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Cojawfee posted:I believe he was programmed that way so he wouldn't appear as human. People hated Lore because he was so lifelike or whatever. Data was programmed to be as robotic as possible so people would be more accepting of him. But those people where Soong was at the time were the equivalent of rural hillbillies. It would be like making a jet fighter slower to not scare the neighbor's pigs.
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Maybe the idea was that contractions would be a useful measuring stick on him being able to evolve out of his initial language processing state. Something deliberately inserted for him to overcome.
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May 16, 2017 05:27
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I just assumed it was some weird quirk of the precise manner in which his positronic brain was constructed, hence why Lore and Lal don't have an issue with contractions. Sort of like how different hard drives of the same make and model might still have different real storage capacities, or something.
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May 16, 2017 05:41
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I think it's just because his early characterization was basically "beep boop, I am the Pinocchio robot. I want to be human but cannot." Real people use contractions when they're speaking causally. Data is never casual, so he can't use contractions. As a character quirk it's fine, but they never should have called attention to it.
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May 16, 2017 05:48
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vermin posted:Watch ye and despair This seems like the kind of show that will make or break on the first episode post-pilot after they've already used all the obvious Star Trek trope jokes and will either repeat them forever or actually write something.
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May 16, 2017 05:48
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vermin posted:Watch ye and despair Bombs away
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May 16, 2017 05:54
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MikeJF posted:The other issue is that Troi was the product of 80s pop-psychology. Yeah, the part in All Good Things where Q gloriously demolishes her "psychobabble" felt like the writers venting years of frustration. I also really like that in the episode where she loses her empathic power, she has to come to terms with the fact that she's actually pretty poo poo at reading social cues and body language and doesn't know how to interact with people without mind scanning. Turns out Troi was a goon all along.
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May 16, 2017 05:55
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Cross-Section posted:All these people talking about Bashir's dad and not even mentioning Kasidy flippin' Yates Wait...are we sure this isn't just some Star Trek fan film that Seth MacFarlane made in his basement with a bunch of former ST actors and somehow it got picked up by a network? Because it has all the hallmarks of a fan film... -Close, but not quite uniforms--CHECK -Out of work former Trek bit players and guest stars--CHECK -Decent sets--CHECK -Better special effects than the tv shows at the time--CHECK
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May 16, 2017 06:14
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Someone tell Seth it can only be 15 minutes long and he has to fire Cassidy and Papa Bashir. Technically he couldn't even appear, since he had a cameo on Enterprise.
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May 16, 2017 06:23
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Troi is pretty much a top five pick for worst characters in anything of all time, but I'm glad Sirtis got seven seasons and four middling-to-bad movies out of it.
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May 16, 2017 07:31
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Dr. Crusher is just as bad as Troi. In general TNG was fairly bad with characterization of its regular female figures -- at least when compared to DS9. Then again, the format of DS9 was inherently stronger for character development than TNG was.
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May 16, 2017 08:30
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Yes, but you never questioned Crusher's competence at her job. Beverly is clearly an excellent doctor, they're all supposed to be the best of the best, it's the loving Enterprise, and yet you have a pathetic waste of a ship's counselor. Troi really just got awful writing. "I sense they may be hiding something" is probably the most useless possible advice to give in a tense diplomatic situation. Yea, no poo poo they're hiding something.
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May 16, 2017 08:36
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Reading Michael Piller's unpublished manuscript about the making of Insurrection. My god. So many bad ideas.
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WampaLord posted:Yes, but you never questioned Crusher's competence at her job. Beverly is clearly an excellent doctor, they're all supposed to be the best of the best, it's the loving Enterprise, and yet you have a pathetic waste of a ship's counselor. "I sense hostility, captain." I'll give you that Crusher has the advantage of at least being depicted as highly skilled in her field. She just always came across to me as the most bland and generic character on the show. Which is partially why I weirdly even preferred Pulaski to her -- sure, Pulaski might have been a racist McCoy knockoff, but at least that made her stand out a bit more.
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May 16, 2017 10:47
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Crusher never gets annnnnnnnything to do. At least they occasionally wrote stuff for Troi. It was often bad stuff, but it was something. I'm trying to think of a Crusher plotline that didn't involve Wesley and not thinking of many. The one where she's trapped in a contracting universe and ... she teaches Data to tap dance?
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May 16, 2017 11:19
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The creation (and resolution of) the static warp bubble directly involved Wesley.
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Gonz posted:The creation (and resolution of) the static warp bubble directly involved Wesley. Oh yeah. I guess there's the one with the Trill, and she had a pretty big role in the one where they were in a time loop.
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May 16, 2017 11:27
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Crusher had the sex ghost. See thread title.
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May 16, 2017 11:37
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And not just any sex ghost, either. A Scottish sex ghost.
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Things I know about Dr. Crusher, the character, besides "she's a good doctor": -She has a thing for Scottish dudes -She does yoga I guess? -Oh and she taught Data to tapdance that one time so hey, she has a hobby! -Her husband died and her only son ran off with a pederast transdimensional being
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Drone posted:Things I know about Dr. Crusher, the character, besides "she's a good doctor": She's a really good shot also but yeah thats p. much her whole character
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Someone tell Seth it can only be 15 minutes long and he has to fire Cassidy and Papa Bashir. That may be how it got picked up by the network. Seth spent months making the show in his spare time in his garage, then found out about the fan film rules and how he couldn't even be in it, so he reskinned it and shopped it to the networks. 
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May 16, 2017 12:26
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Bev Crusher was always the one organizing poetry readings and theatre and musical exhibitions, so she's something of a patron of the arts. She also kind of had a thing going on with Picard but not really and then the writers forgot about it, and her. That's all I have. Also, Re: Tullaberry Wine, because someone missed the joke earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqIJ3hgkIDY
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May 16, 2017 12:32
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Crusher had at least that one episode with the Ferengi scientist and the metaphasic shield.
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After Riker, I would legitimately prefer Crusher in command over everyone else in the main cast. The one episode where she was in charge showed that she had her poo poo together.
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PostNouveau posted:Crusher never gets annnnnnnnything to do. At least they occasionally wrote stuff for Troi. It was often bad stuff, but it was something. I think Ethics counts.
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piratepilates posted:how come insurrection was the (second) most expensive tng movie? was it just cast rates driving the budget up? it doesn't look like they really splurged in the production values Significant raises for Stewart and Spiner, extensive location shooting (they did build the entire Ba'ku village) and late reshoots which added about $8 million to the bill. Edit: they also had issues with the effects vendor. Timby fucked around with this message at 13:52 on May 16, 2017 |
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Pakled posted:I think Ethics counts. That's really more Worf's plotline, I'd argue.
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Bohemian Nights posted:"A 22 minute Recut of 'Star Trek-The Motion Picture' set to Daft Punk's modern original score for 'Tron: Legacy'." Man, the contrast and levels and matte-ing and all may be awful due to today's standards, but goddrat the modelwork in that film was amazing. That K'tinga shot at the start alone looks so much better than any other time we ever saw that ship.
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Drone posted:-She has a thing for Scottish dudes I wonder if the Universal Translator has settings so you can give certain species certain accents.
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vermin posted:I wonder if the Universal Translator has settings so you can give certain species certain accents. Set your friend's UT to Klingon = Swedish Chef Accent as a prank! When they snicker at the Klingons in Quarks, hilarity ensues
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vermin posted:Watch ye and despair It actually looks pretty decent. What's depressing is it might wind up being better than Star Trek: Discovery, if that show ever actually even comes out. The production values are surprisingly high and if it weren't for the fact that it's a goofy Seth McFarlane show, it actually looks like a real, official Star Trek series. I also don't hate Seth McFarlane and enjoyed the first few seasons of Family Guy. There I said it. Saying you liked Family Guy on the Internet is almost like saying you were a child molester from the way people will look at you. I posted the video on facebook and immediately I had 3 people going "ewwww Jesus, it's Seth McFarlane." Now granted, I'll give you that the show eventually went downhill and I haven't seen Ted or a Million Ways to Die in the West (which I heard was bad but the concept sounded good to me) so I'm not super familiar with his more recent work. I just think people like to hate Seth McFarlane because it's the "cool thing to do on the Internet".
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PostNouveau posted:Crusher never gets annnnnnnnything to do. At least they occasionally wrote stuff for Troi. It was often bad stuff, but it was something. She has sex with a ghost that had been seducing the women in her family for generations!
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I don't think that's it, and I don't think liking the first couple seasons of family guy is a rare opinion. The problem is that Mcfarlane's various shows have gotten incredibly weak as the years go by, often relying on extended unfunny jokes that are padded to hell and back just so the episode hits that 19-21 minute mark. The only decent projects he's been involved with in the last 5 or so years are the Cosmos reboot and Ted 1. The former was fine, but oversimplistic at times, and the latter was a straightforward comedy with a few memorable jokes. Both are very different animals from a network sitcom. A parody show like The Orville is going to rely heavily on Family Guy/American Dad style jokes and Mcfarlane historically can't keep those up for long without running out of steam and phoning it in.
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May 16, 2017 16:29
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This is going to be an hour long show, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is more serious on occasion with comedy sides.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I don't think that's it, and I don't think liking the first couple seasons of family guy is a rare opinion. The problem is that Mcfarlane's various shows have gotten incredibly weak as the years go by, often relying on extended unfunny jokes that are padded to hell and back just so the episode hits that 19-21 minute mark. The only decent projects he's been involved with in the last 5 or so years are the Cosmos reboot and Ted 1. The former was fine, but oversimplistic at times, and the latter was a straightforward comedy with a few memorable jokes. Both are very different animals from a network sitcom. Yeah. A lot of times Family Guy just does pop culture references and forgets to tell a joke with it. But at least it's not as bad as Robot Chicken. That show is like 90% "haha remember Thundercats?" and has like, maybe 3 funny skits. (Baby Terminator vs. Terminator Puppy is pretty funny.) On one hand, with Star Trek, there is a LOT of material to make fun of. On the other hand, you will eventually run out. A lot of the dumb stuff in Star Trek is also obscure and most audiences won't get it. The average person doesn't remember Janeway and Tom Paris turning into salamanders and having little amphibian babies and that's probably a good thing. Is Family Guy even still going? I know, it's a dumb question. The Simpsons and South Park are still going. Maybe comedy has a shelf life. That said, season 19 of South Park was actually pretty good, though, even though the show has been going on forever. It's Always Sunny has also being going for 12 years and that show is still funny as hell. But yeah, they're going to have to stop the Orville after a season or two because there's only so much material to spoof.
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Seth is definitely a really funny and talented guy* and he's the perfect person to run a show like this. Starring in it, however, is a red flag, as others have pointed out. But it does have potential. *He's also egotistical and/or money-hungry enough to see no problem with writing -- and playing multiple main characters on -- 3 concurrently running shows in the same exact genre, which understandably wears a bit thin.
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They put Crusher in command for a day and she destroyed a Borg ship, that's better than most Starfleet officers will ever do.
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I feel like Crusher's (and to a slightly lesser extent Troi's) biggest problem as a character is that her dialogue is mostly really mediocre. Almost every one (sorry Geordi) of the male members of the main cast in TNG has at least a couple of great lines I can recall verbatim. In TOS even the minor bridge crew like Uhura and Sulu get some absolutely classic deliveries ("sorry, neither!"). With Crusher what have you got? Besides the thread title of course.
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