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forkboy84 posted:Raab just said "if the EU want a deal they need to get serious" and I'm screaming at my TV that when one party has all the leverage in a negotiation they don't need to make the big compromises. How are the #FBPE crew taking this?
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Chucat posted:How are the #FBPE crew taking this?
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Not Operator posted:Think about what the brexit situation was like when you last checked in. Anyone who last checked in after the NI backstop was agreed but before May tore it up at Chequers might get the impression that literally any progress whatsoever has happened, which it hasn't.
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Laura Kuenssberg seems to be under the impression that May is just trying to grt through conference by saying whatever is necessary before crawling to the EU with some kind of compromise. It also seems likely that the next major negotiations with the EU that were due for November will be pushed back to January, which... *tugs collar*
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Oct 1, 2018 14:55
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I know it's the Tory conference but it is kinda funny how instead of crowing about how irrelevant Labour are they're each basically doing a five minute hate about Emmanuel Corbsteen for a set period each speech.
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Tesseraction posted:I know it's the Tory conference but it is kinda funny how instead of crowing about how irrelevant Labour are they're each basically doing a five minute hate about Emmanuel Corbsteen for a set period each speech. They do this all the time because they have nothing. They can't talk about how much better they'd make things because they wouldn't. So they have to talk about how much worse labour will be.
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Junior G-man posted:Raab telling the Tory conf that the eu must get serious about Brexit is so unbelievably This is pretty much the narrative they've been pushing for 18 months now though? Oh we are negotiating in good faith and Barmy Brussels is doing nothing! Oh we offered borderless solutions for Ireland but Barmy Brussels shot the, down! Etc etc, it's why the tabloid headlines have pushed this poo poo so hard too, to set up a nice stabbed in the back story for why you've got to queue 4 hours for a mouldy turnip.
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Oct 1, 2018 15:11
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Well, another two figures from my childhood gone: https://twitter.com/BBCNewsEnts/status/1046725362590339072 https://twitter.com/alistaircoleman/status/1046742616577134592 And the rule of threes working much quicker than normal: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1046748388946038784
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Oct 1, 2018 15:13
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MikeCrotch posted:Laura Kuenssberg seems to be under the impression that May is just trying to grt through conference by saying whatever is necessary before crawling to the EU with some kind of compromise. Well... yeah? No deal is gonna be terrible and no matter how much they try and spin it as the EU's fault, unless we get a war to distract everyone there'll be a distinct lack of Great Success and the Tories are gonna get blamed The flip side of "no deal is better than a bad deal" is that any deal with the EU must therefore be good, so when May throws herself on the mercy of Brussels and cries SAVE ME she can come back saying good news, we agreed stuff and it's good now, just like when Cameron fixed the EU That's assuming she doesn't just resign of course, just like when Cameron fixed the EU
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Oct 1, 2018 15:14
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May will never resign: she's spent her entire life getting into that chair and to a certain kind of politician the power and privilege will always outweigh the speaking fees washed up PMs can command. She'll have to be forced out either by GE or party revolt.
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Oct 1, 2018 15:17
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CUNT CORPORATIONS!TAX!!
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Oct 1, 2018 15:19
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quote:More widely on Labour Gove said, applause: That's some unexpected high praise for Jeremy Corbyn, there.
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Oct 1, 2018 15:22
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Lol https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1046730917929250816?s=19
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Oct 1, 2018 15:27
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Hmm yes the speed limit is the issue https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1046741070422437891?s=19
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Kassad posted:That's some unexpected high praise for Jeremy Corbyn, there. lol they're legitimately terrified atm
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V. Illych L. posted:lol they're legitimately terrified atm who would have seen that pushing all of your policies to benefit the old wouldn't pan out indefinitely
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Oct 1, 2018 15:33
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some solid shade from the Graun live blod herequote:Next up to speak is Ruth Davidson, leader of the Scottish Tories and a perennial conference favourite, mainly as she’s one of the very few senior Conservatives who knows how to properly deliver a speech. She gets a rousing reception, even though TV cutaway shots seem to show the conference hall is by no means full of delegates.
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Oct 1, 2018 15:35
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It’s extremely fitting that Labour conference seems like a proper festival punctuated by more political speeches than usual, and that Tory conference is basically synonymous with a wake for a really racist white guy.
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Tesseraction posted:who would have seen that pushing all of your policies to benefit the old wouldn't pan out indefinitely 
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Oct 1, 2018 15:41
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Is it not full because there are no Tories, or because Davidson is a lesbian? Unrelated but I got into an argument with a friend recently about how godawful JK Rowling is. Easy to point to her trying to get street cred by making HP "progressive" by making Dumbledore gay etc...but is there any summary of her actual awful political beliefs and takes?
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Oct 1, 2018 15:44
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winegums posted:Is it not full because there are no Tories, or because Davidson is a lesbian? she's much less awful than the average brit
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Oct 1, 2018 15:47
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winegums posted:is there any summary of her actual awful political beliefs and takes? She appears to have helpfully published an autobiographical list of them quite recently.
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Oct 1, 2018 15:47
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winegums posted:Is it not full because there are no Tories, or because Davidson is a lesbian? Jfc if you dont know why someone is bad or how to demonstrate it then dont say they are. Its intellectually dishonest. There is no Mao’s little red book to consult every time a name crops up that you know in your gut might be bad but can’t remember why. Thats a real weird way to engage in argument.
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Oct 1, 2018 15:50
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rowling's a terf
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winegums posted:Is it not full because there are no Tories, or because Davidson is a lesbian? probably a bit of both Rakosi posted:Jfc if you dont know why someone is bad otoh sometimes you can tell how someone is awful just by a casual reading of their posts like you, for instance
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Oct 1, 2018 15:52
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Rakosi posted:Jfc if you dont know why someone is bad or how to demonstrate it then dont say they are. Its intellectually dishonest. I can certainly see why you would be afraid of people trusting that little sense in the back of their head that says "I vaguely remember this person being a knobhead but can't quite remember why."
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Gum posted:rowling's a terf not just a TERF, but specifically went TERF to spite Corbyn also she's racist as poo poo, see her anti-Semitic banker goblins, her making an Asian character called "Cho Chang" and Nagini is an Indonesian snake played by a Korean woman because "it's all Asia" also she backed Jonny Depp once it was revealed he was a domestic abuser
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Oct 1, 2018 15:54
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OwlFancier posted:I can certainly see why you would be afraid of people trusting that little sense in the back of their head that says "I vaguely remember this person being a knobhead but can't quite remember why." This is really more “i think i heard this person was actually surprisingly less wholesome than you’d expect, in what ways is this true?” confirmation bias Jk rowling could be a complete oval office for all i care but its weird af to consult the internet for your zingers to take back to your friend. Like, do your research but dont ask people to do it for you and then tell you it second hand. You’d think this thread would be wary of that kind of skullduggery
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Rakosi posted:Jfc if you dont know why someone is bad or how to demonstrate it then dont say they are. Its intellectually dishonest. I'm aware of lots of bits and pieces she's done and said that have wound me up, but it's mixed in a big sea of lovely political takes and of them all in one place would be good. e: just like I put you on ignore for badposting, but can't remember why.
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Oct 1, 2018 15:57
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 it's happening AGAIN https://twitter.com/syalrajeev/status/1046764699478618113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Oct 1, 2018 15:57
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Rakosi posted:This is really more “i think i heard this person was actually surprisingly less wholesome than you’d expect, in what ways is this true?” confirmation bias doing research can involve asking people what they know
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Tesseraction posted:
Seems to me if we gently caress with the foundation a bit, the conversatives are ruined? a good cartoon?
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Rakosi posted:Like, do your research but dont ask people to do it for you and then tell you it second hand. Sounds like individualist talk to me.
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Gum posted:doing research can involve asking people what they know times like this rather missing ober why'd he have to go get murdered by a cucked yank
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Oct 1, 2018 16:02
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Yeah I don't think she's actually History's Greatest Monster or anything, but the amount of effort she puts into trying to look extremely progressive and woke really emphasises that she's actually a bit of a poo poo. And, being an incredibly vocal and opinionated poo poo with legions of adoring fans kind of amplifies the effects of her lovely opinions. Basically, she's just a total hypocrite: pretends to be woke as gently caress when actually a bit racist and apparently a TERF (I did not know that), virulently New Labour despite only being able to get rich herself due to a welfare system which New Labour dismantled.
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Oct 1, 2018 16:03
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I definitely think she's history's greatest monster. I certainly can't think of any other historical monsters who are quite as annoying to me at this moment.
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Rakosi posted:This is really more “i think i heard this person was actually surprisingly less wholesome than you’d expect, in what ways is this true?” confirmation bias Rowling had liked TERF bullshit, is completely blind to her own racism/antisemitism (which is on the gentle Liberal side as opposed to full on white power but that's not high praise) while making GBS threads on other people (especially corbyn) for lesser offenses and agreed to cast Depp who is a domestic abuser (and then backed him iirc) in her movies despite supposedly being a feminist. gently caress Rowling. Now remind me why I remember you being an rear end? Are you a ukmt visiting nazi or one of the I/P trolls?
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Also, vaguely remembering that you reached an opinion without remembering the reasons for reaching it is pretty loving normal, and asking around to check when you can't remember what the reasons are is actually cool and good and the kinds of people who do that tend to be right more often.
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Psh, ya all know exactly what i mean. No way that dude gonna do anything more than repeat what you guys tell him with a request like that. Doesnt matter if you’re wrong or right about JK its just weird to have someone ask you for the words to reply to someone with rather than the knowledge of an issue. It makes your ‘beliefs’ about an issue vacuous and disingenuous if you copy paste them from internet forums. Ps im definitely not a nazi or troll i promise
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