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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed. |
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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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I realize it's 5am there and the last page was pretty much me posting into the void, but gently caress it, this is beyond horrible and if this turns out be down to negligence in maintaining the building, someone needs to go to prison for a very long time: quote:Alice Ross has just filed this devastating account from the scene:
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That looks bad. V bad
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Jun 14, 2017 05:07
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gently caress me that's some horrific business  I hope by some miracle casualties are low but a fire breaking out at 1am, I fear it's going to be a grim toll.Also I don't support the death penalty but if this happened because some loving landlord scum wanted to line their pockets then I say bring back hanging.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:09
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Jesus Christ. I hope the landlords get manslaughter charges. Or whatever the British equivalent is. That's inexcusable.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:10
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Neighbouring buildings are being evacuated. There's concerns they can't contain it because of the debris. Jesus gently caress.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:18
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Woman on BBC saying she last spoke to her Mother at 1:30am, and she was trapped with many others in the fire escape on the 20th floor. All signs are pointing to there is going to be a significant death toll.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:24
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That's horrific, the ultimate nightmare of living in a highrise.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:26
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gently caress. I live on the 14th floor of the building and this is the kind of poo poo that gives me nightmares. Those poor people. gently caress those loving landlords. And avoid reading comments on any news articles about this. There's a lot of ghoulish Yanks who think it's terrorism and 9/11 truthers pushing their bollocks.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:31
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9th floor goon checking in. I was planning on moving soon anyway, highrises blow for many reasons beyond catastrophic fires.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:38
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This is awful, I would have assumed this type of fire wasn't possible in a modern tower block. Life sentences for the people who let this happen through poor maintenance are inevitable. For the fire to break out at the time it did is an absolute worse case scenario.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:39
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The reporters on Sky News are acting as if there's the possibility that anyone up top has survived... "Oh, the fire doesn't look as bad now! If you're currently trapped in the building, please self-evacuate."
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Jun 14, 2017 05:40
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Flayer posted:This is awful, I would have assumed this type of fire wasn't possible in a modern tower block. Life sentences for the people who let this happen through poor maintenance are inevitable. For the fire to break out at the time it did is an absolute worse case scenario. Obviously too early to tell in this case but for the one in Australia they literally clad it with combustible sheets.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:41
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"http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40269625 posted:It is managed by the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (KCTMO) on behalf of the council and had undergone a two-year, £10m refurbishment that was completed last year. E: added a proper link. This is horrible...
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Jun 14, 2017 05:48
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Holy gently caress - Video taken a few hours ago, where you can clearly here many kids screaming to be rescued. *** Warning *** https://twitter.com/o_salha/status/874815154201952256
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Jun 14, 2017 05:49
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Safety Biscuits posted:E: added a proper link. This is horrible... Indeed. Here's a creepily prescient article from last November: https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/kctmo-playing-with-fire/ Edit: And this, from March: https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2017/03/14/kctmo-feeling-the-heat/
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Jun 14, 2017 05:51
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Flayer posted:This is awful, I would have assumed this type of fire wasn't possible in a modern tower block. Life sentences for the people who let this happen through poor maintenance are inevitable. For the fire to break out at the time it did is an absolute worse case scenario. I don't quite share your optimism. Even if someone is found culpable it may be someone so down the food chain it won't matter.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:55
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illcendiary posted:Indeed. Here's a creepily prescient article from last November: quote:Jody Martin said he got to the scene as the first fire engine was arriving at Grenfell Tower.
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Jun 14, 2017 05:58
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Antti posted:I don't quite share your optimism. Even if someone is found culpable it may be someone so down the food chain it won't matter. Edit: Apraxin posted:There's also this, from someone who I guess was living nearby and just joined in with the firefighters trying to help people: Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Jun 14, 2017 06:00
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Cugel the Clever posted:Modern high rises don't have external fire escapes, they're meant to be built such that the internal stairwells serve that purpose. It works perfectly if management isn't psychopathic.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:09
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Horrific, I hope most escaped but I'm not at all optimistic. 
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Jun 14, 2017 06:11
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Apraxin posted:From the context of him grabbing the fire axe, I assumed he was going round the ground floor looking for 'fire exit' doors he could help hack open so people could get out, rather than external fire escapes. Could be either, I guess? that's how i read it. internal fire escapes typically are attached to special hallways and exits since in the event of fire you don't necessarily want to route fleeing people through the elevator lobby where presumably firefighters would be working
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Jun 14, 2017 06:12
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Has ISIS claimed responsibility for the fire yet?
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Jun 14, 2017 06:15
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quote:One resident, who did not want to give his name but said he lived “high up” in the tower, said no alarms went off as the fire started.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:18
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Obliterati posted:Meanwhile, the PLP reclaims the snarl word 'Menshevik' Louise Mensch assumes this means she's relevant and changes her name to Louise Menshevik.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:19
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Apraxin posted:Again, unconfirmed witness testimony, but if this is at all accurate the landlords should loving rot at HMP for a very long time. If they had extensive renovations done last year then there must have been a full fire inspection/safety report. If it turns out that anything in it misled the authorities then someone is going to jail for a long loving time. Unfortunately I doubt it will be the people actually responsible for it.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:23
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Cugel the Clever posted:If British law is anything like American law, the only way the shits at the top are going down is if there is written evidence that they explicitly ordered the neglect. Even then, it's a long shot because the rich are fucks. https://twitter.com/themarkashley/status/874849561977729025 I found the official pdf this was pulled from so it's certain that this 24 story high rise had one stairwell. Your health and safety regulations are worthless. farraday fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Jun 14, 2017 06:28
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https://www.riskfrontiers.com/Briefing_Notes/Briefing%20Note%20315.pdf For these of you who are unfamiliar with building fires involving flammable cladding.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:29
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More reports coming out of no centralized alarms.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:38
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The work included new exterior cladding and a communal heating system. The local Grenfell Action Group had claimed, before and during the refurbishment, the block constituted a fire risk and residents had warned that access to the site for emergency vehicles was "severely restricted". The BBC has been unable to contact the property's management company in the hours since the fire.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:38
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If the fire alarms didn't work, the escape routes weren't adequate and the cladding was flammable, the management group - and, in all honesty, the council if they didn't perform suitable scrutiny - should be looking at prison time. And a lot of it. loving privatisation.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:46
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kingturnip posted:If the fire alarms didn't work, the escape routes weren't adequate and the cladding was flammable, the management group - and, in all honesty, the council if they didn't perform suitable scrutiny - should be looking at prison time. And a lot of it. Should be, but wont given the council is 3/4 Tory run and usually these kind of companies have heavy links to the local political party. Any charges will be against the architects and maybe one of the minor directors of the company.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:49
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So th first party to take a crack at brexit are hosed. Its labours turn. If may calls for a second election she will be hosed utterly. If er dont see n even further weakened party or a genrall route of torys we will be in a nasty place. So my question is, will this sconf election get us any gurther toward putting 30 bil i to tbe NHS?
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Jun 14, 2017 06:51
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ukle posted:Holy gently caress - Don't watch this
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farraday posted:
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Jun 14, 2017 06:54
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/14/grenfell-tower-major-fire-london-apartment-block-white-city-latimer-roadquote:"We saw the fire engines, so we were looking outside at what’s going on. There was no fire alarms anywhere, because we don’t have a kind of integrated fire system – it’s just everyone’s house for itself. I walked out into the common area to see if the lifts are moving, to see if people are in a hassle – nothing. But I could smell the smoke.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:55
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JFairfax posted:The BBC has been unable to contact the property's management company in the hours since the fire. Because they did the honorable thing and comitted seppuku?
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Jun 14, 2017 06:56
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His Divine Shadow posted:Because they did the honorable thing and comitted seppuku? They're probably frantically dissolving the company and setting up a new one, with no legal liability, that they can move all their assets to.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:58
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His Divine Shadow posted:Because they did the honorable thing and comitted seppuku? I assume they're fleeing the country. Or paying the Ecuadorian embassy a visit.
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Jun 14, 2017 07:02
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His Divine Shadow posted:Because they did the honorable thing and comitted seppuku? Because they've just hosed off to Mexico with new identities
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TACD posted:Is this setup unusual? The block of flats I live in has a similar central column with one set of stairs for ~160 flats over 20 floors. We also don't have a specific fire escape door, the stairs stop at the lobby area. https://www.ifsecglobal.com/how-many-fire-exits-are-required-in-a-building/ Let me answer your question with a question, if there was a fire in the stairway what would you do? If your answer is wait for (a)rescue or (b) death Im sure you can see the problem. I can't speak to how common this design is, I can only tell you stairwells can easily turn into chimneys meaning you have to descend through clouds of smoke at the speed of the slowest peraon in front of you hoping no one sucumbs..
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