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have gotten as close to 100% in lunacid as i can short of not really knowing how to get one of the endings at all, one of the alchemy recipes being changed so none of the online directions for it are correct and farming out the last few weapons being something i'm gonna do a bit later. overall my only complaint about this game is that there's a few annoying bugs but they only impact 100% completion which largely feels like a bunch of goofy extra poo poo rather than something you absolutely have to play to get the most out of the game, all the other endings are totally optional and just for the fun of it while based on what the dev's said the true ending, which is the basic one you get for just beating the game normally, is actually what it says on the tin and most definitive of what they wanted to convey, so if any of that stuff sounds intimidating don't worry about it. the game will probably get all the worst of this stuff patched out with time and you can get around its biggest jank with save editing since the game's structure is pretty open and easily moddable, so for the relatively low price it's being sold at, yeah this is one of the best indie rpgs ever made probably
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Kanos posted:Also I crafted all of the extra moves for Precis and Opera in the PS1 version every time I used them in my party. EVERY. TIME.
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Kanos posted:Phantasy Star 4 is a pretty strong contender. PS1 and PS2 are both okay games but are very old and rough and most people won't recommend you play them, and PS3 is a disaster.
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Yeah, they're not awful games, but I think the PS series fits the bill for the same reason the SO series did in the original post. Both are franchises that have a bunch of okay or bad games and one standout classic that everyone who has played it loves and hypes to the moon.
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Shadow Hearts is pretty close. You get the odd person who murmors about Koudelka or Covenant but most of the love for the series starts and stops with the second game. Mario and Luigi gets the treatment sometimes too, with Bowser's Inside Story and then the rest of the series.
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Mr. Locke posted:Shadow Hearts is pretty close. You get the odd person who murmors about Koudelka or Covenant but most of the love for the series starts and stops with the second game. Covenant was and is significantly more popular than the first game. Like it's not even an argument. Shadow Hearts was a pretty niche title to the point they were literally giving copies of it away for free when Covenant came out.
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There's also the inverse example with Street Fighter, where all the games are pretty well known except for the first, which is an obscure historical footnote.
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ImpAtom posted:Covenant was and is significantly more popular than the first game. Like it's not even an argument. Yeah this is another Thread Tunnel Vision thing, Covenant being the wacky one makes it way more popular outside of this forum even if that makes it slightly controversial here.
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it's not like koudelka itself wasn't wacky, you kill a lot of possessed furniture. one of the enemies is just a guy walking on the ceiling who shoots you for all of your health
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Kanos posted:Phantasy Star 4 is a pretty strong contender. PS1 and PS2 are both okay games but are very old and rough and most people won't recommend you play them, and PS3 is a disaster. i will recommend you play phantasy star 1 because it's an 80s-style shoujo rpg and those are pretty thin on the ground. the gameplay is nothing special but all of the presentation aspects are very strong especially for a master system game 2 is garbo tho
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i dont think there's much worth in determining what "the one game anyone cared about" is because all that's going to boil down to at the end is what game is popular in your particular niche of discussion and that's kind of dull as poo poo and says nothing about the quality or contents of the games being discussed
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The Sega Ages version of Phantasy Star on Switch is very good and playable. Shame that's the only one there with that treatment. The PS2 Sega Ages 2500 Phantasy Star Generation 2 will always be amusing to me for having a way to get Nei back that's in line with old schoolyard rumors, though. (You need clear data both from the PS2 versions of Phantasy Star AND Phantasy Star II, then you have to see every unique line of dialogue in the game up to AMeDAS, which includes shuffling characters in and out at the proper times to get different lines, repeating encounters and picking But Thou Must "wrong" choices, getting all the Consults you can before advancing plot beats, and making sure to include all the shopkeeps in this.)
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ImpAtom posted:Covenant was and is significantly more popular than the first game. Like it's not even an argument. Shadow Hearts was a pretty niche title to the point they were literally giving copies of it away for free when Covenant came out. they are saying the second one is the best one edit: oh nevermind I'm the one who can't read. I'm going to attempt to save face by saying that post is dumb for the mario and luigi half instead
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confused how you can talk about people's response to mario & luigi and skip over superstar saga. i don't think there's any mario rpg series where people like, strictly like one game and hate the rest, there are just some peaks and valleys in both. but like i said, it's not that common to actually get a series where only one game is worth mentioning and literally everything else is garbage, usually the cool games got there by incorporating good ideas from the weaker ones and if you actually dig around you'll find different strengths around the whole pile
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there's people who only got into like, fromsoft games with demon's souls or dark souls or elden ring, or only got into armored core with ac6, and what i can say for all of these games is that as much as some people like to erupt into big arguments over what The Good One is and try to put down some of the others, and popularity tends to lean towards newer ones in general, actually playing all of these games i don't think it's really possible to say there's only a select few that have any merit to them and then definitively bad ones that aren't worth anything. dark souls 2 is weird and messy but some people like weird and messy, king's field doesn't have the big flashy third person combat most people like but most of the fundamentals of exploration in fromsoft's modern games survive directly from literally the first goddamn king's field game and if you enjoy that stuff enough you can get a lot of fun out of that ancient piece of poo poo, warts and all. there's arguments over the modern direction of armored core and how it's pivoted away from its roots to appeal to a mainstream audience and that stuff is extra comical to me because armored core vi is a massive pivot back towards what the series was about, before armored core 5. always a mistake to look at massive game series in the context of just "the one game worth caring about" or "the newest one" or whatever
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Yeah, I don’t really think the Mario and Luigi games fit that criteria since, you know, it’s a series that’s pretty well regarded aside from the remake of the third game that was just kind of a blatant Hail Mary cry for help in retrospect. I mean, if people felt like Superstar Saga was the lightning in a bottle and the rest were just kinda trying and failing to capture that magic it would makes sense, but I think I’m the only one who thinks that.
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when you try defining discussion of a series by this sort of metric you are just dooming yourself to the truth that, every human being on earth who has an opinion about the thing you're talking about has their own The Good One. i'm very aware of this truth, as someone whose favorite kiryu saga game is yakuza 3
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The Colonel posted:there's people who only got into like, fromsoft games with demon's souls or dark souls or elden ring, or only got into armored core with ac6, and what i can say for all of these games is that as much as some people like to erupt into big arguments over what The Good One is and try to put down some of the others, and popularity tends to lean towards newer ones in general, actually playing all of these games i don't think it's really possible to say there's only a select few that have any merit to them and then definitively bad ones that aren't worth anything. dark souls 2 is weird and messy but some people like weird and messy, king's field doesn't have the big flashy third person combat most people like but most of the fundamentals of exploration in fromsoft's modern games survive directly from literally the first goddamn king's field game and if you enjoy that stuff enough you can get a lot of fun out of that ancient piece of poo poo, warts and all. there's arguments over the modern direction of armored core and how it's pivoted away from its roots to appeal to a mainstream audience and that stuff is extra comical to me because armored core vi is a massive pivot back towards what the series was about, before armored core 5. always a mistake to look at massive game series in the context of just "the one game worth caring about" or "the newest one" or whatever I just beat KF4 last month and was surprised how strict they actually kept to the formula in the souls games.
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Jimlit posted:I just beat KF4 last month and was surprised how strict they actually kept to the formula in the souls games. I read a review of King's Field 2 from an old game magazine and this is really funny to read in the context of their current games
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old fromsoft games rule because every game is either a fundamental pillar of their design philosophy they've experimented with or built on in ways you can directly map to their current output, or it's Kuon
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The Colonel posted:old fromsoft games rule because every game is either a fundamental pillar of their design philosophy they've experimented with or built on in ways you can directly map to their current output, or it's Kuon Yeah, there are a few companies like this and I always like it. FromSoft is obvious (even if you don't always see the A-to-C because B was some obscure-rear end Japanese only game.) Platinum Games actually is too, where you can literally trace almost every design element to something from an earlier game or from the Capcom days. I like those long throughlines of development stuff where you see developers getting more and more comfortable with their niches.
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we're gonna get lost kingdoms 3 any day now just you wait...
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Oxxidation posted:Angela’s always been the most noteworthy SH character to me because pound for pound she’s probably the most “guilty” of anyone in the original quadrilogy (killed two people, on her way to kill a third, all immediate family) but the game doesn’t condemn or even really call attention to it. her anguish doesn’t stem from her vengeance so much as being another branch of the same root probably wanted the horror thread op
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echo night 4 when....
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Looper posted:we're gonna get lost kingdoms 3 any day now just you wait... I'd preorder that the second it was announced. LK 1 and 2 were some of my all time favorites as a kid
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I would kill for a new Shadow Tower
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Gainsboro posted:I would kill for a new Shadow Tower
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Endorph posted:lunacid is inspired by shadow tower and kings field and is pretty good ive been enjoying it but i havent found an m16 yet so juries still out on if it'll beat shadow tower abyss as the best kings field game.
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Endorph posted:lunacid is inspired by shadow tower and kings field and is pretty good
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i like the busted sword hilt that does pathetic damage but if you hit things with it enough to upgrade it it turns out there is no blade for the sword hilt because the sword hilt projects a blade of pure fire
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Echo Nights owns and its wild that the third entry is in space.
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The only thing I miss from original SO2 is the fact that Killer Moves upgraded with proficiency. You get so much SP, it's trivial to level up a move as soon as you get it. I remember getting so hype when my first move upgraded after like 200 uses or so in the original lol
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I don't think "Use arts 200 times to upgrade it" was great, but admittedly when I was playing the demo I assumed arts would have more upgrade levels.
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I got a Loot Box from doing one of the challenges that gave me a hilariously OP weapon. I feel like going up to a harder difficulty is basically going to be required with how easy it is to get overgeared even compared to the original.
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