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Terebus posted:Wow, you sure have a normal view of the world that's totally not tainted by consuming wayyyy too many cop shooting videos on twitter. I'm posting because there's a lot of people denying reality. I also don't base my worldview on immediately assuming every officer is a racist gang member because that's not what's actually happening in the real world. Well, cops that speak out to the contrary seem to be hard to find. Most of them seem pretty fine gassing up protests and standing behind the "Blue Line". So many times in these cop videos you just see fellow officers standing there not doing much or actively cheering the violence on. Commissions and investigations into police forces always seem to find a non insignificant number of openly racist and far right officers everywhere they look. Then you get to the courtrooms and judges and the system continually provides harsher sentencing and more frequent convictions to people of color. It's hard not think the rot extends down the whole tree. https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/what-100-years-of-history-tells-us-about-racism-in-policing/ https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3924852-White-Supremacist-Extremism-JIB.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/#DeathPenalty
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Terebus posted:Wow, you sure have a normal view of the world that's totally not tainted by consuming wayyyy too many cop shooting videos on twitter. I'm posting because there's a lot of people denying reality. I also don't base my worldview on immediately assuming every officer is a racist gang member because that's not what's actually happening in the real world. OK, buddy, take a deep breath and try to control your hyperbolic hysteria. Nobody is saying that every cop is a racist gang member, but anyone living in reality can recognize that the most extreme actions by American cops are often racist and that the sort of closed ranks protection that cops provide for each other resemble the actions of gangsters. And nobody called you a Nazi, you're at best a neo-Nazi. The difference is subtle, but we can all imagine how your hairstyle and clothing differs, even if your rhetoric is the same. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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It's hard to picture the "just asking questions" schtick as anything but a bad faith attempt to sow FUD. They're asking you not to believe your lying eyes in order to further their narrative. Folks who understandably don't want to watch the video of someone being killed won't know which side to believe and favor whichever jives with their existing assumptions. Good faith folks who have watched will question themselves and possibly not want to come off like an rear end in a top hat for calling out the gaslighting. To lurkers who haven't watched the video, please do take a moment if you can. It's awful, but it's also pretty drat clear cut and you're better off steeling yourself to face it and judging for yourselves.
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Famethrowa posted:They are brave people who are fighting against immense institutional pressure and still are to this day. I'm baffled that you think things have significantly changed, when we have multiple officer shootings of children the past two weeks. We got lucky, that one of these murderers felt so emboldened about killing a black man, that he did it so publicly, so egregiously. that even his comrades were willing to break the wall of blue and allow him to be sentenced. I do think things have significantly changed since the days of US slavery, yes. I'm pretty sure back then no one would have batted an eye at a black person getting lynched. You can be as negative as you want, but the US has made significant progress when it comes to civil rights and there's still a long road ahead. Pretending like the US is the exact same country it was even 20 years ago is pointlessly naive.
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I've looked at the video multiple times and this doesn't really look like a case where the cop obviously did something wrong. The deceased was charging one person and then another person with a knife. But I will say that the cops always have a choice. I've lived in Singapore, a city with next to no violent crime. In one incident, police responded to a call and the guy ended up charging them with a knife. They opted to disarm him rather than use tasers or firearms. It led to one officer getting stabbed in the thigh. But everyone emerged alive. Probably everyone will have their own opinion on what's the right thing to do. But when there's low community trust of police, they probably should err on the side of less fatal methods.
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Terebus posted:I do think things have significantly changed since the days of US slavery, yes. I'm pretty sure back then no one would have batted an eye at a black person getting lynched. You can be as negative as you want, but the US has made significant progress when it comes to civil rights and there's still a long road ahead. Pretending like the US is the exact same country it was even 20 years ago is pointlessly naive. I think it's tremendously pedantic and tedious to argue that folks are being hyperbolic about institution racism because, on some imagined sliding scale you have in your head, we are 5%? 10%? less racist then a half generation ago. and, have to say, saying that things are better because we no longer are performing lynchings....is also ignoring the fact that we have had literal unsolved lynchings in the last 50 years. Famethrowa fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Vegetable posted:I've looked at the video multiple times and this doesn't really look like a case where the cop obviously did something wrong. Put yourself in the place of the lady in pink. Who do you figure was a more likely fatal threat, knife girl or gun cop? Would you rather have a white American cop unloading his pistol in your direction or some lady stumbling at you with a knife?
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Famethrowa posted:I think it's tremendously pedantic and tedious to argue that folks are being hyperbolic about institution racism because, on some imagined sliding scale you have in your head, we are 5%? 10%? less racist then a half generation ago. That’s a whole lot less lynchings than hundred years ago. that’s all. We are headed to a better direction.
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Vahakyla posted:That’s a whole lot less lynchings than hundred years ago. that’s all. We are headed to a better direction. sure. but let's not scold others for being angry at just how far we still have to go.
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Terebus posted:These two posts are kind of scary, its weird how some posters have been conditioned by selective content to think that all police officers are raging racists just waiting to pull the trigger on black people. Policing needs major reform in the west to root out systemic racism and abuse of power, but trying to find racism in every interaction that police have with black people is incredibly harmful. 2) A Black person still died and police were shouting Blue Lives Matters. Once again, one incident should not fully shade the other, I think it's silly to accuse people of reading racism into it. Even if the cop is Officer McWoke, of course you can read racism into it because racism is a system not a mental illness of some people. Lots of Black people die by the police while legitimately doing wrong or dangerous things. The reason they are disproportionately killed is still rooted in racism in one way or another. 3) Not everyone lives fully online lives dude. Some of us have actually been in the protests and seen poo poo. Some posters are Black and have actually experienced the daily subtle weight of policing. For me, I am a white teacher, but I teach Black and Brown kids. My feelings on cops are not rooted in "selective content." They are rooted in teaching amazing kids who are traumatized by cops who come from mostly white enclaves on Long Island treat them like assumed criminals and not the amazing people they are and at best take part in community policing efforts where they interrupt my loving class of actual intellectual debate to lecture them on how they might be tried as adults if they commit a crime. And then shake their head at me when the kids get bored and start talking over them because I can't "Control" them. My feelings on cops are rooted when I was mugged by a Black kid when I was seventeen and I just wanted to naively make a police report and the police bullied me into the back of the police car, randomly drove me around, and tried to pressure me to say a random kid crossing the street was the one who did it. It's rooted in my Uncle who was a cop explaining to me and my cousin how to interact with cops at traffic stops because he was literally terrified of some of the people he worked with. And look, you're right that none of that should mean I should drat this one actual human being who legitimately was in a tough scenario. I dunno him, I don't fully understand the situation, and I should have phrased my stuff better. But remember that you're talking to people on the internet and you don't know their actual experiences. I think your concern has some validity to it, but to imply that the issue it is rooted in a strictly "content" experience is condescending and unnecessary to your point. And I'm saying that recognizing that my personal lived experiences with the police that jade me are very, very minor compared to what many others experience. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Vahakyla posted:That’s a whole lot less lynchings than hundred years ago. that’s all. We are headed to a better direction.  America: Now with 40% less lynching!
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Vahakyla posted:That’s a whole lot less lynchings than hundred years ago. that’s all. We are headed to a better direction. That's one small measure. William Julius Wilson argues in his book The Truly Disadvantaged that black communities post Civil-Rights movement are actually trending in the wrong direction, arguing about the existence of what he describes as the concentration effect of poverty, where American society lifts a handful of individuals out of communities of color to strut and preen about how much it is doing to combat racism, but then leaves vast numbers behind in ever worsening conditions.
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litany of gulps posted:Put yourself in the place of the lady in pink. Who do you figure was a more likely fatal threat, knife girl or gun cop? Would you rather have a white American cop unloading his pistol in your direction or some lady stumbling at you with a knife? I'd take the word of that person and her words while talking to the police officer after that happened. Including the first words that were spoken about what happened. That she said Bryant was coming at her. Not simply "stumbling". But, hey, that's just me 
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Famethrowa posted:I think it's tremendously pedantic and tedious to argue that folks are being hyperbolic about institution racism because, on some imagined sliding scale you have in your head, we are 5%? 10%? less racist then a half generation ago. I pointed out that YOU were being hyperbolic since you stated that policing and the US haven't changed since their inception. That's a pretty accurate assessment and I'm sticking with it. I'm not going to give you a racism barometer because my point isn't that we're done with racism; my point is that statements like yours, implying that nothing has changed in a century and a half feel like they're just meant to rile up division and hate, rather than provide room for any sort of useful or constructive conversation.
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ryde posted:I think those hypotheticals are a bit unfair. You might also ask how they’d feel if the officer didn’t shoot and Ma’Khia stopped short of stabbing the girl, or how they’d feel if Ma’Khia stabbed the girl but she survived and the cop was able to subdue her non lethally. This was from last page but I really think one thing we're all missing is really this is an extreme circumstance and regardless of the other potential outcomes, the officer in the video is pretty much in multiple no win-situations. What if he doesn't fire and the other girl gets stabbed, and then dies? What if he manages to subdue Ma'Khia? Or she stops and everyone de-escalates. There are so many what ifs. But he's going to be acquitted because it's such a extreme situation where realistically he potentially took the least bad option available to him. I'd rather everyone in the video, including the cop did better and made different decisions but that isn't what happened.
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Timeless Appeal posted:1) My post was mostly based on the white supremacist rallying cry poo poo of Blue Live Matters that happened after the incident, but my intent was more that regardless if it turns out that the cop is lovely or white supremacist, there is a reasonable argument that he was in this moment trying to save a Black life. I think my phrasing could be better, I really don't know that individual cop. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you should really go watch that video in the OP. The cops at the scene were definitely not yelling "Blue Lives Matter", one of the civilians noticed a Blue Lives Matter sign or flag and was reacting to it. Timeless Appeal posted:2) A Black person still died and police were shouting Blue Lives Matters. Once again, one incident should not fully shade the other, I think it's silly to accuse people of reading racism into it. Even if the cop is Officer McWoke, of course you can read racism into it because racism is a system not a mental illness of some people. Lots of Black people die by the police while legitimately doing wrong or dangerous things. The reason they are disproportionately killed is still rooted in racism in one way or another. Hey, these are some very good points and I agree that systemic racism needs to be removed from western institutions yesterday, but I also recognize that its an incredibly difficult process that doesn't have a simple solution, rather its a prolonged push of social reform. On the other hand, I don't think that the ACAB sentiment is useful since we need policing for a modern society and radicalizing people to hate police as an institution will just lead to more lovely situations, not less. I think the reform that is happening right now in the US is the right way to go, and I just want to see it happen much faster and I don't see how treating every cop as a caricature will help with that reform.
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Terebus posted:On the other hand, I don't think that the ACAB sentiment is useful since we need policing for a modern society and radicalizing people to hate police as an institution will just lead to more lovely situations, not less. I think the reform that is happening right now in the US is the right way to go, and I just want to see it happen much faster and I don't see how treating every cop as a caricature will help with that reform. Why do we "need" policing for a modern society? What reform do you think is actually happening right now?
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Vegetable posted:I've looked at the video multiple times and this doesn't really look like a case where the cop obviously did something wrong. The deceased was charging one person and then another person with a knife. Law enforcement must be in the service of the public and that necessitates a drastic reworking of the role someone takes on when they don the uniform. It might even require scrapping some departments entirely as incorrigible, replacing them in whole or splitting up their duties to other agencies. Preventing further tragedies like this also requires a drastic investment in social programs to eliminate the circumstances that produce such bad outcomes in the first place. I can't get into the headspace of the folks outright spreading FUD thinking it will help things, though.
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Terebus posted:Hey, these are some very good points and I agree that systemic racism needs to be removed from western institutions yesterday, but I also recognize that its an incredibly difficult process that doesn't have a simple solution, rather its a prolonged push of social reform. On the other hand, I don't think that the ACAB sentiment is useful since we need policing for a modern society and radicalizing people to hate police as an institution will just lead to more lovely situations, not less. I think the reform that is happening right now in the US is the right way to go, and I just want to see it happen much faster and I don't see how treating every cop as a caricature will help with that reform. Why do you think that the incremental, almost imperceivably slow reform we've seen over the last few decades is the way to go? Why do you think that being nice to cops will make them less likely to murder people? Why do you think that people should not be radicalized when outrageous crimes are being perpetrated by the cops in front of our eyes?
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Terebus posted:I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you should really go watch that video in the OP. The cops at the scene were definitely not yelling "Blue Lives Matter", one of the civilians noticed a Blue Lives Matter sign or flag and was reacting to it. You've posted about this video a lot and I'm still confused. Why do you say that one of the civilians noticed a blue lives matter sign or flag? I don't see that in the video. From my perspective, when I first watched this video, I interpreted it as one of the cops said it before the video started, then one of the people near the person taking the video was repeating it in disbelief. Now, did one of the cops actually say it or not? Who knows. The twitter account posting this video seems to belong to a person in Portland, so I'm thinking it's not the same person as the video taker. So... I'm not 100% sure of the actual context of it, but that's how I interpreted it. I just wanted to share my perspective of it and how it might not be misleading. Kalit fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Vegetable posted:I've looked at the video multiple times and this doesn't really look like a case where the cop obviously did something wrong. The deceased was charging one person and then another person with a knife. good to know that threatening people with a knife is a capital offence in your world and that the police are certified judge, jury, and executioner
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Homora Gaykemi posted:good to know that threatening people with a knife is a capital offence in your world and that the police are certified judge, jury, and executioner They are not. Nobody is saying that. It was simply an emergency in self defence, not a judgement of guilt. The police should not use force for punishment, only as an emergency resort to prevent greater harm.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Hi, because this is a heated subject, I'm going to queue big fat probations for anyone who posts like a dipshit in this thread. Reposting this warning Also arguing whether any police should exist at all, belongs in the 'gently caress the police: defund/abolish' thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3926317 Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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forbidden dialectics posted:Why do we "need" policing for a modern society? What reform do you think is actually happening right now? Because people are not rational actors and we need an impartial organization that prevents eye for an eye scenarios. Theres a bunch of examples at all levels of govenment. Biden has started a push but it hasn't gotten anywhere yet, congress and senate are in talks but federally movement is pretty slow. Maryland is about to eliminate extra police protections, theres movment to remove qualified immunity in various states. On a city level, theres lots of movement within city councils about police funding and other community resources. That's off the top of my head.
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Terebus posted:I pointed out that YOU were being hyperbolic since you stated that policing and the US haven't changed since their inception. That's a pretty accurate assessment and I'm sticking with it. I'm not going to give you a racism barometer because my point isn't that we're done with racism; my point is that statements like yours, implying that nothing has changed in a century and a half feel like they're just meant to rile up division and hate, rather than provide room for any sort of useful or constructive conversation. I never claimed that the US and policing has stayed the same. In fact, yes, I agree it has changed. It's true: You can't legally bar a black person from owning a house in a specific neighborhood (Lake Forest, a wealthy white neighborhood near Chicago, ended it's anti-Black housing covenants in 1990), but red lining and blockbusting has redrawn lines of segregation. We no longer have slavecatcher patrols, but the police still disproportionally pulls over and harasses black motorists for minor offenses. We don't have mass organized lynchings, but white strangers will still threaten and occasionally murder PoC on the streets. The legal framework of Jim Crow has been dismantled, yet a common lived experience of the PoC in our nation is feeling like a second class citizen. So, yes, I do still think we are a society in which whites have supremacy. The police, as a part of that society, both reinforce and replicate the former.
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Terebus posted:I mentioned this in my big post but I want to single this out because I've seen posters repeat it as if its gospel. The bald guy on the left in the video is the one who's saying Blue Lives Matter, and then he goes on to say "Crazy! It's an insult especially at this place right now". Listen to the video yourselves, don't buy into twitter or other propaganda. Stop repeating bullshit. If you actually pay attention and listen to all the audio in the clip the first thing that can be heard is someone (sounds like a radio to me) saying something that sounds like "show your <something> blue lives matter" at about the 1-2s mark then the lady filming says "uh yes" then the guy on the left yells back "Blue Lives Matter! Crazy!" and it goes on from there. The bald guy on the left, yelling back, is definitely not who they're referring to.
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Terebus posted:Because people are not rational actors and we need an impartial organization that prevents eye for an eye scenarios. I'm sorry are you describing the police here as an "impartial organization" or am I misreading this
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Terebus posted:Because people are not rational actors and we need an impartial organization that prevents eye for an eye scenarios. There is no such thing as impartial.
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It's some seriously American exceptionalist poo poo to see bad policing and conclude:forbidden dialectics posted:Why do we "need" policing for a modern society? What reform do you think is actually happening right now? 
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Kalit posted:You've posted about this video a lot and I'm still confused. Why do you say that one of the civilians noticed a blue lives matter sign or flag? I don't see that in the video. RandomBlue posted:If you actually pay attention and listen to all the audio in the clip the first thing that can be heard is someone (sounds like a radio to me) saying something that sounds like "show your <something> blue lives matter" at about the 1-2s mark then the lady filming says "uh yes" then the guy on the left yells back "Blue Lives Matter! Crazy!" and it goes on from there. When I listen to it I only hear the bald guy on the left saying Blue Lives Matter but I didn't listen with headphones. I'm very open to being wrong on this one, I'm just not convinced that the cops yelled blew lives matter based on that video.
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Fister Roboto posted:Why do you think that the incremental, almost imperceivably slow reform we've seen over the last few decades is the way to go? Why do you think that being nice to cops will make them less likely to murder people? Why do you think that people should not be radicalized when outrageous crimes are being perpetrated by the cops in front of our eyes? Famethrowa posted:<snip> The way I see it, over the last 100+ years, there have been significant improvements in the lives of minorities in the US. But, since the war on drugs started, black people have faced increasing discrimination which is finally visible to the general public now. I believe that once the US, through protest, reform, and social movements, removes the systems in place that encourages discrimination against minorities, we'll see a much fairer and more equitable society. It's not an easy or quick change because these are systems that have been in place for centuries, but it's happening. You can be frustrated that it's happening very slowly and I'm right along there with you, these problems should be fixed yesterday. That's not reality though and the only thing that will get the US there is perseverance and organized political action. My question for the both of you is what do you think this incredibly adversarial attitude towards all police will achieve?
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PT6A posted:You know how, about a lot of things, we say "oh wow, this is a systemic problem?" This is probably one of those things. We can debate the last 7 seconds of this poor child's life forever, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the more tractable problems are: "how does a 16-year-old foster child come to be involved in a knife fight?" Because, if you prevent that, you've prevented this shooting. Yes, this. We had cops kill a guy who had knives here a few years ago, and based on the news coverage at the time it sounded to me like by the time things were at the point of "disturbed man charges cops with knives", shooting might be the only outcome, but the fact that things got to that far represents a systemic failure. The US is really bad at taking care of people in poverty, and children and the elderly get shafted the hardest.
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I mean for all the back and forth and bad faith stuff calling people Nazis for calling out the bullshit, there was a shooting like just a week ago where a 13 year old boy was shot while he had his hands up, and a decades+ veteran claims they made a whoopsie and unloaded their gun when they thought it was a taser. All the insane theorycrafting and alternative facts like claiming the witnesses were coerced on the bodycam is just paranoid ranting. There's way more going on beyond this specific shooting of a girl swinging a knife around that you can point to as the real problem. pentyne fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Speaking only for myself here, but the reason for the "paranoid" response of certain people is because of events like those you mention. Essentially no-one trusts what police say, and it has become axiomatic to believe that the police are lying bastards who will murder PoC and children for little to no reason. So you have a situation where people go "oh this could be argued to be fine" and it just sets off those same warning sirens that you'd feel if people justified the shooting of Adam Toledo.
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