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Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Yeah, I'm a giant nerd for Persona Q and I got the game early and even I felt it was dragging near the end. Maybe because the difficult is easy and the persona fusing system sucks.

Also, I'm replaying Mana Khemia and god is Flay such a good character. Too bad they thought the sequel needed everyone to be assholes for some reason.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Sweetgrass posted:

Universal Entertainment Corporation, they were called Aruze at the time. Judging from what I'm reading they almost exclusively published pachinko games on the playstation 1/2 and some other stuff on portable systems. They dissolved Nautilus as a studio a long time ago and with the creative talent gone and their American publishing partner bankrupt, they seem content to squat on the rights and just make casino machines.

Which is a shame, because I doubt anyone is going to express interest in buying the rights to a 12 year old defunct rpg series these days.

In fact I wonder what even prompted them to pick up the developers of an obscure rpg like Koudelka and have them make a whole new series out of blue, I feel like there has to be a moderately interesting story in there somewhere.
They might have wanted to get them to make a franchise popular enough to support branded pachinko machines. That way they wouldn't have to futz with working out a deal with the rights holders, since they owned the rights.

Funding an anime would have probably been an easier way to go about that, but RPGs were really hot in the PS1/PS2 era.

Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.

OddObserver posted:

It's actually both a story and bonus boss: after the one mandatory story battle the player can re-fight it multiple times with difficulty jumping each time.
Beating it the one required time w/o hitting the bug is pretty easy, but it gets pretty much impossible after some tiny number of optional bouts.

By the way, if anyone is actually bothered by that AT2 crash bug, someone made a patch for it. Alternatively, PCSX2 complains in the command line but otherwise emulates past the crash just fine too.

The Taint Reaper
Sep 4, 2012

by Shine
I remember when the stores were getting rid of the second and third Shadow Hearts games, I had a hell of a time trying to track down a good condition copy of the first game(which was published in America by Midway). But I find a copy at an out of the way Gamestop for 12 bucks, and then I somehow stumble across Koudelka complete for 15.

It's right up there with finding a complete launch copy of Noctourne and black label Disgaea at a soon to be gone FYE.

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro
so i had preordered shallie on amazon and i got it and everything and thats fine, but i didn't get the dlc code for the bgm pack (not really a big deal).

however, i sent an e-mail to amazon asking them for the preorder dlc and the guy from india who handled my e-mail just sent me a second copy of the game free i guess? because there's a new order due for delivery tomorrow of a copy of the game lmao

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Now you can have twice the bugs and spelling mistakes.

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

Tired Moritz posted:

Also, I'm replaying Mana Khemia and god is Flay such a good character. Too bad they thought the sequel needed everyone to be assholes for some reason.
Mana Khemia 2 is basically Animal House as a JRPG except they give you the option to play as the rich frat full of assholes as well as the plucky assemblage of outcasts and morons. And Flay is John Belushi.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

hubris.height posted:

so i had preordered shallie on amazon and i got it and everything and thats fine, but i didn't get the dlc code for the bgm pack (not really a big deal).

however, i sent an e-mail to amazon asking them for the preorder dlc and the guy from india who handled my e-mail just sent me a second copy of the game free i guess? because there's a new order due for delivery tomorrow of a copy of the game lmao
give it to me

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Suikoden Tactics started off pretty tame and never got anywhere, but that ending...

:ghost:: Son, this is your mother. I'll leave it to your imagination.

Now, before I eventually start on S 5 without a guide... are there any vital but easy to overlook support characters like that sneeze teleporting girl and Cedric in S 4?

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7R8D3HKsMY

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro

Endorph posted:

give it to me

i made the mistake of pointing out their error and instead they sent me my promo code and cancelled my free copy sorry

I will not make this mistake again

nuru
Oct 10, 2012

Gaius Marius posted:

Yeah that'll wear off pretty fast and then your just left with a repetitive dungeon crawler with a poo poo battle system.

You mean like a significant portion of the rest of the RPG genre?

Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013

This may or may not be correct.

SelenicMartian posted:

Now, before I eventually start on S 5 without a guide... are there any vital but easy to overlook support characters like that sneeze teleporting girl and Cedric in S 4?

For supports I think I only really used the doctors, and I think they're auto-recruits. In S5 you get battle characters who also have support abilities accessible in the menu, so you don't necessarily have to hunt down a support character with the same ability. You'll probably see what I mean right away with one of your starting character's skill training option.

There are also a couple characters like Cornelio who change the battle music when they're in your party. Nice to have if you get tired of the default.

Other that supports, if you're worried about missing stars, Cathari is super easy to miss, but you won't have to worry about that until pretty close to the endgame.

Codiekitty
Nov 7, 2014

Xenogears Progress: Well, swimming upstream through that aqueduct was annoying.

I Defended until that brat kid tired out.

The first time I fought Ramsus, he went into his counter stance before I attacked, so he dodged all my attacks for a couple rounds. Then I thought "Oh, I get it, this is a supposed to lose fight!" so I sat there and let him wail on me. And then, uh, I got dumped to the title screen.

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007

Codiekitty posted:

Xenogears Progress: Well, swimming upstream through that aqueduct was annoying.

I Defended until that brat kid tired out.

The first time I fought Ramsus, he went into his counter stance before I attacked, so he dodged all my attacks for a couple rounds. Then I thought "Oh, I get it, this is a supposed to lose fight!" so I sat there and let him wail on me. And then, uh, I got dumped to the title screen.

Rule of thumb with Xenogears: You can win a few of the fights you are supposed to lose. Always do your best.

Codiekitty
Nov 7, 2014

So when I fought Elly I tried Defending like I did with that little kid, then when I realized I was going to have to beat the crap out of her it was too late and I had to sit through that cutscene all over again.

Then I barely got by that turtle robot boss, the one that grabs your teammates and beats you with them. I was in the double-digits when he fortunately croaked.

Every time this game gets some steam going, along comes the plot to turn it into a book.

And really, how dense do you have to be to not know who that red gear really is?

Oh, and if Fei's father turns out to be God I want it on record that I called it.

ManOfTheYear
Jan 5, 2013
Just finished disc 1 on Parasite Eve 2 adn I really enjoy it. It does what it does well and the monsters are kinda neat, the pre-rendered backgrounds are great and grinding is fun. I really wanted to like PE1, but the combat system is a bit of a drag and not fun (running around very resticted area while waiting for the ATB gauge) and the weapon upgrading system was confusing. 3rd Birthday is supposedly pretty bad, right? Kinda shame that this series didn't continue, but I guess it would have just been ruined like final fantasy.

Modern day rpgs are extrmely my thing, but besides Shenmue, Yakuza and this, that's apparently it.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

The gameplay in 3rd Birthday is serviceable but the everything else is stupid at best and entirely the wrong kind of creepy at worst. It's short so you should play it just to see how loving stupid it is.

dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Mar 19, 2015

HGH
Dec 20, 2011
I will take every opportunity I can get to poo poo on Motoru Toriyama so gently caress that guy for whatever he did in 3rd Birthday.

What was confusing about the weapon upgrade system though? You basically remove and install features from guns and attach them to others, at the cost of the original gun itself unless you have a Super Tool. It's a bit of a lousy explanation but once you get going, making crazy super guns gets pretty amusing as more gun features show up.

Million Ghosts
Aug 11, 2011

spooooooky
Fuckin' shame about 3rd Birthday, if only it didn't have literally unavoidable panty shots everywhere.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
The panty shots were on the low tier of why it was lovely for the franchise.

Million Ghosts
Aug 11, 2011

spooooooky
They're like a terrible little cherry on top of everything else that is 3rd birthday.

nuru
Oct 10, 2012

Please elaborate. I loved 1 and thought 2 was bad.

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon
I heard the game was backwards from every way possible from its gameplay to its treatment of the subject matter and women characters. Come to think of it, I don't know if I've heard a single positive thing said about the game.

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

nuru posted:

Please elaborate. I loved 1 and thought 2 was bad.
Ehh... You've got the clothing on the main character rip off as she takes damage, a model viewer just to see that, a repeatedly unlockable shower scene (extended if you beat the game 50 times), Maeda as a drooling pervert, the plot making no sense and a very dumb ending which somehow manages to both kill Aya and presumably revive her just for kicks.

The gameplay is not too awful, but it's a third-person shooter controlled with the analog nub. Only you can transfer between the bodies of allied soldiers, and telefrag enemies, and buy weapons and upgrades, and play around with some DNA enhancement grid where you build up various abilities like triggering invincibility frames after taking damage. Somehow it's all more sluggish and grindy than it sounds, but it plays much better on an emulator with a proper controller plugged in.

Oh, and the main character in Japan was voiced but the same VA as Lightning in FF13, so there's her unlockable outfit to rip to shreds as well. Motomu Toriyama loving loves Lightning.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
Also that "makes no sense" is not generic JRPG rhetoric like you hear with other RPGs. 3rd Birthday's story is about as nonsensical as it comes. I think they just unleashed some fan fiction writers and wanted to compete against Metal Gear Solid in the crazy department but it has zero of the charm. It's just not a very good overall experience and a waste of the PE IP.

HGH
Dec 20, 2011
Yeah, it's an incredibly dumb time travel story that has almost zero relevance to past games. The DNA Board is a tacked on game mechanic and the only thing that even refers to the biology themed original games. I know they lost the license to the original name but they could've at least tried writing something more in theme.
According to Wikipedia:

quote:

Scenario director Motomu Toriyama conceived story concepts such as the snowy New York setting and the image of a bloodstained wedding dress. Over the course of the development, he adjusted the plot numerous times to be more adult-oriented and to include narrative twists. The scenario for the game was written by anime scriptwriter Toshimitsu Takeuchi who had previously worked on the series Sgt. Frog and Hataraki Man as well as an original video animation for The Prince of Tennis.
Honestly, maybe if the thing stayed a mobile game, it might have ended up less awful. I'd rather have not gotten that than gotten what we did.

bloodychill posted:

I heard the game was backwards from every way possible from its gameplay to its treatment of the subject matter and women characters. Come to think of it, I don't know if I've heard a single positive thing said about the game.
The music is not annoying and there are some OK remixes of past tracks. And I guess the voice acting is ok for the lovely script they got.

EDIT: I can't wait to play Breath of Fire... 6... on mobile...

Some more:

HGH fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Mar 20, 2015

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

My god, it's full of poo poo

Million Ghosts
Aug 11, 2011

spooooooky
Honestly that art style is decent, but only if you utterly divorce it from BoF and mobile gaming. If those were screens of a Vita BoF...

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

HGH posted:

Yeah, it's an incredibly dumb time travel story that has almost zero relevance to past games. The DNA Board is a tacked on game mechanic and the only thing that even refers to the biology themed original games. I know they lost the license to the original name but they could've at least tried writing something more in theme.
According to Wikipedia:

Honestly, maybe if the thing stayed a mobile game, it might have ended up less awful. I'd rather have not gotten that than gotten what we did.

The music is not annoying and there are some OK remixes of past tracks. And I guess the voice acting is ok for the lovely script they got.

EDIT: I can't wait to play Breath of Fire... 6... on mobile...

Some more:


That just looks like screenshots of Ragnarok Online or something. I don't see anything there that even remotely resembles Breath of Fire.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Isn't Breath of Fire filled with dragons? Where's the dragons?

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro
so desperate have i become for more breath of fire games, that that not only does that look like it might be good, i would consider paying actual money for it

The Taint Reaper
Sep 4, 2012

by Shine

hubris.height posted:

so desperate have i become for more breath of fire games, that that not only does that look like it might be good, i would consider paying actual money for it

What does BOF offer that other current games do not?

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

hubris.height posted:

so desperate have i become for more breath of fire games, that that not only does that look like it might be good, i would consider paying actual money for it

Please just buy (re-buy?) BoF3 and 4 instead of paying money for that watery garbage.

The Taint Reaper
Sep 4, 2012

by Shine
Yeah BOF 3,4, and Dragon Quarter are all not expensive at all and you would need to spend more than all of them combined to get anywhere in that phone game.

Capcom's flagship RPG is Monster Hunter now, which is not a bad thing.

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro
i own physical and digital copies (where available) of bof 1-4 they're good fun games

i really miss the archetypes and tropes of the bof 3/4 and would really like to see them return, but i am aware that they cannot be brought back, and indeed if they were, they would be the shambling reanimated corpses, painted up like a geisha to stumble into my living room and drape its cold arm along my shoulders. the temptation of painted up nostalgia coupled with the promise and disgust of necrophilia and disappointment

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!
yes, I just want a BoF game to come out and make me feel like I felt when I played BoF 3 (or for that matter, any of them). I believe it can be done in a modern game but Capcom needs to do better than this.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Levantine posted:

yes, I just want a BoF game to come out and make me feel like I felt when I played BoF 3 (or for that matter, any of them). I believe it can be done in a modern game but Capcom needs to do better than this.

Sadly Capcom couldn't if they wanted to. They chased off or fired most of their their creative talent years ago.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

nuru posted:

Please elaborate. I loved 1 and thought 2 was bad.

It's also a game you can't even cheat through without it loving you. It takes a special kind of design to be so dickish that cheats will render the game unplayable/unwinnable.

(There is a super mode you can transform into, but there is no way to cancel that transformation save letting the meter run out. Certain boss fights will have various required actions to progress the fight which the game, for some loving reason, does not let you perform in super mode. This means you cannot be killed and cannot kill the boss. It's a great thing to discover ONLY IN CERTAIN BOSS ENCOUNTERS, too.)

Also I cannot stress enough that anyone calling that game's combat "servicable" is being generous. It's one of the worst third-person shooters I've ever played, mostly because it basically assumes you're going to body-swap away from super attacks and instakills, so the design is a huge "MAN gently caress THOSE OTHER DUDES" fest, and I have absolutely no idea why certain classes of weapon are even in the game. Can anyone think of a single time in that game the sniper rifle was worth fiddling with save like... I vaguely recall a sniper sequence in a helicopter or something?

God, everything between the first stage and the final, terrible rear end-caves of New York City blends together into a featureless rage-blur for me.

SelenicMartian posted:

a very dumb ending which somehow manages to both kill Aya and presumably revive her just for kicks.

Also THIS IS NOT HYPERBOLE. You know how when you finish MGS3 you have to kill The Boss yourself, and it's a moment that stings? Okay, they make you do that to Aya Brea. Except you don't want to and you're in her body, so what you're actually doing is murdering Aya's mind in the body of a 12 year old and you've reduced the heroine of the last two games to a preteen amnesiac.

This is who you play as all game, and they then make you murder the actual Aya after this reveal because gently caress HER AM I RIGHT?

claw game handjob fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Mar 20, 2015

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nuru
Oct 10, 2012

Game sounds bad.

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