 CK3 to EU4 Vote The second vote, as below, will deal with the nature of the Elissid Crowns.  The largest and mightiest empire on the earth, the identity of the Elissid Empire is in crisis. The high king is currently unmatched in prestige, enormous in landreach, unquestioned in religious and political authority… but this may well crumble into a sea of feuding warlords where the only rights and those won by the sword, and the only truths are those uttered by the victor. What kind of empire does the Elissid Crowns most resemble? A — HRE — the many, many, many vassals of the Elissid Crowns pay tribute to the emperor, from Byzantion to Damascus to Seleukia, but they are in all other respects effectively independent (they will use the HRE mechanics from vannila EU4) B — Middle Ground — the core crownlands of the Elissid Crowns are loyal to the emperor, however the governors of the more distant and unruly regions of Egypt, Persia, Mesopotamia, Syria and so forth are growing in autonomy and ambition, and may well represent a threat to the central authority of the empire (they start with several large vassals that will likely rebel in the early years of EU4) C — Absolute Empire — The over-king of the Elissid Crowns is unquestioned in his absolute power, echoing the earlier behemoths of Persian and Islamic superpowers (they start EU4 as a single tag, the Elissid Empire Go forth and vote!
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Nov 22, 2023 17:59
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It looks like C is the most faithful to the actual situation but I fear it will become even worse blob than the original Ottomans very fast. So I'm sure you can make B work there. HRE the Elissid Empire just isn't.
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Nov 22, 2023 18:05
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Since the Renaissance will be starting in the Crowns, might as well go all the way the analogy with A
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Nov 22, 2023 18:07
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Raserys posted:Since the Renaissance will be starting in the Crowns, might as well go all the way the analogy with A I'll buy it. A
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Nov 22, 2023 18:13
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Nov 22, 2023 18:14
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When you have the opportunity to have More HRE the Answer is Always yes.
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Nov 22, 2023 18:19
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A makes the most sense with how many cultures exist within the empire.
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Nov 22, 2023 18:29
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Begone with the HRE!
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Nov 22, 2023 18:35
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B
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Nov 22, 2023 18:38
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I'm going with B - it seems closer to what we actually have and in the hopes it'll lead to a couple of regional powers rather than one power omnoming the entire crown and steamrolling over everything.
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Nov 22, 2023 18:42
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These are some of my favorite part of these LPs! I can definitely see myself reading through this one multiple times. That Being said, though C is pretty accurate in-game, I think B opens up a lot of opportunites for both regional powers, and for the chance for a blob if all goes well for them.
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Nov 22, 2023 19:02
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B
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Nov 22, 2023 19:08
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C because I like to disagree with people on stuff and India was sad that we didn't vote it so I'm avoiding a similar fate.
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Nov 22, 2023 19:23
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Raserys posted:Since the Renaissance will be starting in the Crowns, might as well go all the way the analogy with A A for the above reason.
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Nov 22, 2023 19:32
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Valiantman posted:It looks like C is the most faithful to the actual situation but I fear it will become even worse blob than the original Ottomans very fast. B
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Nov 22, 2023 19:42
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B. C would probably be too dominant gameplay-wise, and A doesn't make sense narratively. We should not force a HRE analogue to exist just because. Let's at least pretend to stay "historically plausible". B still allows for the "collapsing empire" story to play out, or not.
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Nov 22, 2023 19:52
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A
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Nov 22, 2023 20:08
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B seems the most plausible and interesting.
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Nov 22, 2023 20:08
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B looks fun, strong core, fractious periphery.
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Nov 22, 2023 20:52
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B
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Nov 22, 2023 21:59
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B.
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Nov 22, 2023 22:07
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B works for me
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Nov 22, 2023 22:22
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A if only as it gives more shenanigans which might make for some fun paths to come out of stuff.
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Nov 22, 2023 22:38
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A is the one I'd prefer, but I think B is the one which will spawn the most fun stories. A civil war amongst the Elissids will also allow Europe/West Africa to get a reason to go towards the Americas as the trade routes are disrupted by the war.
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Nov 22, 2023 23:34
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B
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Nov 22, 2023 23:48
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B.
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Nov 23, 2023 00:36
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B
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Nov 23, 2023 01:40
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B
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Nov 23, 2023 02:51
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I don't have loads of experience with EUIV, but if you can reduce super-blobbing, C feels most suitable. Otherwise- B.
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Nov 23, 2023 03:22
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B seems reasonable.
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Nov 23, 2023 03:42
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Valiantman posted:It looks like C is the most faithful to the actual situation but I fear it will become even worse blob than the original Ottomans very fast.
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Nov 23, 2023 03:44
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B
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Nov 23, 2023 04:06
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B feels the most narratively plausible and the most likely to lead to a good story. Don’t force an HRE to exist just for the sake of it. Nic Cage, not the HRE, is the only universal constant.
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Nov 23, 2023 04:41
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C
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Nov 23, 2023 05:09
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B
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Nov 23, 2023 05:10
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B If you want a HRE, there's a perfectly good Rome up in Norway.
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Nov 23, 2023 05:18
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Captain Oblivious posted:B feels the most narratively plausible and the most likely to lead to a good story. I think this is a good representation of an empire with many distant holdings with no unifying culture.
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Nov 23, 2023 06:09
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Erwin the German posted:B seems the most plausible and interesting. B for this reason
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Nov 23, 2023 09:43
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I'll go with C, makes the most sense, gives some sort of final boss.
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Nov 23, 2023 12:20
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