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Runefaust posted:This. The third party votes didn't really make much of a difference to Clintons loss.
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Runefaust posted:This. quote:It's idealistic and not realistic, and unfortunately due to mouth breathing idealism we are forced to deal with the VERY realistic 4 years of a conservative, anti-progressive White House. Thank god you were able to hold on to your morals as we nominate a Supreme Court justice who will determine policy for a century! quote:But thank god you voted for that third party candidate we'll remember years from now, or thank god you didn't vote because the system was rigged and Hilary was going to win regardless! twodot fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 18:36
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Who What Now posted:If you think that she was legitimately worse than Trump then you are literally too stupid to be capable of understanding any argument explaining why you're objectively wrong. If you don't think that and still didn't vote for her over Trump then the same applies. "Everybody that doesn't share my view and won't cave to my way is stupid. Why won't everyone just give me what I want?"
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Nov 9, 2016 18:41
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The_Rob posted:The third party votes didn't really make much of a difference to Clintons loss. A combination of third party votes, people with irrational conspiracy theories (it's RIGGED!!), people throwing votes away voting for Harambe, people who helped Hilary get the nom (even though she paced worse than Sanders vs Trump)... It was idealism - stupid loving idealism - that lost this race. The idea of the "first woman president" lead stupid liberals to overlook Hilary's streak and actually make them believe she could win (I voted Bernie for the nom, and I posted on Facebook that when Hilary loses to Trump, ultimately the dems who thought Hilary was a THE candidate are to blame. That was in June, and I restated that post on Facebook last night because I loving called it). The idea that you should vote your conscience and that your vote means something even if you vote third party is to blame. There are a shitton of reason why Hilary failed miserably, and while it's ultimately Hilary's and her supporters fault, the whole election came down to those who voted liberal vs those who voted for anyone else or didn't vote at all. If you didn't vote the primary liberal choice, you voted against being progressive. It's as simple as that. Try arguing your way around it, but given this outcome - that's exactly what happened. No amount of trying to rationalize or justifying to yourself will change that fact. Ultimately, American progressive movements lost today, and did you try to protect those movements? Head over to E/N - read through the trans and faggoon threads - get a dose of the fear. Try to justify your lovely idealism again.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:49
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J Corp posted:"Everybody that doesn't share my view and won't cave to my way is stupid. Why won't everyone just give me what I want?" You misunderstand, I don't want them to work with me. I want them to die off. Sooner rather than later, preferably.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:50
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twodot posted:Clinton did win my state regardless though? By like 20 points. Lucky you live in a state with more intelligent and educated people than not. Too bad not every state has the same amount of those people,. If you're argument is "I can vote whatever because my state went this other way anyways!" - you literally miss the entire loving point and ther a no arguing with idiocy.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:53
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Runefaust posted:Lucky you live in a state with more intelligent and educated people than not. Too bad not every state has the same amount of those people,. twodot fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 18:56
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Chard posted:Thanks for helping gently caress over millions of people, you self-congratulating toad. No problem bae. When you guys get tired of losing feel free to incorporate some of my views into your party platform and then we can talk. Leverage is a great thing. 
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Nov 9, 2016 19:00
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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DeusExMachinima posted:No problem bae. When you guys get tired of losing feel free to incorporate some of my views into your party platform and then we can talk. Leverage is a great thing. Your views are repugnant and I'd rather lose than ally myself with you.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:01
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Who What Now posted:Your views are repugnant and I'd rather lose than ally myself with you. *checks election results* Wish granted!
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Nov 9, 2016 19:01
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big mean giraffe posted:Do you loving idiots not realize that this poo poo is what lost you the vote in the first place, and continuing to act like whiny babies will only push people further away? I mean who loving cares, the loss is a fact now. It's a done deal. Why pretend now that people that voted for Trump aren't sub-human? They can't double vote for him.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:07
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Mulva posted:I mean who loving cares, the loss is a fact now. It's a done deal. Why pretend now that people that voted for Trump aren't sub-human? They can't double vote for him.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:09
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big mean giraffe posted:Do you loving idiots not realize that this poo poo is what lost you the vote in the first place, and continuing to act like whiny babies will only push people further away? They don't and never will lmao. Democrats are retarded.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:10
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DeusExMachinima posted:No problem bae. When you guys get tired of losing feel free to incorporate some of my views into your party platform and then we can talk. Leverage is a great thing. I'm sure Trump and eight years of Republican domination will do a lot for your views. No doubt the Dems will be in a really good place to implement your leftist views after the Trump Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade, kills the Voting Rights Act the rest of the way dead, lifts campaign finance restrictions altogether, and affirms that deporting entire minority groups en masse is in fact constitutional. <--- from the look of things, though, the Bernie voters don't seem to be all that concerned with their economic status. surprised you could afford to buy all those titles when your college tuition is gonna double over the next four years Main Paineframe fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 19:13
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twodot posted:Given that future elections will continue to exist, it seems reasonable to try to learn from past mistakes (presuming big mean giraffe is actually describing a mistake Democrats made). Why should we appeal to people who openly and gladly support white supremacy? What, should the Democratic Party start openly calling for the heads of everyone who dares to be darker-skinned than our new president in order to secure that coveted vote?
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Nov 9, 2016 19:14
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Mods please change the title of the thread to "Come make fun of third-party voters itt"
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Nov 9, 2016 19:15
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Runefaust posted:It was idealism - stupid loving idealism - that lost this race. lol no it was the DNC being blind to reality and putting up as establishment a candidate they could during an election where it had no chance of winning
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Nov 9, 2016 19:16
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Who What Now posted:Why should we appeal to people who openly and gladly support white supremacy? The same reason you openly and gladly support someone who's willing to bomb children overseas
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Nov 9, 2016 19:21
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Who What Now posted:Why should we appeal to people who openly and gladly support white supremacy? What, should the Democratic Party start openly calling for the heads of everyone who dares to be darker-skinned than our new president in order to secure that coveted vote?
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Nov 9, 2016 19:20
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NewForumSoftware posted:The same reason you openly and gladly support someone who's willing to bomb children overseas Both of them supported it, you imbecile.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:21
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Who What Now posted:Both of them supported it, you imbecile. And? Do you not understand compromise? The DNC lost this election, Trump didn't win it.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:23
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Who What Now posted:Both of them supported it, you imbecile. Johnson and Stein don't! Oh but that opinion is despicable and you'd rather lose than ally yourself with that.  Main Paineframe posted:I'm sure Trump and eight years of Republican domination will do a lot for your views. No doubt the Dems will be in a really good place to implement your leftist views after the Trump Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade, kills the Voting Rights Act the rest of the way dead, lifts campaign finance restrictions altogether, and affirms that deporting entire minority groups en masse is in fact constitutional. One flaw in your argument: I'm not a leftist by any measure. Not that Trump will be good for libertarianism either.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:22
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DeusExMachinima posted:Johnson and Stein don't! Oh but that opinion is despicable and you'd rather lose than ally yourself with that. What position do you think the DNC could even adopt from the liberatians a group that has almost no concrete policies beyond "free market wooooo"
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Nov 9, 2016 19:26
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socialsecurity posted:What position do you think the DNC could even adopt from the liberatians a group that has almost no concrete policies beyond "free market wooooo"
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Nov 9, 2016 19:27
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NewForumSoftware posted:And? Do you not understand compromise? Sorry, but I'm not willing to compromise and give away the civil rights of minorities like you are. DeusExMachinima posted:Johnson and Stein don't! Oh but that opinion is despicable and you'd rather lose than ally yourself with that. Libertarians is packed to the brim with white supremacists as well and Stein is the political equivalent of the kid who eats paste.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:28
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Who What Now posted:Sorry, but I'm not willing to compromise and give away the civil rights of minorities like you are. Yes because that was the only thing you could possibly have done to field a stronger candidate. It's funny how much this mirrors "I'm not willing to vote for someone who bomb's children". Like I had the ability to take that stand because I live in a state that isn't rear end backwards, I'm not sure the DNC can afford to take that attitude given the events of last night. "No war but race war" lost last night, hang up your keyboards kids.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:30
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socialsecurity posted:What position do you think the DNC could even adopt from the liberatians a group that has almost no concrete policies beyond "free market wooooo" Drugs, not droning people, low taxes, abolishing the no-fly list instead of trying to use it for more unconstitutional poo poo, being (more) anti-death penalty. For starters. Who What Now posted:Libertarians is packed to the brim with white supremacists as well and Stein is the political equivalent of the kid who eats paste. Whereas the Dems are packed to the brim with people who seriously thought they were going to win the election.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:34
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Dems still did better than Libertarians ever will, so I'm at least comforted by the fact you are and always will be politically impotent.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:37
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Who What Now posted:Libertarians is packed to the brim with white supremacists as well and Stein is the political equivalent of the kid who eats paste. That's why Libertarians would be Conservative voters and Green would be Democrats. Without the 3rd party option and without Gary Johnson and Jill lets see how Hillary does: Wins: Nothing Losses: NH, Nevada, and Colorado Looks like Gary Johnson is actually the reason HRC didn't lose harder?????
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Nov 9, 2016 19:36
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Who What Now posted:Dems still did better than Libertarians ever will, so I'm at least comforted by the fact you are and always will be politically impotent. Ah yes, a Trump SCOTUS. Completely unfriendly to libertarian business policies. I'll also survive the next 4-8 years better than tons of Dem voters so I hope the unwillingness to compromise that you criticize me for is worth that to you.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:39
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DeusExMachinima posted:Ah yes, a Trump SCOTUS. Completely unfriendly to libertarian business policies. You say that as if it's not something you want to happen anyway.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:41
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look at all the people who wasted their votes on hillary when they could have voted 3rd party instead.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:42
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DeusExMachinima posted:Ah yes, a Trump SCOTUS. Completely unfriendly to libertarian business policies. For a time. Then watch what happens when you get sick. Or lose your job. Or watch a friend or a co-worker get deported on a technicality.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:43
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Who What Now posted:You say that as if it's not something you want to happen anyway. lol ok, I promise to compromise my values in the future if strangers on the internet promise to stop being so salty and lashing out blindly
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Nov 9, 2016 19:44
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SSNeoman posted:For a time. Then watch what happens when you get sick. Or lose your job. Or watch a friend or a co-worker get deported on a technicality. imagine you voted for Obama and had this happen in the past 8 years man it must really suck to be a Democrat
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Nov 9, 2016 19:44
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NewForumSoftware posted:imagine you voted for Obama and had this happen in the past 8 years Not me personally but a friend of mine needs obamacare you dumbfuck. He has no way to pay for medicine without it thanks to his condition. My mom might need treatment soon and I have no idea what to do. Maybe take her to Canada? IDK. You're only blase until this poo poo skewers you personally. NewForumSoftware posted:man it must really suck to be a Democrat I'm at least not sucking Trump's sour grapes like third-party voters are.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:47
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SSNeoman posted:Not me personally but a friend of mine needs obamacare you dumbfuck. He has no way to pay for medicine without it thanks to his condition. My mom might need treatment soon and I have no idea what to do. Maybe take her to Canada? IDK. Tell that to my two brothers who can't afford insurance because of how hosed up Obamacare was in the first place. Or maybe some of the immigrants he sent back during his ramping up of deportation. quote:I'm at least not sucking Trump's sour grapes like third-party voters are. Trust me I think most leftists who voted third party were confident the country was going to go to hell regardless of which evil got elected. Sorry your lizard didn't get to oversee the collapse of global civilization.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:51
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Hasn't Obama deported more people than any other president in history?
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Nov 9, 2016 19:57
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:look at all the people who wasted their votes on hillary when they could have voted 3rd party instead. [nods]
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:look at all the people who wasted their votes on hillary when they could have voted 3rd party instead.
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