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Shifty Pony posted:It's all a balance. Any news org worth its salt will want to see the actual document so they can verify it isn't a fake and that they aren't being hosed with. They will likely be understanding if you are reluctant to give it to them but that means they will have to verify it more throughly via other sources which could up the danger of you being outed. If anyone here still has impostor syndrome over their career, hobbies, passions, whatever, just remember: you're not as bad as these fuckheads and they somehow still have jobs.
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Boon posted:The Intercept hosed up. There is, and The Intercept did gently caress up really bad. But this isn't really giving much of anything away. It's just confirmation of what we knew. Even in the doc, there are redactions of all involved foreign parties and the US parties are listed like "US email number one"
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Bhaal posted:https://twitter.com/realpresssecbot/status/872085930890338304 He's going to start a war through bumbling incompetence
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Shifty Pony posted:The real lesson here is "Don't leak to the Intercept or really any organization involving Glenn Greenwald". Likewise Wikileaks has been known to no give a gently caress who gets burned by their releases. It's not that they are incompetent, its that they are being funded by and loyal to the same foreign power as the current administration.
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Yes, Donald. You're going to end all the terrorisms. Here's your steak and ketchup, go play in the corner. E: God, I want his 2020 opponent to keep referring to him as "Donald".
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Good to see believers in radical transparency applying that to their own sources. Also, great news that Trump is actively encouraging the Saudis to deal with Qatar. Far be it from the US to avoid escalating tensions between two allies. If there was anyone left at DOS they'd be crying right now.
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Note that his administration and top diplomats had no idea about Saudi Arabia going for Qatar's jugular according to a Reuter's article posted yesterday. IRAN BAD, WAHABISM GOOD
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Alter Ego posted:Yes, Donald. You're going to end all the terrorisms. I mean - Hillary did this. Goddammit, why couldn't the last debate have been one week before the election
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As far as I know, NATO has never been at war with Sunni Islamist terrorists. We have always been at war with Shiite Islamist terrorists.
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HappyHippo posted:History books will talk of the tweet that started WWIII Ha, there wont be books after that.
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theflyingorc posted:I mean - Hillary did this. Why do you think that would've changed anything? HappyHippo posted:He's going to start a war through bumbling incompetence I'm pretty sure that world leaders don't take anything he says seriously.
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mcmagic posted:I'm pretty sure that world leaders don't take anything he says seriously. Saudi Arabia seems to think they have the go ahead
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mcmagic posted:Why do you think that would've changed anything? The debates hurt him consistently because people had to stare in the face of how much of a moron he was.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:What is going on with his neck/chin http://imgur.com/a/7vTNw
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repeating posted:But this isn't really giving much of anything away. It's just confirmation of what we knew. Even in the doc, there are redactions of all involved foreign parties and the US parties are listed like "US email number one" Then why leak It? Also, apparently the redactions were made at the behest of the DNA after The Intercept reached out to confirm details of the story. Also shut the gently caress up mcmagic. You'd simultaneously and rightfully state that Russia doesn't have our best interests in mind while stating some mealy mouthed bullshit about overclassification to defend your lack of understanding on leaks and the Intel community. Grow up.
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Boon posted:The Intercept hosed up. How so? It seems like information the public deserves. I mean, if the Piss Tape exists and is classified, leaking it would be moral, even if not legal. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Bhaal posted:https://twitter.com/realpresssecbot/status/872085930890338304 This is the closest I can imagine to the "Gas Prices" lever being real and Trump smashing it past high all the way to Fuel Crisis. Pretty excited for a couple years from now when every national park is a wasteland of exploratory drilling.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:How so? It seems like information the public deserves. The public doesn't have an absolute right to all information of the government at any time and it wasnt her decision to make, especially because it's not stemming from a legal or ethical concern. It's literally the entire point of classification and a civilian led government.
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mango sentinel posted:This is the closest I can imagine to the "Gas Prices" lever being real and Trump smashing it past high all the way to Fuel Crisis. Pretty excited for a couple years from now when every national park is a wasteland of exploratory drilling. Wouldn't gas prices shooting back up be a huge boon to Russia? Didn't their crazy petro-state-lite economy crater as much because of the huge drop in oil prices as the sanctions?
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Hell it will be good for us Canadians too (for some definitions of the word "good") but it's not going to be good for the world, probably.
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theflyingorc posted:Because him going almost radio silent for ~3 weeks let his favorables recover, allowing for HER EMAILS to become the dominant story for several weeks, even before the Comey letter? And people just forgot what a moron he was because he didn't tweet for a few weeks? I just can't buy into that line of reasoning. His voters knew what they were voting for. Boon posted:Then why leak It? The IC is a much greater threat to my rights than Russia is. The more we know about what they are doing, the better.
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Night10194 posted:Wouldn't gas prices shooting back up be a huge boon to Russia? Didn't their crazy petro-state-lite economy crater as much because of the huge drop in oil prices as the sanctions? And spun as good for the US based fracking industry. Of course bad for about every other part of the economy.
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Boon posted:Then why leak It? As a political layman, it's a nugget of confirmation that bumps it back to the top of the media conversation, and it's a way to combat the propaganda pushed by the admin by using the government's information against it
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Boon posted:The public doesn't have an absolute right to all information of the government at any time and it wasnt her decision to make, especially because it's not stemming from a legal or ethical concern. the public doesnt have a right to know if its elections have been tampered with http://i.imgur.com/SV1Rpez.gifv
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Caufman posted:As far as I know, NATO has never been at war with Sunni Islamist terrorists. We have always been at war with Shiite Islamist terrorists. I can't tell if this post is sincere and confused or if it's doubleplusgood.
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mcmagic posted:The IC is a much greater threat to my rights than Russia is. The more we know about what they are doing, the better. The fact that you can't parse good and bad in leaks but make sweeping declarations anyway makes you an idiot and a fool.
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Boon posted:The public doesn't have an absolute right to all information of the government and it wasnt her decision to make, especially because it's not stemming from a legal or ethical concern. Sure it is? If the Russians successfully hacked the election, Trump's election may be at least morally invalid. Even if this info isn't direct proof, it's evidence that contributes to that thesis.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:How so? It seems like information the public deserves. I don't know that it needed to be in the public domain within a week of it being created. It's an active investigation. However I read through the document and it doesn't strike me as the sort of thing that would compromise sources or methods - it's describing a spearphishing campaign which you can get intel on from investigating the targeted companies - but then again the intercept didn't think the pdf was the sort of thing that would compromise sources either and here we are.
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mcmagic posted:And people just forgot what a moron he was because he didn't tweet for a few weeks? I just can't buy into that line of reasoning. His voters knew what they were voting for. People desperately looking for any excuse to vote for the Republican took 3 weeks of radio silence as 'Maybe he's matured and can be Presidential!' Look at how incredibly loving eager people were to declare he'd Finally Become President and things were normal a couple months ago. It's only the massive parade of incompetence and the fact that whenever he opens his mouth he confirms the worst is true that stops the pundits from going back to Look How Normal And Not Existentially Terrifying Everything Is With Big Boy President.
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BiohazrD posted:the public doesnt have a right to know if its elections have been tampered with It's already been confirmed by the Intel community and there are three ongoing investigations. Or did you conveniently forget that to score points on the D&D forums? Hieronymous Alloy posted:Sure it is? That's great dude. Again, there are investigations going on about exactly that.
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Night10194 posted:Wouldn't gas prices shooting back up be a huge boon to Russia? Didn't their crazy petro-state-lite economy crater as much because of the huge drop in oil prices as the sanctions? From what I understand North American shale oil has been murdering oil prices worldwide, paired with a slight decrease in demand. This is obviously terrible for oil states like Russia, yes. I don't think you're going to see high oil prices for quite a while because of the US' ability to sell shale oil at $50 dollars a barrel.
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Night10194 posted:Wouldn't gas prices shooting back up be a huge boon to Russia? Didn't their crazy petro-state-lite economy crater as much because of the huge drop in oil prices as the sanctions? Yeah, pretty much. The difference between Russia and Saudi Arabia is basically climate and nuclear weapons.
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Night10194 posted:People desperately looking for any excuse to vote for the Republican took 3 weeks of radio silence as 'Maybe he's matured and can be Presidential!' I just think those people would've found another reason talk themselves into voting for him.
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Can we go back to talking about Eve Online spy stuff? It's a lot less stressful.
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BiohazrD posted:the public doesnt have a right to know if its elections have been tampered with I'm pretty sure that this information was released in more general terms already.
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mango sentinel posted:I can't tell if this post is sincere and confused or if it's doubleplusgood. Sounds like someone hasn't had their chocolate rations!
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mcmagic posted:And people just forgot what a moron he was because he didn't tweet for a few weeks? I just can't buy into that line of reasoning. His voters knew what they were voting for. Trump's poll numbers consistently dropped after every debate. They rebounded closer to the election, in large part because of more negative stories for Clinton, and because of more distance from the most recent negative stories about Trump. Granted, it's tempting to just disregard any and all polling from 2016, but they were within the margin of error, by and large. And since the polls were largely within the margin of error, I see no reason to totally discount the drops after Trump's poor debate performances. If the election had happened a week after the last debate, Trump probably would have lost. (Similarly, if the Access Hollywood tape had dropped a week before the election, Trump probably would have lost.) We're not really talking about Trump's base here, the people who know everything about him and still love him. We're talking about the voters who might not have been 100% rabid Trumpers, the ones who account for his dropping approval ratings, not the ones who will stand by him no matter what.
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