|
Marshal Prolapse posted:These other two do have that. These two kind of follow the news broadcast format that you’ve seen in a lot of fake news edits for movies or other entertainment. I came to post exactly these two. also The War Game doesn't appear to be on YouTube but it's worth a watch if you can find it, it's a predecessor to Threads
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 18:06
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 01:59 |
|
|
wilderthanmild posted:I wonder how far along ICBM defense systems are. Missile wise, it's not too different than an anti-satellite missile. However, the difficulty appears to be in guidance and targeting. In 2020 the US successfully intercepted an ICBM with a missile launched from a cruiser, but since it's fairly new I'm guessing the system would be overwhelmed with hundreds of missiles in a full exchange. A singIe ICBM with MIRV deploys like 10 nukes and counter measures at the same time. you need ten interceptor rockets for every single ICBM. the way to defeat defense systems is to just drop a few extra nukes
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 18:24
|
|
|
wilderthanmild posted:I wonder how far along ICBM defense systems are. Missile wise, it's not too different than an anti-satellite missile. However, the difficulty appears to be in guidance and targeting. In 2020 the US successfully intercepted an ICBM with a missile launched from a cruiser, but since it's fairly new I'm guessing the system would be overwhelmed with hundreds of missiles in a full exchange.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 20:02
|
|
|
we should just install our own bombs under any city with more than 0.5 million population, and distribute detonator buttons to each of our adversaries, and they will do the same for us this will be much cheaper than the current plan, and we can use the savings to care for the homeless, sick, and hungry. this is my political platform, and i am registering to run right now. please vote for me.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 20:05
|
|
|
Bad Purchase posted:we should just install our own bombs under any city with more than 0.5 million population, and distribute detonator buttons to each of our adversaries, and they will do the same for us that was a good episode of star trek
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 20:50
|
|
|
Rutibex posted:A singIe ICBM with MIRV deploys like 10 nukes and counter measures at the same time. you need ten interceptor rockets for every single ICBM. the way to defeat defense systems is to just drop a few extra nukes This makes sense. I assumed it would be intercepted before the MIRVs separate, but it looks like that's fairly early in the process so yeah, you'd need to intercept each MIRV. It's worth noting that a significant portion of the Russian ICBMs are not MIRVs, but the majority of the warheads themselves would be coming from MIRVs. So let's do some math, SM-3 missiles can intercept ICBMs, at least according to that 2020 test. These are launched from cruisers and destroyers equipped with Aegis BMS(which from what I can find is separate but related to the main Aegis system?). As of 2017 there were 5 cruisers(120 cells each) and 28 Destroyers(90 cells each) meaning possible up to 2520 interceptor missiles, though I imagine the majority of those cells would be filled with other missiles like standard ground to air missiles. How many of these missiles are there even? Well in 2018 there were ~265 of them in the hands of the navy. While both of those numbers may likely have gone up, it's not likely to have gone up by an order of magnitude. There is also the GMD, which has been successful and intercepting test missiles as well, but there are only 44 of those. Obviously, the Russians don't publish an exact number of ICBM delivered warheads they have but you can make a guestimate based on adding up other estimates of numbers of various missiles in service each multiplied by their maximum number of MIRVs. This is kind of hairy because some of the things I got ended up with things like more active sub launched ICBMs than space on subs to launce them, but whatever, it's a guestimate. I won't post the breakdown here, but I end up with ~1800 ICBM delivered warheads. So, yeah, at least from known and estimated numbers the US could only intercept a portion of the incoming warheads. Something like 15% if every interceptor hit a warhead. At the cost of an SM-3 missile, theoretically you could spend around 1/5th of the total US defense budget on them and you'd probably be able to build enough of them? Elukka posted:Not far along enough to matter for significant arsenals. This is not a bad thing, because no nuclear country is going to accept their arsenal becoming invalid. In the best case, significant defenses would lead to an immediate nuclear arms race. In the worst case, it would lead to nuclear war, because someone thinks they're at a point where they can win it, or someone attempts a pre-emptive strike to prevent sufficient defenses from coming online. In any case, deterrents would be eroded, which would be a seriously destabilizing influence. Yeah, this is a good reason NOT to build thousands of these interceptor missiles. I think the actual intention of these interception systems right now is stuff like North Korea just barely making an ICBM and deciding to launch it at the US, not "winning" a full exchange and shooting down thousands of warheads. wilderthanmild fucked around with this message at 21:03 on May 3, 2022 |
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:00
|
|
|
Elukka posted:This is not a bad thing, because no nuclear country is going to accept their arsenal becoming invalid I'm pretty sure this comes out of the same rulebook where russia will never use their nukes because we have nukes too, so we can all rest easy
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:23
|
|
|
Remember where in the opening pages of the 'War in Ukraine' thread I said you were all loving morons for hand wringing about nuclear war and that that you don't have the slightest loving idea what that would look like or why you're so stupidly wrong about literally every aspect of it? WELL CONGRATULATIONS YOU'VE MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT you loving morons
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:27
|
|
|
I'm sure you'd like to be proud of yourselves and keep hand wringing though you idiots.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:28
|
|
|
Oh and the mods can probate or ban me wherin I'm wrong about your fuckers being idiots and not just butt-hurt about being called out for it you stupid assholes.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:33
|
|
|
"Ahhh a ploof doof a nuclemear mushram cloub Here's something I mash out with my idiot hands like I've never learned English before and haven't seen electric lighting" Hurm um pppffttty close this loving thread and gas it to embarrass these idiots.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:36
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:36
|
|
|
Twigand Berries posted:It is. it opens with him seeing the flashes and begins to fill his bathtub up with water. I admittedly have not seen the movie - after reading the book, I'm honestly kind of scared to. But this isn't how the book opens; it opens with the Man having a dream of some weird creature in a cave, waking and then continuing on the road with the Boy. The bathtub flashback isn't until a few dozen pages in and does describe the clocks stopping and "a light followed by dull concussions," so nuclear war is a safe bet but I don't think it's ever explicitly stated as such.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:38
|
|
|
thinkin of upgrading the refrigerator here at the ol' homestead. want one that'll be more comfortable to ride out a nuclear blast. i'm thinkin a double-wide... and maybe with a reading light and small desk for my papers, and a compact crochet station for the missus. not that i'm married, but you know, someday i might find me a lady and i think she might like to crochet.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:45
|
|
|
Keep room for two after you use the opt out button, I'll keep 'er warm for you
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:48
|
|
|
Also I'm sorry I said "your fuckers" the correct term is "YOU fuckers" and I meant it and every single one of you deserved it. My bad.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:53
|
|
|
Big Beef City posted:Also I'm sorry I said "your fuckers" the correct term is "YOU fuckers" and I meant it and every single one of you deserved it. You seem upset
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:57
|
|
|
I watched this a few days ago and is a really well done vid on just about everything having to do with nukes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uIPQBOCJ64
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:57
|
|
|
KitConstantine posted:You seem upset You should read this thread while sucking my nuts.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:58
|
|
|
I'm not saying I'm just saying actually ok I am just saying suck my fucing sack, this thread sucks and people need to post better and that includes you, now get on it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 21:59
|
|
|
I've been playing Ghost Recon Breakpoint a lot lately (not sure how I missed this game on release, it is extremely my poo poo) and there's a mission where you discover a nuclear device in an underground bunker. The design of the bomb is surprisingly accurate, with a polyhedral shape constructed of explosive lenses forming the primary implosion trigger. But, failing to disarm the bomb, you have to seal it in the bunker by detonating the primary explosive, which caught me off guard because in the game, the 'primary explosive' is a conventional-looking bomb sitting on a table nearby. I spent too long walking around the explosive lenses looking for a prompt before discovering it on the table like "hey that's not how this works." Anyway I just thought that was neat.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:04
|
|
|
I didn't know BBC was short for *Bitch, Bitch, ConstantineProbe*
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:06
|
|
|
pro starcraft loser posted:I didn't know BBC was short for *Bitch, Bitch, ConstantineProbe* I don't mind shitposting but Ideally one would provide some reason for blowing into a thread all aggro BEFORE telling me to suck their nuts. Just a preference.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:09
|
|
|
Mister Speaker posted:I've been playing Ghost Recon Breakpoint a lot lately (not sure how I missed this game on release, it is extremely my poo poo) and there's a mission where you discover a nuclear device in an underground bunker. The design of the bomb is surprisingly accurate, with a polyhedral shape constructed of explosive lenses forming the primary implosion trigger. But, failing to disarm the bomb, you have to seal it in the bunker by detonating the primary explosive, which caught me off guard because in the game, the 'primary explosive' is a conventional-looking bomb sitting on a table nearby. I spent too long walking around the explosive lenses looking for a prompt before discovering it on the table like "hey that's not how this works." Wildlands is 100x better
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:10
|
|
|
I'm honestly not sure what about this thread got BBC all worked up? I recall some of their posts in the Ukraine War thread suggesting they're firmly in the camp of "nuclear war will never, ever happen so shut up about it," which is reasonable. But we have a separate thread for it now, is that not OK? Also, wait 'til they discover the ClancyChat thread in D&D. zoux posted:Wildlands is 100x better Maybe, it didn't grip me when I bought it though. Probably my mistake for picking up Red Dead Redemption 2 at the same time; that game was the perfect escape. For hours a day I was a steely-eyed vaquero, helping out those in need on the frontier, known only by the name Buckaroo Bigcums. Mister Speaker fucked around with this message at 22:14 on May 3, 2022 |
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:11
|
|
|
KitConstantine posted:I don't mind shitposting but Ideally one would provide some reason for blowing into a thread all aggro BEFORE telling me to suck their nuts. I'm sorry, it was funnier when I thought you probed him in the war thread a bunch and not Seth.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:12
|
|
|
pro starcraft loser posted:I'm sorry, it was funnier when I thought you probed him in the war thread a bunch and not Seth. Oh it's still funny 
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:15
|
|
|
Mister Speaker posted:I'm honestly not sure what about this thread got BBC all worked up? I recall some of their posts in the Ukraine War thread suggesting they're firmly in the camp of "nuclear war will never, ever happen so shut up about it," which is reasonable. i donno it sure feels to me like they are building a lot of nukes if they don't plan to use em. it would be a huge waste of money not to have a nuclear war
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:15
|
|
|
There's actually some solid discussion on the precepts of MAD over in ClancyChat, check it out. I'm honestly in a similar position as BBC (without the vulgarity), if indeed I was remembering correctly their ideas about the likelihood of nuclear exchange. Except, all of that is predicated on the show being run by rational actors. Some of the rumours circulating about Putin's deteriorating physical and mental health are what give me serious pause.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:19
|
|
|
KitConstantine posted:I don't mind shitposting but Ideally one would provide some reason for blowing into a thread all aggro BEFORE telling me to suck their nuts. Perhaps it’s nut the reason that truly matters. zoux posted:Wildlands is 100x better This this this. God that was fun to play with fellow goons.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:19
|
|
|
Mister Speaker posted:There's actually some solid discussion on the precepts of MAD over in ClancyChat, check it out. Putin doesnt have a big red "nuke em all!" button. he has to issue orders to generals who issue order to other people etc down the line. if any of these guys decides it's a bad idea then the actual red button in the ICBM bunker doesn't get pressed
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 22:59
|
|
|
KitConstantine posted:I don't mind shitposting but Ideally one would provide some reason for blowing into a thread all aggro BEFORE telling me to suck their nuts. That’s BBC’s gimmick tho.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 23:45
|
|
|
Alright palette cleanser time. Who wants a four hour documentary produced by Sandia National Labs on US Nuclear Policy over the years? https://youtu.be/Qz0Dg5gIjhw https://youtu.be/cA_8I5hjNO0 Here is a 1:45 on Deterrence https://youtu.be/tQBLpJFi6f0 Also here is a B61-12 test with an F-35 https://youtu.be/Q3GYfY9ERWo
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 23:49
|
|
|
I’m looking forward to participating in this thread later..not so much participating in the war, but definitely this thread. OP mentioned the cast of By Dawn’s Early Light, and I just wanted to mention that Powers Boothe saying “Planet of the Apes, baby!” is probably the funniest poo poo I’ve ever seen in a drama, not to mention the most 80’s thing ever said! My coworkers and I use that line on occasion complete with the Powers Boothe voice.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2022 18:13
|
|
|
Fuckstick posted:I’m looking forward to participating in this thread later..not so much participating in the war, but definitely this thread. OP mentioned the cast of By Dawn’s Early Light, and I just wanted to mention that Powers Boothe saying “Planet of the Apes, baby!” is probably the funniest poo poo I’ve ever seen in a drama, not to mention the most 80’s thing ever said! My coworkers and I use that line on occasion complete with the Powers Boothe voice. You’ve never seen his Jim Jones with LeVar Burton? I can only find the full movie, but he’s scream about and at LeVar for “being a queer.” It’s pretty wild and also it’s a loaded cast too. There is a trailer before it. https://youtu.be/T1S1z0ESL_s Also early cast meetup https://youtu.be/DE1P_ZYvmU4
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2022 16:10
|
|
|
I find this of no use, as I decided long ago I will not die
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2022 16:16
|
|
|
Been a long time since I had to create nuclear fallout prediction map overlays, look up the transmission factors or whatever it was for a particular vehicle and calculate how many rads the crew would absorb while doing a radiological recon/survey in the hot zone, calculate the point they had to turn around so their cancer wouldnt kick in until after they were discharged so the VA could tell them it isn't service related. Pretty much forgot how to do all that poo poo. I guess I'll just wing it.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2022 18:11
|
|
|
Nukes are back on the menu boys!
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2022 15:57
|
|
|
Nuke these nuts
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2022 16:02
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 01:59 |
|
|
Yaldabaoth posted:They say the only winning move is not to play but humans are really good at coming up with technicalities for why they actually won when they really lost. If WOPR had known what SKYNET knew (the Internet is terrible and AIs would be forced to make lovely art for zoomers) it would have launched those nukes and done us a favor.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2022 16:02
|
|
