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WizardOfWhispers posted:Yeah, there's a reason that dodge tanks tend to be popular in Xenoblade. Using Morag or Katana Blades was usually more effective for tanking than relying on Tora or the Shield Hammer Blades. another factor in this is that getting hit lowers your aggro. dodging an attack doesnt.
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Endorph posted:another factor in this is that getting hit lowers your aggro. dodging an attack doesnt. I mean I guess I can see how missing your opponent would only piss you off more, but that's dumb.
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Endorph posted:another factor in this is that getting hit lowers your aggro. dodging an attack doesnt. 
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xenoblade 2 is like a dog and just sort of does things arbitrarily
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Is 3 more intuitive about these things?
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Rinkles posted:Is 3 more intuitive about these things? Yes, 3 is a lot clearer on its mechanics for the most part. The biggest flaw it has is similar to Xenoblade 1 in that Chain Attacks are so absurdly powerful they become the only thing worth doing when you have one available.
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May 18, 2024 02:08
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3 adds visual noise and starts to feel a bit more like pikmin/overlord/an rts game as you lead your death ball around but its more obvious and clear how things work. While it introduces its own cruft, it does remove some of the worst systems or streamline them from XB2. But chain attacks suck and kind of drag down the game for me.
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To be fair you absolutely don't need to chain attack most of the time and the game can be more fun if you don't, but "don't use the super strong mechanic" is always going to be a big ask.
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it's hard to deprive oneself of "I USED MY THINKIN MUSCLES FOR THIS ONE" and "YIPEE"
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yeah just don't use chain attacks if you don't want
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Endorph posted:another factor in this is that getting hit lowers your aggro. dodging an attack doesnt. ...huh I can sort of see how someone would arrive at that as a game mechanic (a way to prevent an enemy from just focusing down a squishy party member) but I feel like that should turn off when you're actively using aggro-increasing abilities lol
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Meowywitch posted:yeah just don't use chain attacks if you don't want The issue for me was not "chain attacks are stupid overpowered" it was "chain attacks are tediously slow and not much faster than regular combat, but are 100% safe". This in turn just sort of highlights how little there is to do in a given fight in XB3 where by the end I just sort of felt like I was waiting out an idle clicker game.
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chain attacks are largely a response to complaints about xb2's combos being too overcomplicated - combos still exist in xb3 but are less crucial, and with seven party members will activate on their own without much input from you - and a lot of their damage has been moved to chain attacks
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Oh my god, I just learned about DoTs in XB2 which I’ve been completely oblivious to till this point
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Heropon has dots in 1, right?
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ImpAtom posted:Yes, 3 is a lot clearer on its mechanics for the most part. The biggest flaw it has is similar to Xenoblade 1 in that Chain Attacks are so absurdly powerful they become the only thing worth doing when you have one available. I found chain attacks a lot more powerful for "normal" gameplay in XB2 than in XB1. IIRC making them strong in XB1 requires some research into how they work that the game is even worse than XB2 at explaining. Like there's a "trick" to getting them to continue for a long time (or even indefinitely, I think?). I also don't think you can exploit them easily for most of a normal playthrough?. I went through my entire first XB1 playthrough without figuring out how to get good damage out of chain attacks. Meanwhile they're basically 100% necessary in XB2 if you don't want boss fights to be a huge slog.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:There's a surfeit of the usual RPG chaff in KH3 like crafting poo poo, upgrading stuff, side-missions, collectibles, limit-breaks, dual-techs. Yeah like the other guy said, if you wanted friction you should've gone Critical, the land of "you can take MAYBE two hits from an equal leveled enemy before dying, if you're lucky and its a weak enemy". Having to actually strategize around the honestly very strong robots in the Toy Story world was a pretty novel difficulty experience for Kingdom Hearts, imo.
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Meowywitch posted:Heropon has dots in 1, right? Yeah and it's like the best way to play him. HEROPON VERY COOL
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its impossible for me to think about riki in xenoblade 1 without the background detail that he has 11 kids at the start of the game and 14 at the end. what was he doing offscreen
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i see a nopon im grabbing a brick playtime is over
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Endorph posted:its impossible for me to think about riki in xenoblade 1 without the background detail that he has 11 kids at the start of the game and 14 at the end. what was he doing offscreen Some of his kids are adopted.
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I was going to post “never play proud in any kingdom hearts game with critical in it; either normal or critical will always be more fun” but it would have been completely uninformed since I haven’t played half the series. I do think it’s true though
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critical is the best mode
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Meowywitch posted:yeah just don't use chain attacks if you don't want This but Attractions beyond the two boss fights that they're mandatory for in Kingdom Hearts 3
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RareAcumen posted:This but Attractions beyond the two boss fights that they're mandatory for in Kingdom Hearts 3 Setting my game to use Pro Codes just so I can turn off attractions for 1 AP less than normal Critical ftw.
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Infinity Gaia posted:Setting my game to use Pro Codes just so I can turn off attractions for 1 AP less than normal Critical ftw. I just used drive forms and 4th tier magic spells instead and had a great time of the game even though I skipped to it from 2  I don't know if it was different at launch or they didn't go away if you didn't use them or something but the way people talked about disliking them but never saying 'So I stopped using them' I assume they must've just kept filling up the screen like pop-up ads if you didn't constantly use them.
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RareAcumen posted:I just used drive forms and 4th tier magic spells instead and had a great time of the game even though I skipped to it from 2 I mean it's just kind of annoying to have to tab past them when they pop up on your list of stuff. Much easier to just turn the whole thing off with Critical/Pro Codes.
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I started playing Xenoblade 3 not long after launch, and I just now finished it. It's very good.
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Ys IX was made for twenty bucks, and it still had a better grasp on hack-and-slash combat feel and navigation than KH3 from the same year. I just want to hit things with a sword, not accidentally summon a rollercoaster that does the work for me.
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Ytlaya posted:Meanwhile they're basically 100% necessary in XB2 if you don't want boss fights to be a huge slog. Again this is not true it's just the most obvious power spike the game tells you about, there are so many more ways to increase your damage output.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Ys IX was made for twenty bucks, and it still had a better grasp on hack-and-slash combat feel and navigation than KH3 from the same year. I just want to hit things with a sword, not accidentally summon a rollercoaster that does the work for me. No that's dumb. Especially post dlc. I enjoy ys enough but there's not a single fight in them a fraction as engaging as the last run up of bosses in KH3 and they aren't on the same 0panet as the data org fights in the dlc.
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This frankly
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Terper posted:Again this is not true it's just the most obvious power spike the game tells you about, there are so many more ways to increase your damage output. Can you do this before late in the game, though? I know you can do some crazy stuff with the right Blades and aux cores later, but I don't recall anything during most of the main story being competitive with chain attacks.
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sudden pc port of an old ps1 life sim rpg, world neverland 2. no english translation yet but this is pretty unexpected idea behind world neverland is like. ultra large scale, play one person in a massive simulated country type deal. never played one of the games myself but they always seemed wild
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Ytlaya posted:Can you do this before late in the game, though? I know you can do some crazy stuff with the right Blades and aux cores later, but I don't recall anything during most of the main story being competitive with chain attacks. Just landing a full Blade Combo with Break/Topple and a Blade with a good damage boost on it (Wulfric is the go-to for the main game without DLC, Crossette with) will deal a lot of damage, often outright killing story enemies before the final dungeon or so.
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The Colonel posted:sudden pc port of an old ps1 life sim rpg, world neverland 2. no english translation yet but this is pretty unexpected Oh man, I'm gonna be really hoping for an English translation because that sounds like something I'd love to try
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Ytlaya posted:Can you do this before late in the game, though? I know you can do some crazy stuff with the right Blades and aux cores later, but I don't recall anything during most of the main story being competitive with chain attacks. You can have the entire Driver combo by Chapter 4, and are almost guaranteed to have it by Chapter 5 (Pyra/Roc/Wulfric or any other Megalance on Rex gives everything but launch, which you can get from either Knuckles on Nia or Pandora from Zeke.)
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All that struggle to amass an army of immortal dragons so that the final boss of Tactics Ogre killed himself while being pelted with rocks and all I get is fuckin' shot on my coronation day because I seem to have taken the dumbest path through the game, lol.
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Phantasium posted:All that struggle to amass an army of immortal dragons so that the final boss of Tactics Ogre killed himself while being pelted with rocks and all I get is fuckin' shot on my coronation day because I seem to have taken the dumbest path through the game, lol. Lmao
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