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Edgar Allen Ho posted:How do they feel about Lee being a democrat? He’s one of the good ones
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:How do they feel about Lee being a democrat? Lee has been deified into an apolitical figure by fascists because of the whole notion of "loving Virginia more than the Union," as if that was an apolitical stance. Him being a Democrat is less than a footnote in their eyes. These are of course the same people who endlessly vomit memes about the KKK being a Democratic institution without commenting about Confederate Hero Nathan Bedford Forrest role in it. Or the fact that the Southern Democratic party as an institution even in its god-awful hyper-racist post-war state had started cutting ties with the First Klan within two years of its creation seeing it as counter-productive to their goals and a political liability which emboldened Republican state governments and gave the Grant administration justification for crackdowns and other stronger measures against them. ...or just in general that there was a "First Klan," and its two later incarnations can't really be legitimately tied to any political party beyond Woodrow Wilson generally being a racist shithead and making it easier for the Second Klan to get started by boosting Birth Of A Nation.
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Dec 22, 2020 21:00
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JonathonSpectre posted:Around here it's, "Back in the '90s they banned Confederate flag shirts but let them wear Malcolm X stuff!" Freeper brains don't work like that though. There's is more basic. Ban thing that rebelled against US. Well Malcolm X Rebelled too, so why is he allowed. That's it. They don't think about why either was rebelling or the justice in it, partially because they know why Malcolm and the South differ, and partially because they're dumb RagnarokAngel posted:They like the old democrats im sure you can guess why Except when it doesn't support their current argument
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Dec 22, 2020 23:24
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:How do they feel about Lee being a democrat? As you can see from that one Freeper's comment, the Confederacy were simultaneously noble patriots on the level of the 1776 Revolutionary War soldiers, and evil Democrats who wanted slavery because Dems are the real racists. If someone told them Lee was a Democrat, they'd say he was "one of the good ones," say that's a liberal lie, or just make a joke about how if he's a Democrat then why do liberals want to take down his statue.
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Dec 22, 2020 23:25
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If anything it was more like the second English Civil War, because one side were drawing ideologically from a Northern nonconformist ideology and the other were drawing from both groups originally descending from the two rival groups of Parliamentarians and Royalists in that war ending up in the Thirteen Colonies. "Confederacy was the last tantrum of Royalist dweebs" probably doesn't fit the freep narrative though.
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Dec 22, 2020 23:43
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Guavanaut posted:If anything it was more like the second English Civil War, because one side were drawing ideologically from a Northern nonconformist ideology and the other were drawing from What text are you quoting, and would you recommend it? This is a really fascinating line of reasoning and I’d love to know more.
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Dec 23, 2020 01:10
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Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America, it's not perfect and does get a few things wrong by modern reckoning, but the "Second Sons of the South are English Royalist Falisons who never learned to give up and kept on trying to own humans" isn't one of them afaik.
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Dec 23, 2020 01:17
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Guavanaut posted:If anything it was more like the second English Civil War, because one side were drawing ideologically from a Northern nonconformist ideology and the other were drawing from I really need to dig up this hilarious Confederate propaganda pamphlet that was distributed in France during the war in an attempt to sway French public opinion. It goes on about how the South was really inhabited by a “Latin Race” and naturally sympathetic to the Catholic Church, unlike the North, whom are all dour, killjoy Puritans. Edit: here we go. quote:While Hotze ran The Index from London, Edwin De Leon served as “ambassador to public opinion” in France. He also brought a favorable combination of skills as a journalist with diplomatic experience and an extraordinary dose of audacity. Jefferson Davis gave him a purse of $25,000, which he spent freely as “inducements” to journalists and publishers across France. De Leon decided also to publish anonymously his own pamphlet, a thirty-two-page account of La vérité sur les États Confédérés d’Amérique (The Truth About the Confederate States of America). Published anonymously, but in the voice of a knowing native of the South returning from a recent visit, De Leon sought to “educate” the French on two matters. First, the valiant South was determined to fight to the death, and its recent losses in New Orleans would only strengthen resolve. Second, he sought to persuade the French that Southern slavery, quite unlike the French Caribbean variety, was a benign domestic institution and that the happy loyal Negroes’ only fear was the vicious Yankee invaders who cared nothing for their welfare. The most novel aspect of De Leon’s pamphlet was his argument for South’s Latin affinities. Northerners, he explained, were descended largely from “the races of Anglo-Saxon origin,” the zealous Puritans. The South, in contrast, “was principally populated by a Latin race” that descended from Louisiana Creoles, South Carolina Huguenots, and Anglo-Normans whose Cavalier ancestors had defended King Charles against the zealous Puritans. https://oxfordre.com/americanhistory/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199329175.001.0001/acrefore-9780199329175-e-399 Nckdictator fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Dec 23, 2020 01:41
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Nckdictator posted:I really need to dig up this hilarious Confederate propaganda pamphlet that was distributed in France during the war in an attempt to sway French public opinion. It goes on about how the South was really inhabited by a “Latin Race” and naturally sympathetic to the Catholic Church, unlike the North, whom are all dour, killjoy Puritans. The reference to French Caribbean slavery wasn't an accident. Even in 1864 if a politician in France wanted easy support he could just promise "I'll try to get Haiti back under our control"
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Dec 23, 2020 02:44
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Impressed Freep still has some dissent along conservative lines about Trump's $2000 proposal.
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Dec 23, 2020 08:34
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Nckdictator posted:I really need to dig up this hilarious Confederate propaganda pamphlet that was distributed in France during the war in an attempt to sway French public opinion. It goes on about how the South was really inhabited by a “Latin Race” and naturally sympathetic to the Catholic Church, unlike the North, whom are all dour, killjoy Puritans.
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Dec 23, 2020 10:54
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Elea posted:Impressed Freep still has some dissent along conservative lines about Trump's $2000 proposal. A lot of them are true believers about not receiving handouts, not even for themselves.
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Dec 23, 2020 10:57
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While the Chevaliers were also psychos, it is important to remember that when they won the Puritans did commit genocide. Idealizing either side of the English Civil War kinda marks you as a very okay with war crimes.
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Dec 23, 2020 11:05
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Yes, everyone on every side behaved in a manner that you'd like to think would be condemned today (but realistically would probably be waved away given what horrors we've allowed to be precipitated in Libya and Yemen), but Charles is noteworthy in that his actions were so beyond the accepted order that they were brought up in a trial that contains the first modern use of the term 'war crime' and led to the execution of a king. Confederate ambassadors going around saying "our ancestors are those that defended Charles" is on the same page as modern as modern Wehraboos.
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Dec 23, 2020 11:39
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Charles's execution had way more to do with his refusal to make any official surrender than it did the actions of his side of the war. He kept escaping jail and raising yet another army only to be beaten again. Which yes needed a permanent solution. You can't have the king starting a new civil war every time you let him out of your site for more than 10 minutes. I just honestly have very little ability to sympathize with the guys who immediately after killing him decided to go commit genocide against the Irish. Substantial differences can only really be drawn up if you think war crimes against the English are somehow worse than warcrimes against the Irish. Which yeah it's werhabooish to like the Chevaliers or Charles 1, but genuinely liking Cromwell and the other Puritans is similarly weird. As opposed to the American Civil War where the Union are straight up the better side, and thankfully didn't spend much time playing into the Confederates weird rear end roleplaying.
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Dec 23, 2020 11:58
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English land policy in Ireland post Civil War was an inexcusable crime, as was the US forceful westward expansion post Civil War, but the Confederates were still venerating the first guy in modern history to be called a war criminal, even if the guy that followed him was also terrible. The irony is that they were hedging their idea of 'liberty' in something that was handed down from God as a hegemonic thing that excused any atrocity, and there's a bunch of Lost Causers around that still believe in it.
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Dec 23, 2020 12:22
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Imagine if the Freeps could empathize with anyone who wasn't on the losing side.
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Dec 23, 2020 12:26
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Guavanaut posted:That is hilarious, and "our Cavalier ancestors defended a notorious war criminal monarch whose actions were shocking even at the time" probably wasn't the epic defense that they hoped for in post-Revolution France. Nah. The current liberal Emperor was one of the confederacy’s loudest supporters and there were tons and tons of various flavours of reactionaries.
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Dec 23, 2020 14:21
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"Well of course the liberals would support slavery" I say as I put on my MAGA hat and 'the Civil War was actually about supporting small businesses' t-shirt and log in to free republic dot com.
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Dec 23, 2020 14:28
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Elea posted:Impressed Freep still has some dissent along conservative lines about Trump's $2000 proposal. They are starting to cope with the fact that Trump lost. If he's a loser, they don't have to defend everything he does.
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Dec 23, 2020 15:20
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Elea posted:Impressed Freep still has some dissent along conservative lines about Trump's $2000 proposal. Well yeah, this is a struggle between two of their core ideologies. On one hand it's trump, our lord and master. On the other hand it's a free handout that will go to those people
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Dec 23, 2020 15:24
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Elea posted:Impressed Freep still has some dissent along conservative lines about Trump's $2000 proposal. Got a link to the thread? Not seeing it but freep isn’t the most user friendly website
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Dec 23, 2020 19:16
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Trump throws wrench into COVID relief by saying he won't sign bipartisan bill I guess these expenses make sense if you're the child of a freeper. quote:To: Arcadian Empire  gently caress YOU, KIDS!!!!quote:To: Arcadian Empire quote:To: Arcadian Empire Well obviously  quote:To: metmom quote:To: Arcadian Empire I always love when freepers write out their prayers that are completely anathema to the teachings of The Bible. quote:To: albie  O Lord Baby Jesus, please don't let minorities and the poor benefit from this bill. Also please make Trump president again.
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Dec 23, 2020 20:08
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kik2dagroin posted:I always love when freepers write out their prayers that are completely anathema to the teachings of The Bible. This is like, a textbook example of why Jesus said not to pray in public. Matthew 6:5 posted:“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. That post is a performative act going "Look at how righteous I am for praying for these things," it isn't meant for God, it's meant for other Freepers.
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Dec 23, 2020 21:00
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Twelve by Pies posted:This is like, a textbook example of why Jesus said not to pray in public. He should try loudly praying it on a street corner to really show people his righteousness
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Dec 23, 2020 22:08
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Twelve by Pies posted:This is like, a textbook example of why Jesus said not to pray in public. I think it might be a performance meant to reassure the freeper posting it, to dispel those ungodly doubts that the lord donald john trump eternal king and father of the American people might not be president in a month.
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Dec 23, 2020 22:19
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RagnarokAngel posted:Oh no I enjoy them too. Im talking about the type of people who make like gifs of the final fight of Endgame and slap labels on all the characters of whoever is on their side or the opposing side of the political spectrum, or do the whole "Trump is voldemort Obama is Dumbledore" or whatever. Just basically incapable of grasping politics outside of the realm of media they consume. if obama did this the right would be complaining for decades about how he wasted taxpayer money
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Dec 23, 2020 23:40
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The China virus doesn't scare me, Venezuelaism does. lol
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Dec 23, 2020 23:43
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PBS's Alcindor: 'Large Majority' of Trump Fans Fear the 'Browning of America'(not lew) As good, moral, upstanding citizens, these Freepers have never, NEVER, heard of anyone who fears the 'browning of America'. What nonsense. quote:To: rktman quote:To: rktman quote:To: rktman quote:To: rktman quote:To: rktman quote:To: rktman I'm being told there is another half of this thread. quote:To: rktman quote:To: Governor Dinwiddie quote:To: rktman quote:To: rktman quote:To: rktman quote:To: DesertRhino quote:To: rightwingcrazy quote:To: rktman quote:To: DesertRhino
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Dec 24, 2020 00:49
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kik2dagroin posted:Trump throws wrench into COVID relief by saying he won't sign bipartisan bill gently caress YOU, KIDS!!!![/quote] [/quote] Well obviously I always love when freepers write out their prayers that are completely anathema to the teachings of The Bible. O Lord Baby Jesus, please don't let minorities and the poor benefit from this bill. Also please make Trump president again.[/quote] Freepers are probably the safest people from the virus mainly because no one wants to be within shouting distance of any of them.
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Dec 24, 2020 05:25
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Freepers in disarray.   House fails to unanimously approve $2,000 COVID-19 checks quote:
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Dec 24, 2020 17:14
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“It’s the Democrats fault we can’t pass a stimulus bill that we shouldn’t have anyway because it’s a socialist handout and Trump is smart for killing it but also wants it to be bigger and also he single handedly invented the vaccine for the virus that doesn’t exist”
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Dec 24, 2020 19:06
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quote:My wife’s brother married a Jewish woman and practices the faith, so we’ve attended Bris ceremonies and Bar Mitzvahs. One of our nephews (through my wife’s sister) identifies as female, dressing and acting as one. I don’t think he’s had the chop-it-off-of-me operation yet. these sentences amuse me as a jewish trans person.
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Dec 24, 2020 19:08
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Trump vetoes defense spending bill, says it's 'gift' to China and Russia, lacks Section 230 reformsquote:To: gattaca quote:To: gattaca I had to dig through their post history a bit to be sure AmericanInTokyo is being sarcastic. quote:To: gattaca
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Dec 24, 2020 19:34
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In the coming weeks, the Congress will meet to ratify the Electoral College results, and courts will hear whatever may be left of the legal challenges. Let's assume a worst case scenario, no miraculous reversal occurs, the Biden-Harris administration arrive in DC to be sworn in on January 20th. My belief is that they cannot in good conscience take the oath of office (to preserve and defend the constitution) because their actual mission is to weaken the country fatally in advance of some sort of globalist revolutionary government being installed (they are in fact it, for all intents and purposes). Here's a template that I call "maximum resistance" to the globalist plot. Around January 8th to 10th, an emergency meeting should take place involving the current president and vice-president, the state governors who would be willing to sign a loyalty pledge, and elected senators and congressmen/women who would also be willing to sign. The loyalty pledge would set up a provisional government to preserve and defend the constitution, to be located in a safe heartland city surrounded by loyal states. States that are not willing to join would be admitted to the new "Authentic Form of the United States of America" by proxy and loyal elements there could vote on who would represent them. The new congress would have the same form as the existing one, but would assign one senator to missing states (presumably almost all missing states would have at least some representation). For congressional districts, the current ones would work for the loyal states, and additional ones would be assigned to groups of "loyalist counties" in non-member states. The process would then be one of augmentation of the area of the Authentic Form of the U.S.A. (hereafter the AFUSA). For example, if all counties of Washington state east of the Cascades voted to join, then "Washington" in the AFUSA would consist of those counties alone. So long as the proportion of total state population was under 50% those augmented states would have one Senator and a handful of congressional seats. The longer range objective would be to gain further territory as adjacent counties saw an advantage to leaving the Occupied Zone (as it would be known in the AFUSA) and joining the AFUSA between 2021 and 2028. The Trump-Pence administration would be recognized as legitimately elected and would serve from 2021 to 2024. The Democratic Party would be considered an agent of subversion, a de facto recognition of its power to rule the Occupied Zones would be coupled with a statement of non-co-operation from the AFUSA, no recognition of the government of those territories, no trade and no cultural exchanges. Borders would be strictly protected and no elements of the Occupied Zone would be allowed into AFUSA territory unless it was deemed to be in the national interest. Welcome centers would be set up to receive refugees from the Occupied Zones, if they were willing to sign and make a public declaration of an oath of loyalty to the Constitution. Obviously the constitution would need to be amended in places to reflect the new reality, but the objective would be to maintain it throughout with the amendments just bringing it up to date with the new reality. The Supreme Court of the United States would not be recognized and a new Supreme Court of the AFUSA would be appointed. Like-minded Canadian provinces such as Alberta and Saskatchewan could be invited to join the new entity, but their full participation would have to await their own negotiations with the government of Canada. The military would be asked to make arrangements within 90 days and a separate military oversight would be set up within the AFUSA. The assets of the United States military located on AFUSA territory would be left to the discretion of the existing military oversight and it would be assumed that some if not all of these assets would go to the temporary control of the Occupied Zones under the fabrication of their continuing to be the legitimate government of the United States. The AFUSA would count on its citzens for primary defense and would have a policy of neutrality within global geopolitical spheres -- therefore no military would be needed, as invasion from other nearby countries could be repelled by citizen militia and would likely not be attempted anyway. The borders with Canada and Mexico would be sealed and no commerce would be allowed to cross those borders unless it was deemed to be in the national interest. Hopefully the economic success of the AFUSA compared to the rapid disintegration of the economy of the OZ would compel more counties near the borders to transfer loyalty to the AFUSA and further constrict the OZ into a few large urban areas which would collapse under the contradictions of socialist economic nonsense in the absence of rich taxpayers to maintain the illusion that they could work for any length of time. If the OZ applied to rejoin en masse, it would have to be on the terms of the AFUSA and surrender would have to include the incarceration of all significant elements of globalist power which previously had been misused in efforts to subvert the country's independence and the freedom of individual citizens. Anyway, this is the template of how you actually defeat globalism. Another paradigm is widespread civil unrest leading to civil war, something that would not work and would only lead to a lot of death and destruction for no good reason (since it could be assumed that the unchallenged government of the United States would enact harsh reprisals against dissidents, even though dissidents would be those seeking to preserve and defend the constitution and protect individual freedom and liberty). Anything else is just talk and a de facto surrender to globalism.
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Dec 25, 2020 00:40
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I think that poster just re invented Mercantilism.
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Dec 25, 2020 00:46
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I will consider your opinion Pontius Pilate.
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Dec 25, 2020 00:47
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Ah yes, the time honoured “I’m drawing a line down the middle of the house, everything on my side is mine, stay on your own side” approach to governance. I do believe this worked well in I Love Lucy therefore —
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Dec 25, 2020 01:03
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That reminds me of the time I was in fifth grade and my friend and I designed a totally kickass next Kirby game.
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Pontius Pilate posted:Hopefully the economic success of the AFUSA compared to the rapid disintegration of the economy of the OZ would compel more counties near the borders to transfer loyalty to the AFUSA and further constrict the OZ into a few large urban areas which would collapse under the contradictions of socialist economic nonsense in the absence of rich taxpayers to maintain the illusion that they could work for any length of time. Ok there's a lot to unpack from this "Totally not a civil war" manifesto but holy poo poo in what universe does this guy live in where the blue states aren't the economic powerhouses of America? I mean yeah if Los Angeles and New York just wrote off the rest of the country those places would have their own problems, but he seems to think a secessionist government would be a full on Galt's Gulch level capitalist paradise where no one has a care in the world if they're willing to work for it, and it would reach that pinnacle overnight with zero foreign investment.
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