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B | 77 | 25.50% | |
K | 160 | 52.98% | |
M | 65 | 21.52% | |
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joepinetree posted:I don't think it's even so much her. But do you think Daou, Mook, Blumenthal would ever get a job or anywhere close to a position of power or influence if Clinton got away from politics entirely? The people punching left the hardest are the same people who would instantly be out of jobs if the party moved left. This does explain a lot. I wonder if Hillaristas self-segregating into their own safe space will make it easier for the rest of us.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 05:41 |
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Inescapable Duck posted:I wonder if Hillaristas self-segregating into their own safe space will make it easier for the rest of us.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 05:43 |
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Sneakster posted:The liberals are against people who are against fascists while the old guard is dying off. I think we're at the start of a political Earthquake. If it is uncomfortably honest, you have a disgustingly fetishistic understanding of transness. But it isn't. I mean look at you. Obsessing over sex with TERFs. You're gonna have to get up a lot earlier in the morning to pull off this kind of charade, bucko.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 05:51 |
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Sneakster posted:You're right. Lies, all of it. I'm a 6`4 rock jawed man of men, heterosexual men don't get uncomfortably hostile with me due to some confused gay panic sentiment making places like mens shelters explicitly more dangerous, women have no right to refuse my wants, lesbians should be coerced into sleeping with me via in an environment that stigmatizes them for not considering me as a sexual partner appropriate for their organizing (especially teenagers at university meeting potential partners for the first time, those trans phobic bigots really need to know what their missing out on), and any diversion from gender norms I have give me a right to assert that women have no right to refuse my demands. So okay, I see some hardcore projection and self-loathing. Which is okay, I understand. Really! I transitioned five years ago or so, and between my genetics and my access to resources (namely money, but supportive family, excellent university support), I got really lucky and passed flawlessly after five months. Not all transwoman fit the mold your trying to construct or imagine (who you are and would be), so you really should just consider stepping back and shutting the gently caress up. But as I said, I really do understand. On the super rare occasions that I discuss my status with people I'm close to IRL, I have a natural incliniation to counter-signal ("I'm don't really care for the... LGBT movement. I'm not like those people!"). Now, note that said inclination, I don't actually do it because I am not a petulant child and such behavior only shines back really unfavorably. If you want, private message me and I can suggest some resources regarding transition stuff. The TMT here is full of loving weirdos and I would not suggest it.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 05:52 |
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wtf is this bullshit
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:08 |
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William Contraalto posted:If it is uncomfortably honest, you have a disgustingly fetishistic understanding of transness. But it isn't. I mean look at you. Obsessing over sex with TERFs. You're gonna have to get up a lot earlier in the morning to pull off this kind of charade, bucko. UR MR GAY posted:So okay, I see some hardcore projection and self-loathing. Which is okay, I understand. Really! UR MR GAY posted:But as I said, I really do understand. On the super rare occasions that I discuss my status with people I'm close to IRL, I have a natural incliniation to counter-signal ("I'm don't really care for the... LGBT movement. I'm not like those people!"). Now, note that said inclination, I don't actually do it because I am not a petulant child and such behavior only shines back really unfavorably. If you want, private message me and I can suggest some resources regarding transition stuff. The TMT here is full of loving weirdos and I would not suggest it. Condiv posted:wtf is this bullshit
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:11 |
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Sneakster posted:Not sure. Got a a little weird there, anyway... and yet this post is full of the same bullshit?
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:12 |
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Condiv posted:and yet this post is full of the same bullshit?
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:15 |
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Condiv posted:wtf is this bullshit someone trying very carefully to be as pc as possible about their transphobia anyway, missed detail in Gab.Ai For Hillary Stans' launch; Peter "I Served In A Fascist Militia In Lebanon" Daou will be doing a podcast as a part of it this may circle all the way around from hopelessly tone-deaf to hilariously tone-deaf, so fingers crossed on that one
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:16 |
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Sneakster posted:Meant that in a a moving on kind of way if you don't want that discussion in the thread. i would very much like that you don't talk about transgender people like that in this thread. how about gbs or something?
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:16 |
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Sneakster posted:Women not wanting what they consider male attention or intrusion into their space is a basic right, and lesbians not attracted to trans women aren't radical or bigots. You're either so self absorbed you delusion is your only response to criticism or you're just irredeemable shameless human filth. I'm not going to bother addressing your political points individually. Your framework is too narrow and your relationship with this subject is too personal - It would be a waste of both our times. You're entire mode of thinking is wrapped and bound to the false dichotomies that serve to define the current Zeitgeist. This the same Zeitgest that positions heterosexual rights against homosexual rights, white rights against minority rights, trans(men/women) rights against cis(women/men) rights. It's the same game that 95% of the idiots in this forum full waste their time playing, and it accomplishes nothing other than feeding their own self-righteousness delusions. If you want to talk. My junk email is: ~gone~. Message me there and I'll give you my skype. UR MR GAY fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Sep 4, 2017 |
# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:19 |
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Whats with the weirdos in this thread today,
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:26 |
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The cool kids were probated.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:26 |
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Ze Pollack posted:someone trying very carefully to be as pc as possible about their transphobia Condiv posted:i would very much like that you don't talk about transgender people like that in this thread. how about gbs or something? *I'm a coward and willing to conform to social norms. UR MR GAY posted:If you want to talk. My junk email is: redacted Edit: sent. Mister Facetious posted:The cool kids were probated. Sneakster fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Sep 4, 2017 |
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Too bad it was the same loving argument with him, over and over again. Even cartoon villains try something different each week.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:40 |
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Sneakster posted:Women not wanting what they consider male attention or intrusion into their space is a basic right, and lesbians not attracted to trans women aren't radical or bigots. You're either so self absorbed you delusion is your only response to criticism or you're just irredeemable shameless human filth. The idea that trans women are salivating rapists (except you, apparently, you shining star you) is so incredibly disgusting it moves into laughable territory before remembering that people who believe this exist and encourage violence against trans people, especially children. So, uh, go gently caress yourself.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 06:48 |
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Mister Facetious posted:Too bad it was the same loving argument with him, over and over again. William Contraalto posted:The idea that trans women are salivating rapists (except you, apparently, you shining star you) is so incredibly disgusting it moves into laughable territory before remembering that people who believe this exist and encourage violence against trans people, especially children. So, uh, go gently caress yourself.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:00 |
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Sneakster posted:It doesn't matter how much I identify with being female or how well I pass, or even that that heterosexual women are practically inappropriate partners: stigmatizing cis lesbians for not wanting trans women in their space is coercion. Asserting I have a right to intrude in an environment that would pressure them into considering me a partner is tad too close to corrective rape for my tastes. My dude, people can tell you're lying when you do it this poorly. If you were completely honest instead of ineptly saying "trans women are actually men", the vast majority of people in this thread would still allow you to belch propaganda without one peep of objection.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:02 |
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William Contraalto posted:My dude, people can tell you're lying when you do it this poorly. If you were completely honest instead of ineptly saying "trans women are actually men", the vast majority of people in this thread would still allow you to belch propaganda without one peep of objection.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:08 |
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Sneakster posted:Sex and gender aren't the same thing. People born with female biology have a right to association, which includes the right to exclude people born with male biology. They have the right to voluntary association of course, but you have no right to tell gay people they have no right to fraternize among themselves, even if just the right kind of penis would cure their trans phobia. So... why is that ok, but skin color biology is wrong? What is meaningfully different between the two?
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:12 |
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Is this some kind of liberal autism where the very concept of discrimination is somehow incomprehensible except in the most exaggerated and absolute sense and thus ends up being accused of being racism no matter how utterly incoherent the comparison is? Bel Shazar posted:So... why is that ok, but skin color biology is wrong? What is meaningfully different between the two? I am literally the best case scenario and the very loving essence in terms of basic physical safety of the argument for trans women having a right to women's spaces. That doesn't give me the right to assert biologically female women don't have the right to reject me, morally or legally.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:30 |
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Sneakster posted:Is this some kind of liberal autism where the very concept of discrimination is somehow incomprehensible except in the most exaggerated and absolute sense and thus ends up being accused of being racism no matter how utterly incoherent the comparison is? I feel like we're not talking about the same things. So, I'm going to completely agree that gay people exist, coercion is wrong, and corrective rape is wrong. Now, that all being said, why is it ok for people to segregate in bathrooms by biological sex but not biological skin color?
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:33 |
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Bel Shazar posted:Now, that all being said, why is it ok for people to segregate in bathrooms by biological sex but not biological skin color? Biological men are still more violent than biological women by an extraordinary margin, and biological women have the right to their own spaces. The bathroom bills stuff is mainly anti trans hysteria, but biological women still have the moral right to association.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:44 |
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I thought you said you were going to stop?
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:48 |
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Condiv posted:I thought you said you were going to stop?
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:50 |
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Sneakster posted:In practice, the time saved by urinals. Now why are you comparing sexually compatible people with different skin colors with dismantling women's right to association? Heh, so the urinal argument makes sense, though I'm not sure you would HAVE to exclude women just because there are urinals there. If a woman wants to use the men's room I don't know that I care. Maybe just identify the type of facility and let people self-select. I'm definitely not arguing against a right to association. Freedom to exclude is a wholly other thing. I think bathrooms should be single stall, but that's not what we have right now. Since we're forced to deal with gendered bathrooms, I want to at least entertain the violence argument you made, but I can't find a thing about a higher prevalence of violence against women by transwomen, but I find volumes about violence against transwomen by men. So even if I take your argument at face value, it seems that there is a greater risk of violence by excluding transwomen from the ladies room.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:54 |
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Condiv posted:I thought you said you were going to stop? I mean, I *did* ask.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 07:54 |
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Bel Shazar posted:I mean, I *did* ask. Bel Shazar posted:Heh, so the urinal argument makes sense, though I'm not sure you would HAVE to exclude women just because there are urinals there. If a woman wants to use the men's room I don't know that I care. Maybe just identify the type of facility and let people self-select. 1: Freedom of association is the right to exclude, otherwise minorities would have literally no right to fraternize/organize. Women are subjugated by men physically and socially, discrimination isn't the liberal orthodoxy, but I'm going to side with women's rights over liberalism even if feminism is sexism which is racism if you torture the logic into complete inanity. Bathrooms are a red herring for a much broader issue that includes women's shelters, rape crises counselors, and various situations that are largely about women's right to women only spaces that rely on their right to exclude men, including biologically male trans women, ie to associate among themselves. In every way, especially my own physical safety, a women's shelter would be far more appropriate, that still doesn't give me the right to tell biologically female women they shouldn't have the right to exclude me. 2: Men are more violent than women, to the extent that pretty much almost all murders are committed by them. Biological women have every moral right to exclude biological men for their physical safety, even if they don't identify as men, and its disingenuous to reduce the issue to bathroom bills. 3: Lesbians are a small part of the population, this isn't a minor thing, and making it illegal for them to fraternize without biological males intruding on their space while stigmatizing not wanting to have sex with a penis as trans phobia is pretty much tantamount to endorsing corrective rape, and publicly supporting the brutalization of women not wanting to have sex with a penis isn't going to make it any better no matter how you shove your rear end up your rear end to pull out the jargon needed to justify pressuring them into liking dick. I'm sure heterosexual biological males are certain that rejecting them is a monstrous crime that needs to be corrected in just the right way, but I'm going to err on the side of letting biological women make that decision rather than asserting corrective rape is the answer as long you just use the right pressure.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 08:36 |
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The genius who came up with the Verritis seven digit authentication system should get an award. Imagine the wonders it will do for the discourse! A: "39283721?" B: "98615312!!!" A: "Oh, 98615312? 98615312!"
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 09:16 |
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yronic heroism posted:What will this thread's spin be if they manage to flip the House? It's not a secret that Republicans are awful, and it is possible to win off the back of that fact. This is pretty much what happened in 2006, and the Dems were a horror show of a political party then, as well. But I'm not really eager to repeat "GOP reminds everyone how awful they are, Democrats win by default," then wait a few years to start again, ad nauseam. How about this: based on what the Democratic establishment has been up to since Trump was elected, what do you think they're actually going to do, should they win the House and (being generous here) the Senate in 2018? Keep it to stuff that hasn't got anything directly to do with Trump.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 09:54 |
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yronic heroism posted:Dems now polling 10 points ahead of Republicans on congressional ballot. Well maybe the other guy will gently caress up so badly that we win by default, and that'll show you all!
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 10:22 |
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What the gently caress is wrong with you people
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 12:55 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:Well maybe the other guy will gently caress up so badly that we win by default, and that'll show you all! It worked for Trump.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 12:59 |
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yronic heroism posted:Dems now polling 10 points ahead of Republicans on congressional ballot.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 13:16 |
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https://twitter.com/Impeach_D_Trump/status/904485015546933248
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 13:22 |
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Is Hillary really that transparently greedy and ambitious that she'd gently caress over the party's chances and also millions upon millions of people's safety and wellbeing just to get that sweet, sweet oval office she "deserves"? Apparently so.
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yronic heroism posted:Dems now polling 10 points ahead of Republicans on congressional ballot.
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 13:43 |
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Shukaro posted:Is Hillary really that transparently greedy and ambitious that she'd gently caress over the party's chances and also millions upon millions of people's safety and wellbeing just to get that sweet, sweet oval office she "deserves"? This is why Trump won
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 13:47 |
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Sneakster posted:
Do you know of any credible stats on the rates of violence (especially domestic) by transwomen, and how that compares with straight cismen and lesbian ciswomen?
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# ? Sep 4, 2017 13:56 |
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Sneakster posted:Sex and gender aren't the same thing. People born with female biology have a right to association, which includes the right to exclude people born with male biology. They have the right to voluntary association of course, but you have no right to tell gay people they have no right to fraternize among themselves, even if just the right kind of penis would cure their trans phobia. Dude, you should probably get help for your constant fantasizing about rape and your insistence that you are inherently, uncontrollably violent. The first step is admitting you have a problem. Anyways, trans women aren't "biologically male" unless we believe in a Cartesian dualism which makes "biologically male" irrelevant.
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