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Hey as long as we don't ever go back to this I can put up with a lot 
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The Colonel posted:aerith is a different thing that's just a matter of romanization. they didn't change her name at all it's just how they decided it's pronounced in native english, you wouldn't pronounce it that way in japanese because the "th" sound is not one you would commonly make It's also, IIRC, not actually something that was 100% intentional. It's the result of a bug in the game's naming screen. If you somehow skip that it actually defaults to Aerith, not Aeris, even in the English version. That's part of the reason it got so much focus compared to other localization name changes, it's one that genuinely appeared to be an error.
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anyway yeah nintendo treehouse does localize all these games like they're pokemon or zelda. and that's kind of the problem. a lot of their major dysfunction comes from genuinely not having any idea what to do when they're given something like fire emblem. they're trained to translate games with simplistic kid-friendly writing, not stuff that's willing to get mildly weird
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Picked up Hundred Heroes where I left off, and even though I can't understand Japanese hearing Garoo's voice tone change when he sees his daughter is very sweet. I was so used to hearing him sound all stoic, the shift to soft and light caught me off guard.
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The Colonel posted:anyway yeah nintendo treehouse does localize all these games like they're pokemon or zelda. and that's kind of the problem. a lot of their major dysfunction comes from genuinely not having any idea what to do when they're given something like fire emblem. they're trained to translate games with simplistic kid-friendly writing, not stuff that's willing to get mildly weird its also why a lot of stuff, even stuff aimed at teens, gets this weirdly kidified tone. fe three houses didnt have that problem much mostly but fates and engage got it baaaad.
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May 13, 2024 17:04
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idk how you make fe engages writing feel more juvenile when its already written like early one piece filler but they managed it
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May 13, 2024 17:05
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Rinkles posted:
The challenges have been alright so far, but I realized this requires a second tier currency, which will probably make it too much of a grind
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May 13, 2024 17:12
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Redezga posted:Picked up Hundred Heroes where I left off, and even though I can't understand Japanese hearing Garoo's voice tone change when he sees his daughter is very sweet. I was so used to hearing him sound all stoic, the shift to soft and light caught me off guard. It's funny that in english he's Australian but his daughter doesn't seem to be
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May 13, 2024 17:27
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Endorph posted:well the dq translation team is, very bad i do like their puns, they do a good job with that i still get a chuckle out of jack of all trades abbey turning into master of nuun
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May 13, 2024 17:41
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I enjoy the English dialogue in the Dragon Quest games I've played but since I don't know Japanese I'm blissfully ignorant of any ways in which the translation fucks things up
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May 13, 2024 17:43
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Harrow posted:
More puns. Everyone from Heliodor has a mineral based name. Jade, Carnelian, Flint, Chalky, Amber, Gemma, Sandy. Law to Rab is a bit of a headscratcher though. I like the DQ translation/localisations a lot overall.
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May 13, 2024 17:45
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Harrow posted:I enjoy the English dialogue in the Dragon Quest games I've played but since I don't know Japanese I'm blissfully ignorant of any ways in which the translation fucks things up Half the bad reviews for Eiyunden are people kicking off about the translation and I really want to know if it's genuinely bad or they just cut out weird poo poo It's a shame it's become so poisoned because I automatically assume the latter
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May 13, 2024 17:46
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Taear posted:Half the bad reviews for Eiyunden are people kicking off about the translation and I really want to know if it's genuinely bad or they just cut out weird poo poo It's the latter (or rather complaints about it being 'woke.') Like, unironically and 100%, the spark point for it was someone going "They changed so much in the translation (because I used an AI translator to translate the text onscreen and it didn't say the same thing.)" However it's largely an expansion of the "they made the game WOKE" complaints that were coming out pre-release because it had a black woman in a prominent role in it.
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A Sometimes Food posted:More puns. Everyone from Heliodor has a mineral based name. Jade, Carnelian, Flint, Chalky, Amber, Gemma, Sandy. Holy poo poo how did I never catch that connection, I'm such a dingus lmao
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A Sometimes Food posted:More puns. Everyone from Heliodor has a mineral based name. Jade, Carnelian, Flint, Chalky, Amber, Gemma, Sandy. His Japanese name is actually supposed to be "Ro" or "Rou" because he's a descendet of Roche. In English they used Erdwin and went for "Rab" (short for "Robert") instead. I'm pretty sure the intent was to come up with a name that was close to "Ro(bert)" at some point and when they went Scottish with him they changed Rob to Rab. They translated Roche's name as Erdwin instead which kind of makes thing a bit weird but that is because Roche starts with the same beginning as Roto/Loto, the name which was localized as Erdrick and they priorized keeping that over making it mesh with Rab's name. (They could have gone for like Ed or something but it doesn't necessarily fit right.) ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:09 on May 13, 2024 |
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May 13, 2024 18:03
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Taear posted:Half the bad reviews for Eiyunden are people kicking off about the translation and I really want to know if it's genuinely bad or they just cut out weird poo poo There are some actual problems in the localisation like some ability/item descriptions are wrong but thats not what people are mad about. The game has other issues that have been discussed in the thread if you want a more reasonable idea cause yeah the general reviews are tainted by idiots making up things to be mad about.
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May 13, 2024 18:03
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ImpAtom posted:It's the latter (or rather complaints about it being 'woke.') Complaining about "wokealization" is just the latest fad. I'm in a translator discord and it seems like there's a new controversy every other day, only a few of which manage to filter out into the public consciousness. For every Eiyuden, there's like five more obscure games that someone made the same complaint about.
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and they buy and play them anyway
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A Sometimes Food posted:There are some actual problems in the localisation like some ability/item descriptions are wrong but thats not what people are mad about. No I've played and finished the game, I know the other issues - it's just I have no way to know if the translation issue is "rargh there's a black person" or "this fundamentally changes a character" that's all Also, there's a thread? Or do you mean this thread
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Buck Wildman posted:and they buy and play them anyway To be honest a lot of them probably don't or genuinely don't even know what the game is besides A New Target For THE WOKE ANGER.
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Taear posted:No I've played and finished the game, I know the other issues - it's just I have no way to know if the translation issue is "rargh there's a black person" or "this fundamentally changes a character" that's all the translation issue is that a character gets called a chud at one point
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which, admittedly, is kind of eye rolling for the context but lol at the reaction it caused
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ImpAtom posted:To be honest a lot of them probably don't or genuinely don't even know what the game is besides A New Target For THE WOKE ANGER. Yes, these things tend to get started by people who don't even play the video games.
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May 13, 2024 18:19
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Endorph posted:it is in fact possible for white people to say 'hikari.' Okay yeah fine. I mean, most people would pronounce the "ri" wrong (since the Japanese "r"-ish sound is a little weird), but in a way that wouldn't be jarring at all. There'd basically be a bunch of stuff similar to Ryuji being pronounced "ri-u-ji" in P5, but that's not really a problem in that game (and it's something 99% of players wouldn't even notice). I'm trying to throw the localization/dub people a bone here, even though I dislike it personally. Neddy Seagoon posted:By that logic you should be expecting the player to just play in Japanese though, because localization is going to "meddle" just through adaptation from one language to another. I do wish they'd at least also change the text if you use the Japanese voices, though, since it's jarring to constantly hear one name and see a completely different one. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 18:24 on May 13, 2024 |
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May 13, 2024 18:20
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The Hades 'controversy' (about how they made Aphrodite look 'like a man' to force woke trans into videogames) all is whining about her Hades 1 art, while claiming it's about Hades 2 so it's like. Extremely obvious none of these idiots even know what the game is.
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May 13, 2024 18:21
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Are they even talking about Eiyuden anymore, I thought they had all moved on to whining about Hades 2
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Ibram Gaunt posted:The Hades 'controversy' (about how they made Aphrodite look 'like a man' to force woke trans into videogames) all is whining about her Hades 1 art, while claiming it's about Hades 2 so it's like. Extremely obvious none of these idiots even know what the game is. ... the literally naked super-curvy woman whose face is literally designed to look like statues of Aphrodite? I am not sure these people know what a woman is besides something to be angry about.
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May 13, 2024 18:23
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aphrodite has perfect patrician features and frankly I envy her for it
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May 13, 2024 18:23
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ImpAtom posted:... the literally naked super-curvy woman whose face is literally designed to look like statues of Aphrodite? Yes, she has a "man face" according to their ringleader.
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If they did a little more research they could instead complain about Chaos who is very explicitly nonbinary.
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May 13, 2024 18:25
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Incel whiners are the aboslute worst.
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May 13, 2024 18:27
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was very funny seeing someone compare it with the take on aphrodite from shuumatsu no valkyrie... the netflix anime. the. the really bad shuumatsu no valkyrie netflix anime. the shuumatsu no valkyrie netflix anime that got widespread criticism because it's terribly animated and not as well drawn or fun to look at as the manga. the anime that specifically makes all of the women less funny and expressive for no reason
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anyway square enix is announcing a shift to focusing on multiplatform releases so i guess they either decided sony wasn't paying them enough or sony decided to pay them less and they decided it's not worth keeping it up anymore. either way... gamer win!
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ah yes that anime
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ImpAtom posted:... the literally naked super-curvy woman whose face is literally designed to look like statues of Aphrodite? I stumbled across a Youtube video from this bizarre "sub-culture" a couple weeks ago, and from what I can tell these people don't seem to understand that "make-up" or "flattering photos" are a thing. The video in question was trying to make the point that "men in video games realistically look like their actors (in situations where they're based off someone, like Idris Elba in Cyberpunk), while women are made uglier than their real-life appearance." It then proceeded to compare the game men with clips from videos of their real-life actors (to show how they look the same), while comparing the game women with modeling portrait photos of their actors (to supposedly prove that they were made "more ugly").
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May 13, 2024 18:30
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I have a painting in my house that gets uglier while my warcraft man stays beautiful forever
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Same, but instead of a painting it's a mirror
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May 13, 2024 18:33
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i think the people should stop coopting the sexy video game women. if they really cared they have a legacy of more than 30 years of video games about sexy women. rather than flailing in anger at the trends of the present, one should study up on history. you cannot understand where we are now if you don't know the roots of ikki tousen or oneechanbara
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Yes, she has a "man face" according to their ringleader. jesus, these people are so unserious
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the video game scholar who specializes specifically in the riho futaba saga of the simple 2000 series
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