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Hedgehog Pie posted:This makes me beg the question, what was Stevie Ray worse at: commentating or wrestling? Take your time over this one. lookit dis yak
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Hedgehog Pie posted:This makes me beg the question, what was Stevie Ray worse at: commentating or wrestling? Take your time over this one. Two words: Fruit Booty
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Hedgehog Pie posted:This makes me beg the question, what was Stevie Ray worse at: commentating or wrestling? Take your time over this one.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:This makes me beg the question, what was Stevie Ray worse at: commentating or wrestling? Take your time over this one. Commenting because while we do know he's at least better (but not by much) than Ahmed Johnson at wrestling I don't think I'd ever pick Stevie over a potential commentary team that features Ahmed
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shiksa posted:jesus christ lol idk i feel like this makes more sense. it's hard as gently caress to convincingly act drunk without being drunk, so if you have a character who needs to be inebriated, getting the actor inebriated isn't the worst shortcut.
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Someone post TONY.mp3 LOOKIT DAT YAK TONY
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The only zipline/harness sting moment I remember being just  as gently caress was when he came down from the goddamn new orleans superdome rafters to end a show in... i think 1998. That roof is something like 280 feet above the field.E: i think it was the go-home show for that year's Souled Out, which didn't even feature Sting. E2: it was! And lmao going from a superdome nitro show to a PPV in Dayton in the old Hara arena that seated like 5300  in power Dayton BombersE3: Huh, Hara actually hosted a bunch of PPVs, how about that DJExile fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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I think it was AJPW or NJPW that had Tiger Mask jump off the dome into some crash pads. Like 15 seconds of free fall. It was nuts.
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Finished the Nitro book. It's a good alternative/companion piece to Death of WCW. Death of WCW's more about taking breaks from the story to point out how stupid things were because it was co-written by the Wrestlecrap guy. Nitro keeps more with the big picture, like barely even mentioning Ultimate Warrior because he really didn't matter outside of being memorable for the wrong reasons. Also, while Death of WCW is about the entirety of WCW's span, this one just focuses on Nitro and the Monday Night War, not even going into the Alliance storyline outside of one or two paragraphs. There's also way more emphasis on the whole attempt to sell WCW, including a subplot about Lenita Erickson being a player in that whole situation who, in the narrative of the book, may have cost Bischoff the ability to buy the company. I do find it funny in retrospect how the two parties who felt they could have saved WCW -- Jerry Jarrett and Eric Bischoff -- both showed us what they were made of with TNA after the fact. The book sort of treats Bischoff like the flawed protagonist of WCW's story, which I guess is fair. The author interviewed him for two days, so there's a lot of him trying to defend himself over every little thing. Probably the strangest part of the book is when Bischoff gets sent home for the first time because suddenly it becomes pages and pages of various people eulogizing him like it's the end of Hamilton. They do the same thing with Russo after he leaves for good. Anyway, Bischoff is basically depicted as both a toxic choice to lead WCW, but unfortunately the best option they had. Russo, like various other players, is given a biographical introduction when he shows up and the author does a good job making him extremely sympathetic when he leaves WWF (Vince McMahon kicking him out the door, then acting all betrayed is the most evergreen poo poo), only to portray him as being such a piece of poo poo. Even Death of WCW empathized with him for having to quit due to concussions while in this book Russo's all, "That was bullshit! I knew the ship was sinking! Haha, gently caress everyone else!" Outside of the Fingerpoke of Doom situation, Hogan almost comes off as wise by default. They play up his creative control, but they mainly focus on it when he makes actually right decisions, like telling Russo his ideas are bad. According to the book, Ted Turner is the coolest dude ever. Weirdly, Kevin Sullivan comes across as this straight man amidst all the crazy going on and is treated as sane, smart and competent while never really going into why everyone loving hated him (Benoit excluded). The best thing about the book is the chapter on Master P. While there's a lot to make fun of there, it instead tells the story from the perspective of Swoll, who helped put the deal together. You get this strangely poignant side-story about a lovely wrestler who Kevin Nash'd his way into a sweet contract, lost his friendship with Master P due to ego and escaped wrestling ASAP with all that money because he saw what the industry does to people.
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As much as the Benoit and the others hated him, a lot of other people then and now like him.
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My impression of Sullivan's booking (post-Dungeon of Doom) was that he was playing ball and doing what would please guys like Hogan and Nash, which of course required holding down the vanilla midgets. Even when he put himself at the center of things, his retirement match had him putting over Benoit in good matches, so he never struck me as an egomaniac.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:idk i feel like this makes more sense. it's hard as gently caress to convincingly act drunk without being drunk, so if you have a character who needs to be inebriated, getting the actor inebriated isn't the worst shortcut. I've basically heard that the secret to acting drunk is "Try to act sober."
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Sullivan is a good booker. But he’s also a crazy person. Maybe these are related.
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I used to have an old rear end tape of some of Sullivan's Florida run, and it loving owned
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Stevie Ray was somewhere between "bad" and "not very good" at pretty much every aspect of the business but he was at least memorable and brought small pockets of joy to all of the suckas and yaks as a commentator, which is more than I can say for his in-ring career.
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Halloween Jack posted:My impression of Sullivan's booking (post-Dungeon of Doom) was that he was playing ball and doing what would please guys like Hogan and Nash, which of course required holding down the vanilla midgets. Even when he put himself at the center of things, his retirement match had him putting over Benoit in good matches, so he never struck me as an egomaniac. That makes sense. The stranger part is when they discuss the Bret Hart/Goldberg armor segment. During it, Bret passes Sullivan backstage having a seizure and receiving medical attention and it makes sure to mention that Bret straight-up did not respect the guy.
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Gavok posted:Bischoff is always trying to whitewash his role. Everyone interviewed in the book tries to act like they're in the right. It just becomes a big pile of he said/they said and you get an idea not to take Bischoff on his word every time.
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Ted turner seems pretty cool. He’s basically what a non evil person would do if they wanted to spend a billion dollars on tv. He likes wrestling and old movies. So he bought wrestling and old movies and put them on tv.
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The American Dream posted:He likes wrestling and old movies. So he bought wrestling and old movies and put them on tv. I'd absolutely do the same poo poo.
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The American Dream posted:Ted turner seems pretty cool. He’s basically what a non evil person would do if they wanted to spend a billion dollars on tv. plus he brought the american bison back from the brink of extinction in part by reminding folks of how delicious they are
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Turner came off really poorly in the book Split Season: 1981, about the year baseball had a strike that interrupted the season.
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Barry Bluejeans posted:plus he brought the american bison back from the brink of extinction in part by reminding folks of how delicious they are That's important, if true, but they're also loving delicious.
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Punch McLightning posted:Turner came off really poorly in the book Split Season: 1981, about the year baseball had a strike that interrupted the season. Turner also comes off as a buffoon in We Could've Finished Last Without You, written by the Braves' former public relations leader in 1990. Turner wanted the Atlanta Hawks in Charlotte in the late 1970s, so he decided to tank the team. It backfired when the team of misfits - which included a former delivery driver - gelled to mediocrity. He had a poor reputation for how he handled the Braves until they got good off the farm system in 1991. Then he opened the pocketbooks and became Our Ted. Turner made a bunch of fantastic decisions - the SuperStation, CNN, environmentalism, TCM - but before the mid-1990s had an equal reputation as a whackadoo who could be very bad at managing people. He was way too hands on with the Braves right after he purchased them.
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ChrisBTY posted:I don't doubt that but my real question was... There were stories of him getting into a fight with cops that ended with him getting maced and no selling it.
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there's a dude on Craigslist here claiming that he has stage lights from the last episode of Nitro, AND the ring apron for that night, selling it all for 90 bucks. I'm so obscenely curious if they're full of poo poo or not
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Turner also comes off as a buffoon in We Could've Finished Last Without You, written by the Braves' former public relations leader in 1990. Turner wanted the Atlanta Hawks in Charlotte in the late 1970s, so he decided to tank the team. It backfired when the team of misfits - which included a former delivery driver - gelled to mediocrity. Isn't this what the movie Major League is based on?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Isn't this what the movie Major League is based on? Yes. That is the exact plot of Major League. Ted Turner is the real-life version of the villain in Major League.
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Randaconda posted:I used to have an old rear end tape of some of Sullivan's Florida run, and it loving owned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCzzKfM7aNU
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That's what I'm talking about. Sullivan shamelessly put himself on a team with legit college athletes, but he didn't drag them down by doing so.
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Halloween Jack posted:That's what I'm talking about. Sullivan shamelessly put himself on a team with legit college athletes, but he didn't drag them down by doing so. Sullivan wasn't the crispest technical worker, but his in ring stuff was usually fine, and his psychology and interviews were pretty drat good for the time period. In ring work is barely top 5 when it comes to drawing money, anyway.
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ChrisBTY posted:Yes. That is the exact plot of Major League. Is it worse to be the guy that Major League was based on, or someone who saw Major League and was like "that's a great plan!" Like the owner of the Thunder?
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We were talking spears earlier: https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/910445394940846081?s=20
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Randaconda posted:Sullivan wasn't the crispest technical worker, but his in ring stuff was usually fine, and his psychology and interviews were pretty drat good for the time period.
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Davros1 posted:We were talking spears earlier: This is the best work Knobbs has ever done.
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From what I can tell from reading books about sports. I think up until the last few years team owners just treated the teams as another part of their business portfolio. Like, you had to be rich to buy a team, but not a billionaire like it is today. I think a lot of the owners now are just so loving rich they need to do something with their money and figure they can pal around with athletes and be on tv wearing blue jeans like a regular person. With turner owning the braves was like owning wcw and his movie library. He needed programming for his tv stations, so why not buy it all at once instead of paying someone else for the rights to it every year. I looks like he paid the equivalent of $44-$53 million for the braves in 1976. Someone just bought the Kansas City royals for 20 times that.
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jesus WEP posted:Referee’s reaction is incredible I'm fairly certain that's Mickey Jay and he was fabulous at reacting to huge moves
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In one of his later publications, Hunter S. Thompson wrote an essay about how owning sports teams is now a status symbol, like owning a superyacht, a way to show off wealth and power to business partners.
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