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Hah, I gambled on a store item on Curse of the Blind just now and was so happy it turned out to be the Stop Watch, figured this was my Hard mode-Hush Azazel run.
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Nov 19, 2015 22:41
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Justin_Brett posted:Why the gently caress can you run into Rag Man on the first floor? Or the Haunt.
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Nov 19, 2015 22:47
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RatHat posted:Or the Haunt. Haunt really isn't that bad. The ghosts at the start can be a bit tricky but otherwise the haunt is a pushover.
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Nov 19, 2015 22:50
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I don't think the stopwatch nerf is that bad. It's effectively now "this room is EZmode if you get hit" instead of "Every room is EZmode." It's even kinda viable on The Lost thanks to HM (unless HM doesn't trigger the effect?)
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Nov 19, 2015 22:50
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what a piece of poo poo
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Nov 19, 2015 22:52
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I just put in 70 or so coins with Maggie and the chance to jam only raised to 1 from 0. Seems like you can make some significant progress if you don't spend all your coins now!
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Nov 19, 2015 22:53
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ImpAtom posted:I don't think the stopwatch nerf is that bad. It's effectively now "this room is EZmode if you get hit" instead of "Every room is EZmode." It's even kinda viable on The Lost thanks to HM (unless HM doesn't trigger the effect?) it prevents other on hit triggers so probably
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Nov 19, 2015 22:54
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AnonSpore posted:Unless you meant "make it so that gold hearts act like soul hearts just for Keeper" which seems like a huge hassle to code in a game where the code is already held together by wishes and farts. Hey, remember how one of the primary perks of Rebirth being made was that the game could have a clean, solid code base that worked well instead of being a kludged together Flash nightmare? Gonna laugh if they introduced some random crash bugs again or something. "Better than the last build" isn't really a guarantee where Nicalis is concerned.
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Nov 19, 2015 22:54
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RatHat posted:Or the Haunt. At least once you kill the little guys they stay dead. There's a lot of characters who just can't destroy Rag Man's head before it becomes a spider if you don't get some damage that early. But that's this game in a nutshell, really. Or maybe I'm just mad because I'm on a seven death streak with ???.
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Nov 19, 2015 22:55
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ImpAtom posted:It's even kinda viable on The Lost thanks to HM (unless HM doesn't trigger the effect?) Hahahahahahahaha
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Nov 19, 2015 22:56
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ImpAtom posted:I don't think the stopwatch nerf is that bad. It's effectively now "this room is EZmode if you get hit" instead of "Every room is EZmode." It's even kinda viable on The Lost thanks to HM (unless HM doesn't trigger the effect?) Nope. Holy Mantle blocks on hit effects, so the Stopwatch is now completely useless on The Lost. Tested it out myself too.
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Nov 19, 2015 22:56
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Dr. Fetus posted:Nope. Holy Mantle blocks on hit effects, so the Stopwatch is now completely useless on The Lost. Tested it out myself too. Well, that's a pile of poo poo but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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Nov 19, 2015 22:57
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Volt Catfish posted:Nerf all fun items Stopwatch was never fun.
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Nov 19, 2015 22:58
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kemikalkadet posted:Stopwatch was never fun. Even then it didn't need to get nerfed into a useless piece of trash.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:00
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Like, if over a year into Rebirth's existence you're somehow still confusing Nicalis for competent software developers, I dunno what to say. Game's still fun though.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:03
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Oh by the way Stopwatch is still a special item. Hello there new Soy Milk. Though unlike Soy Milk, it Won't actively ruin a run on its own, but it'll make it less likely to see better special items.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:04
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Nov 19, 2015 23:16
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I'm begining to think that, on top of Nicalis not being a very good or even professional developer team, Edmund might not be a very good video game designer and has just lucked his way in to a couple formulas that work very well. Much like Notch.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:18
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Hey this time hush and mega satan won't crash your game. Great patch over all.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:27
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ImpAtom posted:I don't think the stopwatch nerf is that bad. It's effectively now "this room is EZmode if you get hit" instead of "Every room is EZmode." It's even kinda viable on The Lost thanks to HM (unless HM doesn't trigger the effect?) I was thinking this, since the biggest thing for me was using it to trivialize stuff like Hush. Dr. Fetus posted:Stopwatch is still a special item. Hello there new Soy Milk. Okay, now, that's bullshit.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:34
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So stopwatch is useless for Lost now? Glad I still need to do his stuff on the new save. 
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Nov 19, 2015 23:34
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Welp there goes any chance of me beating the Boss Rush as the Lost. Why did a special item it took 999 coins to unlock need to be nerfed?
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Nov 19, 2015 23:35
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I don't really understand why people are mad about them nerfing an item that was basically an autowin on 11 out of the 13 characters in the game.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:36
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Fano posted:I don't really understand why people are mad about them nerfing an item that was basically an autowin on 11 out of the 13 characters in the game. Having easy runs with overpowered items is really fun sometimes
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Nov 19, 2015 23:36
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legoman727 posted:Welp there goes any chance of me beating the Boss Rush as the Lost. It was to bring it in line with The Keeper.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:38
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Fano posted:I don't really understand why people are mad about them nerfing an item that was basically an autowin on 11 out of the 13 characters in the game. Because it's a grind to unlock in the first place, and the nerf makes it yet another useless item for the Lost.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:39
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Fano posted:I don't really understand why people are mad about them nerfing an item that was basically an autowin on 11 out of the 13 characters in the game. Because adding "on get hit" effects to the game when The Lost is a character is just plain idiotic.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:40
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Remember when Edmund said that shop items would vary in cost depending on the percieved power of an item? Good idea, too bad it was nevet used.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:41
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Fano posted:I don't really understand why people are mad about them nerfing an item that was basically an autowin on 11 out of the 13 characters in the game. Because there's too many items that I see and go "well that was a wasted key."
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Nov 19, 2015 23:43
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Single player game with no online component beyond the recently introduced daily. NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF I don't get it, who gives a poo poo, there's still a myriad of ways to break the game, why nerf so many things, hell why nerf so many things after so long? What is even the point of 999 coins now
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Nov 19, 2015 23:44
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Fano posted:I don't really understand why people are mad about them nerfing an item that was basically an autowin on 11 out of the 13 characters in the game. Because it's an unlock you get after grinding the donation machine to 999? It was fine being stupid broken for an item that required that much hassle to unlock, especially given we didn't have a "unfuck the donation machine" item. So yeah it's pretty lovely to take an item that took anywhere from 2-10 hours to unlock pre afterbirth and nerf it so it doesn't work with the one character you want it on the most and is a minor positive at best for every other character.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:50
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haha
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Nov 19, 2015 23:50
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"we're not developers, except for the part where we by definition are. we're really just kinda incompetent"
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Nov 19, 2015 23:51
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Stopwatch nerf wouldn't actually be all that bad if they made it so that it was still always on for The Lost. Taking away one of the already scant items that can allow him to beat super bosses is pretty dumb.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:52
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They should list what you need to kill for the daily run on the menu in addition to the character you're playing. That way I can get a better gauge if I have time to do what run they are giving me.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:54
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Powerful items are cool but Stopwatch was basically an automatic victory in item form for everyone except The Lost and not even in a way that was particularly fun, so I'm not too broken up about it being nerfed. Although I agree that it definitely shouldn't count as a special item anymore. Also I don't think I've ever seen a fanbase so salty about a game they've spent hundreds of hours playing as this one. Well no, actually I have, in MMOs, which leads me to conclude that there comes a point where some people simply get too invested in a game and from that point on every decision the devs make that they don't agree with makes them react like the sky is falling.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:55
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but the decisions are usually not good are they? I remember in the original boi when samson was complete trash and people had to yell a lot for him to get a buff. people had to yell a lot for the spiders to get nerfed too, what was it, they both took forever to kill and did a heart of damage? my memory's bad and it's been a long time so I'm not 100% sure on that
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Nov 20, 2015 00:01
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Kanfy posted:Also I don't think I've ever seen a fanbase so salty about a game they've spent hundreds of hours playing as this one. Well no, actually I have, in MMOs So when people spend a bunch of time with a game they like and the devs nerf something they use, they don't like it?? And the more time people spend playing something, the more upset they're likely to get when something's nerfed????
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Nov 20, 2015 00:08
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There has also been more nerfs than buffs throughout any post launch updates Rebirth and Afterbirth got, so there's probably gonna be more complaining than not.
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Nov 20, 2015 00:13
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