. Well, this is Gen 1.
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Jun 25, 2018 20:42
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I can't wait for all of the bug puns during and after the next update. The thread will be abuzz with them.
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Jun 25, 2018 21:32
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I broke, slightly. I'm going to be using Venomoth and Parasect instead of Venonat and Paras.
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Jun 26, 2018 00:43
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God the memories these screenshots have brought back. I can still hear the drat music, even now.
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Nice!
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Venomoth is actually decent. Certainly salvaged the run from what might have just ended up being "spam Double Team and pray".
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SirSystemError posted:Oh, and as an aside that I keep forgetting to mention: this game has a really great soundtrack. Lots of top-notch remixes of songs from the games, even some unexpected tracks or musical cues. Feel it should be linked in the LP in some capacity if at all possible. Nothing gets me more hyped for a Pokemon fight than Pika Cup music. 100% serious. If I could get that to play while I'm doing ordinary life stuff I would probably become awesome at everything. Edit: Oh, there's multiple Pika Cup tracks. I mean the first one.
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I remember getting the N64 that came bundled with this game for Christmas. I must've played it for the next 48 hours straight. Honestly I probably played GB Tower and the minigames more than the actual Stadium eventually. I don't remember if I ever managed to beat Gym Leader Castle. Favorite announcer quote is "Down before the word go!"
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Jun 27, 2018 16:57
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Kind of a dick move to bundle this with an N64, isn't it? "Enjoy your new N64, but only if you already bought Pokemon on Game Boy."
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magikid posted:Kind of a dick move to bundle this with an N64, isn't it? I was able to beat gym leader castle up until Sabrina with rentals.  And of course there's the challenge cup where your team is completely randomly generated for you.
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Jun 27, 2018 22:20
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magikid posted:Kind of a dick move to bundle this with an N64, isn't it? There's still the mini-games and a child's confidence you can win with rentals. (You probably won't, but kids will keep trying.)
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I wasnt even aware i wasnt supposed to be able to win with them. I just thought the game was balls hard
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magikid posted:Kind of a dick move to bundle this with an N64, isn't it? There's the minigames, and the actual stadium modes which can absolutely be completed with rentals. Plus, as a kid, I didn't necessarily need to beat everything to have fun with it. Even if I lost one of the Cups, as long as it wasn't a total stomp I still enjoyed my time with it. Unrelated "back when I was a child playing this game" story... I remember the first time I won one of the Cups. I was used to the level 50 cup, and being a kid and not reading the full move descriptions I was under the impression that Seismic Toss was like Dragon Rage and Sonicboom and did a set 50 damage. Final pokemon of the final match of the cup, and the enemy has more than 50 HP. I was using Snorlax I believe. Again, I was a stupid child so the idea of using any other physical move to take advantage of high Attack was beyond me. So I went for Seismic Toss as a hail mary. Well this was actually the level 100 cup, and to my complete disbelieve I KO'd the enemy and won. I was sure that the game must have felt how much I wanted to win.
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