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Thoughts on my idea for a modern take: Frank Castle as PMC employee who tries to whistleblow on a Blackwater stand in commiting atrocities who then hire mob hitmen in response?
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Sep 11, 2017 19:00
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Lightning Lord posted:Thoughts on my idea for a modern take: Frank Castle as PMC employee who tries to whistleblow on a Blackwater stand in commiting atrocities who then hire mob hitmen in response? Why hire the mob when you have a perfectly good PMC right there?
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Sep 11, 2017 20:00
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Why hire the mob when you have a perfectly good PMC right there? I bet there's a decent cross section of people who work for both.
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Sep 11, 2017 20:03
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Skwirl posted:I bet there's a decent cross section of people who work for both. PMCs are essentially legalized militarized mobs as it is
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Sep 11, 2017 20:31
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Just update the punisher to some piece of poo poo middle age fat rear end white suburbanite who fantasizes at his dead end middle management job about gunning down "thugs and "ms-13" but as he goes deeper down the right wing white supremecist hellhole he loses his family, friends, and job because he is a useless fat loving Nazi and when he snaps and buys a gun to take out those who he perceives as destroying his life he just shoots his erected dick off while driving around in his coal roller gently caress you truck and bleeds to death.
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Sep 11, 2017 22:30
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Mr Hootington posted:Just update the punisher to some piece of poo poo middle age fat rear end white suburbanite who fantasizes at his dead end middle management job about gunning down "thugs and "ms-13" but as he goes deeper down the right wing white supremecist hellhole he loses his family, friends, and job because he is a useless fat loving Nazi and when he snaps and buys a gun to take out those who he perceives as destroying his life he just shoots his erected dick off while driving around in his coal roller gently caress you truck and bleeds to death. What if The Punisher was a Trump Supporter? Do they still make what if books?
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Sep 11, 2017 22:57
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Zoro posted:What if The Punisher was a Trump Supporter? No, but I'm sure they'll relaunch it eventually. Optimistic choice: Written by Al Ewing Realistic choice: Cullen Bunn
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Sep 11, 2017 23:07
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Zoro posted:What if The Punisher was a Trump Supporter? Secret Empire was already published.
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Sep 11, 2017 23:13
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Roth posted:No, but I'm sure they'll relaunch it eventually. If they ever do it shouldn't have the same writer. Every issue should be by someone else.
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Sep 11, 2017 23:19
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Also, I read Abnett's Nova tofay, and while I liked it more than his Guardians of the Galaxy run, I still feel kinda underwhelmed by it like I was with Guardians. I think the main thing was the rrally frequent tie-ins to event comics. There was, like, a single issue between War of Kings and Realm of Kings.
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Sep 11, 2017 23:25
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X-O posted:If they ever do it shouldn't have the same writer. Every issue should be by someone else. That would be pretty grand, yeah. Besides, we can have a lot of fun with it. "What if Iron Man accepted Predictive Justice?" could lead to a fun sci-fi future rip-off of Minority Report where Superheroes oppressively arrest people and detain them on crimes they only thought of comiting. "What if Green Goblin swapped minds with Peter Parker instead of Doc Ock?" would be an interesting story. He defintely wouldn't do a faux-hero thing and would likely try some messed up poo poo. But, then again, Marvel's problem is they launch too many books without giving their new books time to breathe and find an audience first so they should definitely wait on this.
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Sep 11, 2017 23:41
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Roth posted:Also, I read Abnett's Nova tofay, and while I liked it more than his Guardians of the Galaxy run, I still feel kinda underwhelmed by it like I was with Guardians. I'm going through their overall cosmic run for the first time as well, I'm up to War of Kings (which by the way is quite a clusterfuck to navigate as opposed to the first 2 annihilation events), and while I generally like their writing, it hasn't wowed me like Giffen's Annihilation did. There's almost a... lack of imagination to the way they write dialogue and plot, like they're just constantly setting up big stuff to knock them down without much subtlety. And god does the Darkhawk stuff really, really drag.
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Sep 11, 2017 23:43
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hope and vaseline posted:I'm going through their overall cosmic run for the first time as well, I'm up to War of Kings (which by the way is quite a clusterfuck to navigate as opposed to the first 2 annihilation events), and while I generally like their writing, it hasn't wowed me like Giffen's Annihilation did. There's almost a... lack of imagination to the way they write dialogue and plot, like they're just constantly setting up big stuff to knock them down without much subtlety. And god does the Darkhawk stuff really, really drag. Abnett and Lanning get all the credit for that era of Marvel Cosmic stuff, but Giffen's contributions are way better.
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Sep 11, 2017 23:47
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I've probably posted this before but I would have loved it if they had casted a black man to play The Punisher in Daredevil season 2. The backlash from racists would have been amazing.
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Sep 12, 2017 03:21
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Zoro posted:What if The Punisher was a Trump Supporter? There's no way Punisher votes, and the only part of illegal immigration he probably cares about is the organized crime syndicates that profit off it, so if he could be bothered to have an opinion on it, it'd probably be in favor of more open borders.
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Sep 12, 2017 03:37
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David D. Davidson posted:I've probably posted this before but I would have loved it if they had casted a black man to play The Punisher in Daredevil season 2. The backlash from racists would have been amazing. There's no way he'd have survived police custody if it was a black man.
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Sep 12, 2017 03:40
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Why hire the mob when you have a perfectly good PMC right there? I figure the mafia should always be involved with the Punisher's origin.
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Sep 12, 2017 03:47
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Jeez, you guys sure have your knives out for The Punisher.
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Sep 12, 2017 04:01
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net cafe scandal posted:Jeez, you guys sure have your knives out for The Punisher. This isn't really the best climate for "Extra-Judicial Killing Man" as a concept, nor has it aged particularly well. The Netflix depiction worked because Frank was less a power/revenge fantasy and more a tragic shell of a man.
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Sep 12, 2017 04:50
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Skwirl posted:There's no way Punisher votes, and the only part of illegal immigration he probably cares about is the organized crime syndicates that profit off it, so if he could be bothered to have an opinion on it, it'd probably be in favor of more open borders. That was just a joke based on his description of the character and the fact that Marvel used to have a series of comics where they would reimagine events in a character's life that was sold under the banner of "What if."
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Sep 12, 2017 05:06
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That's what the Punisher typically is in everything else. If he's a power fantasy he's being written badly.
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Sep 12, 2017 05:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XoRGgpF2qc This is the best Punisher content
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Sep 12, 2017 05:09
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I've discovered that Punisher fans really don't like being told that they shouldn't identify with a mass murdering vigilante.
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Sep 12, 2017 05:12
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Rhyno posted:I've discovered that Punisher fans really don't like being told that they shouldn't identify with a mass murdering vigilante. I like a lot of Punisher books, but he probably should have stayed a villain. Tons of people love Darth Vader, very few think Alderan deserved it.
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Sep 12, 2017 05:15
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Skwirl posted:I like a lot of Punisher books, but he probably should have stayed a villain. Tons of people love Darth Vader, very few think Alderan deserved it. Did you not hear what Alderan said about your mother?
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Sep 12, 2017 05:27
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If Black Cat can become a villain then the Punisher should have no problem making that transition.
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Sep 12, 2017 05:28
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Roth posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XoRGgpF2qc This is the best version of the Punisher.
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Sep 12, 2017 05:31
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Skwirl posted:I like a lot of Punisher books, but he probably should have stayed a villain. Tons of people love Darth Vader, very few think Alderan deserved it. Sir, I believe you will find that Alderaan was harboring terrorists and, therefore, the empire was obliged to bring law to that lawless land in the name of Law & Order. Where would we be as an Empire if the Empire's valiant Navy did not act in such a dire situation? /joke
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Sep 12, 2017 05:35
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Alderaan was obviously full of space liberals. They probably thought Wookies had more than five genders.
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Sep 12, 2017 05:54
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Punisher isn't a villain. He's a broken guy who still wants to protect those who can't protect themselves, but goes about it in a violent way that probably doesn't solve much. Because he's ill and doesn't want to stop what he's doing. That's why I like when he goes against Daredevil and Spidey. They are defined by tragedy and see Frank as what they could be if they cross the line, and understand that he needs help.
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Sep 12, 2017 05:58
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It'd be nice if the people Frank mows down got the same understanding.
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Sep 12, 2017 06:06
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Codependent Poster posted:Punisher isn't a villain. He's a broken guy who still wants to protect those who can't protect themselves, but goes about it in a violent way that probably doesn't solve much. Because he's ill and doesn't want to stop what he's doing. Villain wasn't the right word, but yeah, he's best when Daredevil and Spider-Man are dealing with him.
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Sep 12, 2017 06:06
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Lightning Lord posted:Thoughts on my idea for a modern take: Frank Castle as PMC employee who tries to whistleblow on a Blackwater stand in commiting atrocities who then hire mob hitmen in response? This is probably as close as I'll get to Solid Snake getting into the Marvel Universe so sure. The problem with Punisher is that now I have a hard time separating him from the Comedian, they've completely merged in my head.
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Sep 12, 2017 06:19
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Rick posted:The problem with Punisher is that now I have a hard time separating him from the Comedian, they've completely merged in my head. Into what?
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Sep 12, 2017 06:25
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Like I just am surprised that Punisher isn't racist as heck.
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Sep 12, 2017 06:31
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Rick posted:Like I just am surprised that Punisher isn't racist as heck. There's some racist Punisher comics out there, but unlike cops he needs some information that someone's committed a crime before he shoots them.
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Sep 12, 2017 06:39
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TFRazorsaw posted:That's what the Punisher typically is in everything else. Or it's the 90's and he's being written as an action movie character
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Sep 12, 2017 06:57
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Roth posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XoRGgpF2qc No, the best Punisher content is that 5 second clip from Punisher War Zone where he hits the guy doing parkour with a rocket launcher in midair.
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Sep 12, 2017 07:35
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TwoPair posted:No, the best Punisher content is that 5 second clip from Punisher War Zone where he hits the guy doing parkour with a rocket launcher in midair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P35eZvHwDs8 You're not wrong.
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Sep 12, 2017 10:27
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How Did This Get Made had a great episode where they talk about Punisher Warzone and they got Patton Oswalt and Lexi Alexander (the director) as guests, that probably counts as Punisher content. http://www.earwolf.com/episode/punisher-war-zone/
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