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Rinkles posted:Kinda a deeper philosophical question here, but how would you rehabilitate a mr weinstein in that sort of system? Promote acceptance for people of the Mutant Dick N' Balls community.
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Yes I'm glad he's going to prison but prison rape and prison violence in general is partly why our system is so poo poo and produces criminals that come out more violent than going in.
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Rinkles posted:Kinda a deeper philosophical question here, but how would you rehabilitate a mr weinstein in that sort of system? Who knows but most convicts are not Weinsteins nor were able to carry out their crimes because of any power, financial or otherwise, they held over others.
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DarkSoulsTantrum posted:Have you been alive for very long? Evil has been winning prettily handily for quite some time now. nonsense
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Who knows but most convicts are not Weinsteins nor were able to carry out their crimes because of any power, financial or otherwise, they held over others. hey booger baby how's your day you're a good poster
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i guess this is a case of a good old case a classic who started it what hurt was done to the man how bad his decision is or is not you're judging or seeing something that's not there the rules: don't hurt yourself or others
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i don't believe in evil or negativity just mistakes that we all make so it starts from 0 and it goes as far after that as it needs levels of good, doing a better job (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rinkles posted:Kinda a deeper philosophical question here, but how would you rehabilitate a mr weinstein in that sort of system? You can always rehabilitate the basic biological building blocks...
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also fake news
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Who knows but most convicts are not Weinsteins nor were able to carry out their crimes because of any power, financial or otherwise, they held over others. So let's convert the system to a rehabilitative model with the following exception: On conviction for a felony if your personal wealth exceeds x percentage of median wealth compared to the rest of the population you do not pass go and report directly to 
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My god could you imagine the US if they had the like Norwegian Playstation and golf prisons.
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The_Continental posted:My god could you imagine the US if they had the like Norwegian Playstation and golf prisons. i like this post
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But then what would all those private prisons do without their state-subsidized slave labour 
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Think of the number! That's the real crime, depriving it of the free labor of these miscreants and tramps!
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ChubbyChecker posted:court drawings: I'm the bailiff
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Rinkles posted:Kinda a deeper philosophical question here, but how would you rehabilitate a mr weinstein in that sort of system? This sentence is also getting some play in the schadenfreude thread, which it should, because I am drinking rich schadenfreude at this fat poopy gently caress's conviction. Suck it loser.
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All Im seeing now is the mermaid in The Lighthouse. But with stink lines.
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US prison system is broken but what good would it be to rehabilitate a disgusting monster like Harvey Weinstein? You need to look at prisons as providing a public good. Weinstein isn't any good to anyone outside of prison. What's he going to do? make more films and more money so he has even more agency to perpetrate sexual violence? In any society you're going to have a percentage of people that use their influence, wealth, physical strength, intellect, etc. to take advantage of others. Prisons suck because they concentrate all of those people into one place.
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The_Continental posted:US prison system is broken but what good would it be to rehabilitate a disgusting monster like Harvey Weinstein? You need to look at prisons as providing a public good. Weinstein isn't any good to anyone outside of prison. What's he going to do? make more films and more money so he has even more agency to perpetrate sexual violence? In any society you're going to have a percentage of people that use their influence, wealth, physical strength, intellect, etc. to take advantage of others. Prisons suck because they concentrate all of those people into one place. The point is that barbaric and archaic practices and standards in the prison system need to be wholesale abolished and replaced with effective measures that address the majority of cases for the common good and the very notion of destroying "monsters" or it being a means of the government channeling public anger and resentment through the prison system is a symptom of a sick society that cares more about base emotional satisfaction and vengeance over pragmatism and humanity. So basically in that system Weinstein would serve a long, long sentence but he wouldn't be subject to the hell on earth that modern American prisons are because there is literally no point to it other than making us happy to see that people who "deserve" it being harmed. That desire is entirely incongruent and incompatible with a healthy justice system. They cannot exist together. Our prison system in this country is just a reflection of our social mores and customs. People here are vengeful and umempathetic pricks who look for short term satisfaction over longterm results, so the prison system is the same. If you want a good justice system you'll just have to accept the fact that people like Weinstein are allowed to live in humane conditions for two decades or until they die so that hundreds of other people can get the real help and rehabilitation they need. In the end we will have less victims of violence in the world. Fair exchange.
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The "US prisons need to rehabilitate" crowd need to realize that prisons have psychologists, social workers, medical staff, and parole officers in place for this reason. The system needs to rehabilitate, but inmates need to take personal responsibility for their actions before that can happen. As someone who's been close to the CJ system, I'll say that there is definitely a "prison culture" of denial, deflection, and minimization of offences. In order for "rehabilitation" to begin individuals need to accept that they have agency in their own lives and part of that is admission and acceptance that their own actions have been (often extremely) harmful to others. Very few inmates have this ability, and if they do, they don't want to play along.
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The_Continental posted:The "US prisons need to rehabilitate" crowd need to realize that prisons have psychologists, social workers, medical staff, and parole officers in place for this reason. The system needs to rehabilitate, but inmates need to take personal responsibility for their actions before that can happen. As someone who's been close to the CJ system, I'll say that there is definitely a "prison culture" of denial, deflection, and minimization of offences. In order for "rehabilitation" to begin individuals need to accept that they have agency in their own lives and part of that is admission and acceptance that their own actions have been (often extremely) harmful to others. Very few inmates have this ability, and if they do, they don't want to play along. No one disagrees with that, but the system here is increasingly privatized and used for slave labor while practicing human rights abuses and formenting environments that produce violent criminals. The current method doesn't work and in fact is counter productive. Also how is anything you said an excuse for brutalizing prisoners and inhumane conditions?
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:No one disagrees with that, but the system here is increasingly privatized and used for slave labor while practicing human rights abuses and formenting environments that produce violent criminals. The current method doesn't work and in fact is counter productive. I never said anything calling for the brutalization of prisoners, actually. I'm against prison violence. I just believe that man of Weinstein's caliber should be effectively removed from civil society and not be offered counselling and rehab opportunities.
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The_Continental posted:I never said anything calling for the brutalization of prisoners, actually. I'm against prison violence. I just believe that man of Weinstein's caliber should be effectively removed from civil society and not be offered counselling and rehab opportunities. I can agree with that, given the severity of offenses, the age of the perpetrator, and the likelihood of meaningful rehabilitation, some people are just better off in institutions. The institutions just can't be monstrous.
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Besides Tom Hanks (God rest his soul) are most of Hollywood people terrible human beings?
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Outpost22 posted:Besides Tom Hanks (God rest his soul) are most of Hollywood people terrible human beings? A lot of them are rich so yes.
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AkumaHokoru posted:dont be so sure about this one. lifers will be the first ones to try to violate him as they have nothing to lose and everything to gain from doing it. Especially if he has a vagina
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The_Continental posted:My god could you imagine the US if they had the like Norwegian Playstation and golf prisons. https://www.businessinsider.com/japan-aging-prison-2018-3 Elderly people in Japan are getting arrested on purpose because they want to go to prison Some senior citizens in Japan are intentionally committing petty crimes because they view life in jail as better than life outside In prisons, one out of every five inmates is a senior citizen. And in many cases — nine out of 10, for senior women — the crime that lands them in jail is petty shoplifting.
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JK Fresco posted:https://www.businessinsider.com/japan-aging-prison-2018-3 Old person prison.
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The_Continental posted:The system needs to rehabilitate, but inmates need to take personal responsibility for their actions before that can happen.
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The_Continental posted:US prison system is broken but what good would it be to rehabilitate a disgusting monster like Harvey Weinstein? You need to look at prisons as providing a public good. Weinstein isn't any good to anyone outside of prison. What's he going to do? make more films and more money so he has even more agency to perpetrate sexual violence? In any society you're going to have a percentage of people that use their influence, wealth, physical strength, intellect, etc. to take advantage of others. Prisons suck because they concentrate all of those people into one place. I agree that it's a bad idea to gather a group of people together with shared backgrounds, isolate them for years, expect them to conform to an artificial system of rules and inputs and then expect something good to come from them.
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Chomp8645 posted:Promote acceptance for people of the Mutant Dick N' Balls community. this would be one hell of a redemption arc for Harvey Weinstein!
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was he the guy that jacked it into a pot plant? and made some lady watch? i'm confusing my hollywood sex pests, there's so many
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toggle posted:was he the guy that jacked it into a pot plant? and made some lady watch? i'm confusing my hollywood sex pests, there's so many yup https://www.huffpost.com/entry/weinstein-sexual-harassment-allegation_n_59d7ea3de4b046f5ad984211
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:I can agree with that, given the severity of offenses, the age of the perpetrator, and the likelihood of meaningful rehabilitation, some people are just better off in institutions. The institutions just can't be monstrous. Yeah I think we probably agree far more than we disagree.
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:The point is that barbaric and archaic practices and standards in the prison system need to be wholesale abolished and replaced with effective measures that address the majority of cases for the common good and the very notion of destroying "monsters" or it being a means of the government channeling public anger and resentment through the prison system is a symptom of a sick society that cares more about base emotional satisfaction and vengeance over pragmatism and humanity. Did u stop smoking pot or something?
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Burt Sexual posted:Did u stop smoking pot or something? No what never
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The_Continental posted:US prison system is broken but what good would it be to rehabilitate a disgusting monster like Harvey Weinstein? Well for starters people wouldn't be getting raped by him and he wouldn't be a drain on the system so it's a win/win. If you care more about punishment than the prevention of further crimes then I guess your way works.
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