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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Farmer Crack-rear end posted:


Really that episode just shits all over Troi's character. If she was supposed to actually be ranking officer in a crisis like that, she should have had prior training and experience that would make her at least somewhat more qualified than what she saw. And if she's supposed to be a specialist who doesn't do that kind of stuff, that's fine too! ...it just means that in that scenario, Ensign Ro should be taking command. Which might well have made for an interesting story by itself, and hell maybe it was even written that way in a previous draft before one of the producers came down and said "nuhhh you can't do that, it's got to be one of the regular cast".

She wasn't supposed to be a command chain officer, but neither was Ro or O'Brien, so it fell to her after all.

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Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

Part of it is just that the space not-a-navy has really inconsistent procedures and chain of command issues. I swear it took them three seasons to figure out that if Data is the second officer that means he should be giving orders. Also Crusher was apparently a full commander all along, and I'm pretty sure Troi was as well from season 6 on, which is.. OK.

Of course, the old Enterprise had three captains (four counting Sulu) and who knows how many commanders running around by the end, so I guess there's precedent. I have no idea what McCoy's formal rank was, either.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Duckbag posted:

I have no idea what McCoy's formal rank was, either.

Whatever the gently caress he wanted it to be.

Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013

This may or may not be correct.

McCoy's only rank was Disco Stud.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


The 70s were a dark time.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Starfleet should've made common use of a 'specialist' ranking for 'gently caress all this rank poo poo I'm just here to science'.

Then again, that would've been complicated with Troi because she's a lead member of the ship's medical services.

SomeMathGuy
Oct 4, 2014

The people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine.

Duckbag posted:

I have no idea what McCoy's formal rank was, either.
I assume he was actually an admiral the entire time but every time they tried to give him a desk job he'd respond with "Dammit Starfleet I'm a doctor not a bureaucrat!" and they backed down.

Drink-Mix Man
Mar 4, 2003

You are an odd fellow, but I must say... you throw a swell shindig.

Grand Fromage posted:

The 70s were a dank time.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

SomeMathGuy posted:

There's always a risk of motion sickness depending on individual susceptibility with any first person thing, but I agree that Bridge Crew's setup is such that the risk is highly mitigated.

The latest batch of positionally tracked headsets don't make people sick (PSVR maybe). Artificial locomotion can, but room-scale movement and sitting arrangements feel natural.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




SwissCM posted:

The latest batch of positionally tracked headsets don't make people sick (PSVR maybe). Artificial locomotion can, but room-scale movement and sitting arrangements feel natural.

Depends on the person; there are still a subset of people who get sick even with a full 90FPS on a Vive.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

MikeJF posted:

Depends on the person; there are still a subset of people who get sick even with a full 90FPS on a Vive.

I think a lot of those people may just not have adjusted the IPD. Or they're particularly sensitive to the lack of variable convergence but that tends to be something that makes you feel weird after you're out of it rather than something you notice while wearing it.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



There seem to be two main causes of VR sickness: framerate inconsistency, and VR experiences that simulate a character walking around on two legs. Seated VR with a consistent framerate is generally much safer territory than unseated.

At least that was my experience with a Vive. :shrug:

vermin
Feb 28, 2017

Help, I've turned into a manifestation of mental disorders as viewed through an early 20th century lens sparked by the disparity between man and modern society and I can't get up

Cojawfee posted:

When my Earthican grandmother comes to Rigel 7, we love to take her to get a taste of the old planet. We take her to Terries where the lasagna​ burgers fresh, never replicated, just like her grandmother used to make.

Here at Terries you're always la famiglia (Human: The Family).
*cut to shot of grandma eating a burger with a knife and fork*

vermin fucked around with this message at 15:15 on May 31, 2017

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

Delsaber posted:

McCoy's only rank was Disco Stud.



I forgot how SHATNER the acting was in the movie. It's like Bill started believing all the parodies were the way to play Kirk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Lo-d8AWL0

vermin
Feb 28, 2017

Help, I've turned into a manifestation of mental disorders as viewed through an early 20th century lens sparked by the disparity between man and modern society and I can't get up

Delsaber posted:

McCoy's only rank was Disco Stud.



:okpos: his head is HUGE

Dirty
Apr 8, 2003

Ceci n'est pas un fabricant de pates

SimonCat posted:

I forgot how SHATNER the acting was in the movie. It's like Bill started believing all the parodies were the way to play Kirk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Lo-d8AWL0

My favourite part of that scene is the offered handshake, is immediately upgraded to a Shatner-level offer by a follow-up thrust of the hand.

My second favourite part is everyone's quiet mirth at McCoy being "irrationally" afraid of the transporter, as though they hadn't just watched two people die painful, messy transporter deaths on those same pads an hour earlier.

Orv
May 4, 2011
God those uniforms are the woooooooooorst.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

MikeJF posted:

She wasn't supposed to be a command chain officer, but neither was Ro or O'Brien, so it fell to her after all.

How was Ro not a command chain officer? She was a bridge officer who wore command red. She was certainly towards the end of the list, of course, but the entire point of the episode is that everybody else was dead or elsewhere.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Duckbag posted:

I have no idea what McCoy's formal rank was, either.

Pretty sure he was a Lieutenant Commander in TOS, a full Commander in the movies, and of course an Admiral in TNG.

vermin
Feb 28, 2017

Help, I've turned into a manifestation of mental disorders as viewed through an early 20th century lens sparked by the disparity between man and modern society and I can't get up
If you served on an Enterprise, any Enterprise, you will become an admiral dammit!

Congratulations Admiral Broccoli!

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Admiral Argyle

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Ah the enterprise being built in a rural cornfield scene. Just moments previously there was modern product placement and a very clear sign earth was still capitalist as gently caress with telcom corporations and branding. In the span of about 3 min the movie told me everything I needed to know about it.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

vermin posted:

If you served on an Enterprise, any Enterprise, you will become an admiral dammit!

Paterson Supra, Admiral in charge of Radishes.

Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013

This may or may not be correct.

Admiral Shimoda's got the wildest ship in the quadrant.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

It reminds me of this piece of poo poo:




Which ship is that supposed to be again? I can't find a registry number. :v:

Why the hell did they decide the ship was built on the ground in Iowa.

gently caress you, JJ.

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Pretty sure he was a Lieutenant Commander in TOS, a full Commander in the movies, and of course an Admiral in TNG.

That reminds me, I really love what they did with Sulu in the Star Trek movies. His desire for his own command was a nice subplot for the folks paying attention with a great payoff, and I like how it deepened the character as portrayed in TOS in the sense that you can rewatch TOS and read Sulu's character as motivated by the dream to captain his own ship some day - I love retcons that enhance existing continuity and subtext rather than providing an alternate explanation than what was originally intended.

Kind of reminds me of something people say about a real conspiracy vs a conspiracy theory. The more information that comes out about a conspiracy theory, the cloudier the theory becomes (e.g., all the things that would all have to secretly be true for the government to have done 9/11). The more information that comes out about a real conspiracy, the clearer the truth becomes (eg, over time the story of the watergate scandal has become more clear) Retcons aren't bad; ones that muddy the water are. Star Trek has had its share of good and bad retcons, that's for sure.

They need to do a post VOY Trek. If you can find a way to write a post-scarcity society you can find a way to write one that involves whatever crazy fast travel they figured out or whatever. I don't want Discovery to have a bunch of episodes where they meet the Borg and then come up with coy explanations for why nobody knows about them when Q decides to gently caress around with the Enterprise D.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
Does Star Trek TNG keep the vaporwave aesthetic throughout the whole TV run? I ask because I saw a screenshot from one of the movies and it was closer to 2000s blue-gray sci-fi.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




McNally posted:

How was Ro not a command chain officer?

She was probably removed because of her guilty finding in her court martial just before TNG? I dunno. On the D she was the driver.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Baronjutter posted:

Ah the enterprise being built in a rural cornfield scene. Just moments previously there was modern product placement and a very clear sign earth was still capitalist as gently caress with telcom corporations and branding. In the span of about 3 min the movie told me everything I needed to know about it.

The existence of company names and branding means exactly nothing to the economic system in place.

Nokia is a design bureau. Budweiser is a flavor.

Thank you, drive through.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Does Star Trek TNG keep the vaporwave aesthetic throughout the whole TV run? I ask because I saw a screenshot from one of the movies and it was closer to 2000s blue-gray sci-fi.

Pretty much. The first movie has the same aesthetic but with the gamma turned way down, and then the rest are in grimdark ENT-style decor.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

FuturePastNow posted:

Why the hell did they decide the ship was built on the ground in Iowa.

gently caress you, JJ.

Why would they paint the livery on before it was finished?

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

MikeJF posted:

She was probably removed because of her guilty finding in her court martial just before TNG? I dunno. On the D she was the driver.

Sulu was the driver for the original Enterprise and took command when Kirk, Spock, and Scotty were away. The court martial, if I recall correctly, demoted her or froze her promotions for awhile. If it was something severe enough to bump her from the chain of command, it was severe enough to throw her out of Starfleet entirely.

...

I'm seriously arguing this. What the hell has happened to my life.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Rhyno posted:

Why would they paint the livery on before it was finished?

Because it's a teaser poster for a movie, not a literal spacecraft.

It's a good poster :colbert:

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Sash! posted:

The existence of company names and branding means exactly nothing to the economic system in place.

Nokia is a design bureau. Budweiser is a flavor.

Thank you, drive through.
They kept Budweiser, though? Really? Budweiser?

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."
https://clips.twitch.tv/FaithfulIncredulousPotTBCheesePull

So that bridge crew, looking pretty fun.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

The future is now.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Gonz posted:

The future is now.

No, now is the future



FOREVER

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




McNally posted:

Sulu was the driver for the original Enterprise and took command when Kirk, Spock, and Scotty were away. The court martial, if I recall correctly, demoted her or froze her promotions for awhile. If it was something severe enough to bump her from the chain of command, it was severe enough to throw her out of Starfleet entirely.

...


Station doesn't have anything to do with the chain. Another Conn officer on the D was pre-academy Wesley, for god's sake.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
If I won the lottery I would use every drat penny to make sure that on a random day, everyone Wil Wheaton encountered would say "Shut up Wesley."

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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Oh it's so good. Whenever we'd take damage I'd throw my body around like an idiot to be true to the show.

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