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Communist Zombie posted:Well theres also Wikia being covered in a ton of ads, some of which are malicious. And now no longer allowing you to proceed if you have some forms of ad/script blocking. Which is why I've stopped reading wikias. 
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fishmech posted:Yeah if you're very small time then sure it's affordable - but if you're that small time for the price to stay negligible then you're also small time enough that why did you even leave YouTube in the first place? Dang you're dense. What's the point of youtube if it's impossible to monetize for small timers, and pointless for big time players who can set up their own websites easily and don't want to deal with youtube's increasingly larger share of revenue and growing hassles? Yes, it's good for old lady knitting with her cat videos, great, it's bollocks for anybody who wants to make money.
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ryonguy posted:Dang you're dense. What's the point of youtube if it's impossible to monetize for small timers, and pointless for big time players who can set up their own websites easily and don't want to deal with youtube's increasingly larger share of revenue and growing hassles? Yes, it's good for old lady knitting with her cat videos, great, it's bollocks for anybody who wants to make money. Lol dude your suggestion for people having trouble making money is "add a whole bunch of extra upfront and ongoing costs to yourself and also make it harder to get any money at all". Do you really not see how thats the opposite of solving the problem?
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Jan 19, 2018 16:38
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ryonguy posted:pointless for big time players who can set up their own websites easily and don't want to deal with youtube's increasingly larger share of revenue and growing hassles? Is this actually happening? Like is there a real example of a big time player who has done this?
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Jan 19, 2018 16:45
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Pretty much all of the "big time players" that I've known started outside YouTube but migrated to YouTube since hosting their own videos was futile.
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Jan 19, 2018 16:54
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Detective No. 27 posted:Pretty much all of the "big time players" that I've known started outside YouTube but migrated to YouTube since hosting their own videos was futile. There's lot of people who have tried going otuside but there's two key disadvantages with being outside of Youtube. 1: Overhead What Youtube offers (and what makes competing with it currently impossible) is limitless free hosting to almost anyone. It doesn't loving matter how garbage or unpopular your content is, Youtube will accept almost anything. Furthermore, video-streaming is very data-intensive and that creates huge disadvantages to doing it in a de-centralized fashion on your own. Usage can fluctuate wildly and it's very much easy to become a victim of your own success as too many users makes whatever meager hosting solution you payed for slow to a crawl. 2: Positive Network Externalities People on Youtube find your content while not actually looking for it. In-between searching, autoplay and subscriptions users are just continuously fed towards your content if the algorithm fancies it with no effort needed to market it on your own. If you use your own solution then growing your audience and even notifying fans of new content becomes significant work in itself and there's no guarantee the solutions you fashion will actually be better. Basically, what Youtube offers is taking a lot of headaches off your shoulders.
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Jan 19, 2018 17:12
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Absurd Alhazred posted:And now no longer allowing you to proceed if you have some forms of ad/script blocking. Which is why I've stopped reading wikias. You can block the blockers. And the blockers of blockers for blockers.
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Jan 19, 2018 17:23
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Randler posted:You can block the blockers. And the blockers of blockers for blockers. There's almost something spiritual about the ad-block-blocker being blocked by the ad-blocker.
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Jan 19, 2018 17:27
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Randler posted:You can block the blockers. And the blockers of blockers for blockers. https://reek.github.io/anti-adblock-killer/ The arms race has begun.
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Whoops . Wrong thread
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Jan 19, 2018 17:46
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Dan Olson has some good videos on the inevitable conflicts between content creators and hosting sites, in particular video platforms due to the exorbitant costs involved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3snVCRo_bI
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Jan 19, 2018 17:56
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Adblock everything.aware of dog posted:I think it's that they don't allow you to have in-video links to Patreon pages You needed to be in their partner program to have Patreon links (or external links in general) and have the videos monetized. The partner program is the thing they just kicked a bunch of people out of, which will kill their Patreon links. https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/09/29/youtube-patreon-creators/ Self-hosting your own stuff is fine but you will get way more views from youtube from people randomly stumbling across your stuff. Whether those are meaningful views vs. your already existing audience depends on what you are making. Best bet is to host on youtube but embed on your own site and keep backups of everything for when you get random content strikes because their algorithms are trash.
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Jan 19, 2018 19:49
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Jose Valasquez posted:Is this actually happening? Like is there a real example of a big time player who has done this? I've known a few who've tried to do it, but each one that I went to check up on turns out to have gone back to Youtube + usually some manner of Patreon or own-solution subscriber thing for extra content. So much for those examples then!
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Jan 19, 2018 23:45
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fishmech posted:I've known a few who've tried to do it, but each one that I went to check up on turns out to have gone back to Youtube + usually some manner of Patreon or own-solution subscriber thing for extra content. So much for those examples then! It's almost like it's going to take time and not be an immediate thing that has already happened based on previous situations. Like, predictions based on the current behavior of YouTube towards its users that will result in a shift away from a centralized hub for content distribution given the issues of a website that only caters to a specific section of their userbase. Or you can just fart out "lol hasn't happened yet so it never will" a couple more times. You're already pretending quote:some manner of Patreon or own-solution subscriber thing
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Jan 20, 2018 04:04
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ryonguy posted:It's almost like it's going to take time and not be an immediate thing that has already happened based on previous situations. Like, predictions based on the current behavior of YouTube towards its users that will result in a shift away from a centralized hub for content distribution given the issues of a website that only caters to a specific section of their userbase. It's not "it takes time" it's "it doesn't work". Costs are way higher, payment methods are usually way lower. It just doesn't work. Nothing will work until there's someone else who will give you all that sweet free bandwidth and discoverability. Your only other option really tends to be to get signed with a traditional media company - and even then they're going to want you to put a big chunk of your poo poo on YouTube where people can see it. The only thing that can replace YouTube is another company willing to spend the billions to set up a similar free hosting service. But I guess all the people who've tried otherwise should have just sat around waiting 10 years making negative money showing their videos in your opinion?
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Jan 20, 2018 04:26
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Have you streamed videos on Twitter? They never stream properly and it’s a total pain in the rear end. Lol at the dude who thinks it’s remotely easy or affordable to up and do your own video streaming site.
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Jan 20, 2018 06:07
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Yeah, having an infrastructure that allows a non technical creator to upload a wide variety of video formats, all of which are reliably processed, resized, and served around the globe at a resolution of the viewer’s choosing is no small feat. The fact that this infrastructure exists is part of the reason video as a medium has grown to what it has. If YouTube ever folded, it would be quickly replaced by Vimeo or someone like it to meet that infrastructure need, because even a well organised video content team wouldn’t be keen on adopting the technical challenge of actually serving the video they create.
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Jan 20, 2018 08:44
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Randler posted:You can block the blockers. And the blockers of blockers for blockers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw3G80bplTg
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Jan 20, 2018 10:50
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The last two weeks of FB statements re publishers have really been inspiring. They have absolutely no loving plan and seem to make up poo poo as they go whilst shaking their blackbox newsfeed algorithm like a magic 8ball. I got access to a pool of global and regional sites and traffic & engagement is suddenly all over the place. In the last 5 days my personal newsfeed bounced in a triangle between no sites on one day to only lovely meme sites and then back to how it was late 2017. If anyone wants to go into media or advertising tell them to just cut out the middle man and shove some dildos up your rear end on Snapchat and Chaturbate.
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Maluco Marinero posted:If YouTube ever folded, it would be quickly replaced by Vimeo or someone like it to meet that infrastructure need, because even a well organised video content team wouldn’t be keen on adopting the technical challenge of actually serving the video they create. Are Vimeo and other non-YouTube video hosts taking advantage of this snafu on YouTube’s part? Like why doesn’t PornHub create a non-porn subsidiary (of their nice generically named parent company) to be the next YouTube for small time content creators? They already have tons of infrastructure that could be used. They’d probably pull less “anything remotely LGBTQ gets instantly demonetized” bullshit, too, which would be an additional draw for many of the content creators.
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Jan 21, 2018 09:45
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There's no real point setting up a platform for small time content creators that have demonstrated they don't generate enough ad dollars to bother about.
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Though as Patreon learned the hard way, if you cut the legs off small-time creators, the big fishes won't stick around for long either if they remember when they were little fish.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Though as Patreon learned the hard way, if you cut the legs off small-time creators, the big fishes won't stick around for long either if they remember when they were little fish. YouTube is big enough not to give a poo poo. They're all about the big deals lately.
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Jan 21, 2018 11:43
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Good thing tastes don't change and people are ageless and immutable and mature content providers appear from nowhere. Holy poo poo business people are stupid.
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Jan 21, 2018 14:59
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The problem is that nobody (not even Google) has a working system to ensure brand safety of User generated video content that doesn't involve hiring a shitload of human eyeballs. For every good and well meaning small content creator you have multitude of bad actors.
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Arglebargle III posted:Holy poo poo business people are stupid. What is your business plan for making a profitable highly available video sharing platform that is free for everyone to use and isn't inundated with spam? I'm not crazy about some of YouTube's decisions but it's not like there is some easy answer that is going to make everyone happy
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Jan 21, 2018 16:32
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eschaton posted:Are Vimeo and other non-YouTube video hosts taking advantage of this snafu on YouTube’s part? What snafu are you talking about? Not paying the people they already barely pay at all? Vimeo and others aren't really interested in paying those either. Where would PornHub's subsidiary get the advertisers to run on the videos? Or where else would the money come from? That's after all what such a project is meant to do, pay the people who aren't getting paid now. Inescapable Duck posted:Though as Patreon learned the hard way, if you cut the legs off small-time creators, the big fishes won't stick around for long either if they remember when they were little fish. The thing is Patreon's changes directly hurt almost every Patreon creator regardless of if they were making $10 a month or $10,000 a month. They claimed it was in the name of getting more things aligned for big creators but it was just a gently caress you to pretty much all donators and creators. Because their decision was to make it ruinous to be a small time donator in a system where nearly everyone was one.
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eschaton posted:Like why doesn’t PornHub create a non-porn subsidiary (of their nice generically named parent company) to be the next YouTube for small time content creators? They already have tons of infrastructure that could be used. They’d probably pull less “anything remotely LGBTQ gets instantly demonetized” bullshit, too, which would be an additional draw for many of the content creators. why would pornhub chase after unprofitable small fish when they're busy in the lucrative porn market
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boner confessor posted:why would pornhub chase after unprofitable small fish when they're busy in the lucrative porn market On the other hand, imagine if they pressured small fish to be more nsfw. "Your lack of swearing and sexual innuendo is scaring away our advertisers!"
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Absurd Alhazred posted:On the other hand, imagine if they pressured small fish to be more nsfw. "Your lack of swearing and sexual innuendo is scaring away our advertisers!" This would own very hard.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Half the strength of... most internet hosting services in general, really, is that you never know which small fish are going to become big fish. Look at Kickstarter. (albeit not necessarily the best example in some ways) You don't know what trends and ideas are going to take off and become incredibly popular, so you have every reason to cast a wide net. Shut out the beginners and you're bleeding yourself dry.
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Jose Valasquez posted:What is your business plan for making a profitable highly available video sharing platform that is free for everyone to use and isn't inundated with spam? Big YouTube content providers didn't just pop into existence. Unless you're a corporate channel you started small. Shutting out the little guy ensures that in 10 years you'll have half the content.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Half the strength of... most internet hosting services in general, really, is that you never know which small fish are going to become big fish. Look at Kickstarter. (albeit not necessarily the best example in some ways) You don't know what trends and ideas are going to take off and become incredibly popular, so you have every reason to cast a wide net. Shut out the beginners and you're bleeding yourself dry. Arglebargle III posted:Big YouTube content providers didn't just pop into existence. Unless you're a corporate channel you started small. Shutting out the little guy ensures that in 10 years you'll have half the content. Beginner YouTube people aren't being shut out though. They're just not picking up the maybe $60, more likely $20 or less, across a year in advertising that they might have gotten if they were real lucky with their level of viewership.
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They're not shutting out the little guy - people can still host their videos. They just can't make money from ads until they hit a threshold. Channels that don't meet the threshold only make trivial amounts of money now.
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Arglebargle III posted:Big YouTube content providers didn't just pop into existence. Unless you're a corporate channel you started small. Shutting out the little guy ensures that in 10 years you'll have half the content. Until 2012 the little guys couldn't do advertising anyway and YouTube was still successful. I think the pittance of money the little guys were making before isn't going to make that big of a difference
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the panacea posted:The problem is that nobody (not even Google) has a working system to ensure brand safety of User generated video content that doesn't involve hiring a shitload of human eyeballs. Although one thing that does strike me as odd about Youtube is them going, "your content is 'inappropriate' so no more ads" when, like, shouldn't there be various categories or degrees of appropriateness or something? Because clearly different companies are going to have different types of videos they feel comfortable having their ads associated with. Maybe I missed something in the reporting but the system sounded kind of binary.
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eschaton posted:Are Vimeo and other non-YouTube video hosts taking advantage of this snafu on YouTube’s part? Are you asking why Pornhub would not relinquish their quite profitable media empire to get in on the most unprofitable part of Youtube's already unprofitable monopoly? Gee, I have no idea.  Cicero posted:Although one thing that does strike me as odd about Youtube is them going, "your content is 'inappropriate' so no more ads" when, like, shouldn't there be various categories or degrees of appropriateness or something? Because clearly different companies are going to have different types of videos they feel comfortable having their ads associated with. Maybe I missed something in the reporting but the system sounded kind of binary. Since reports are also largely handled by the algorithm and users there's not really any room for that kind of nuance. Also, quantifying appropriateness is really difficult and to large degrees arbitrary, it wouldn't really be any better than what we already have. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Jose Valasquez posted:Until 2012 the little guys couldn't do advertising anyway and YouTube was still successful. I think the pittance of money the little guys were making before isn't going to make that big of a difference Well and even after 2012, a lot of small time people were still signing onto the "network" things which would take their own cuts on top and all that.
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a foolish pianist posted:There's no way people are going back to self-hosting. Large services like youtube have distributed stores, guaranteed uptimes, fast loading, good backups, that sort of thing. You can't just host a video on some random hosting service and get anything like what youtube provides, and that's not even mentioning the effort of getting people to come to your specific website instead of the huge place that aggregates all the videos. I don't know, if amazon comes out with an AWS roll-your-own-media-site service I could see it happening, especially if they find out a way to make it easy to monetize (either through them directly or through some third party partners). They seem to be really into building weird niche products that only serve developers or people doing one-specific-thing on the internet. IMO the only reason I see to build on youtube anymore is if you're already big on youtube or if your primary hook is on another platform and you just need VOD storage (i.e. twitch, patreon, you are roosterteeth, etc).
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Tars Tarkas posted:Self-hosting your own stuff is fine but you will get way more views from youtube from people randomly stumbling across your stuff. I would be really curious to see someone actively explore this. IMO the only things I 'randomly' come across on youtube anymore are links from other sites, things in my subscribed feed that are from people I already follow, related videos from things I'm already watching (which is usually a Star Wars video that gets me interested in another Star Wars video and is pretty niche), and very VERY rarely the 'trending' tab which 99% of the time is a hot steaming dumpster fire that I regret clicking over to.
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