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Wengy posted:Wealth concentration through inheritance is only a thing if you're inheriting a super successful business or a bunch of houses or enough cash to literally live off the interest your newly achieved capital accrues. I would agree with inheritance taxes that kick in above this threshold, not if you're just inheriting Oma ihr klein Häuschen or a few hundred thousand euros. same
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lollontee posted:It's a joke about the east german accents ffs I know I'm wasting my loving time but - moving for a career opportunity is extremely common and normal for degree holders, in fact, it is physically impossible to have a completely even distribution of all job types and jobs across the Eurasian landmass - a career in the hard sciences is all about moving; spending a couple semesters abroad it's often considered one of the unofficial PhD requirements and it only gets worse as a post-doc - student exchanges in the EU are extremely easy and cheap, they are encouraged at every level; credits transfers between universities are easy; there are no serious language barriers in student towns for English speaking students - a universal entitlement for the best places to live and the best places to work is an oxymoron also yeah, you learn the language. that's how its done. you move to a place and then you learn the language there. people do it all the time, since ancient times. a lot. every day. You have no loving idea what socialism is about. It's certainly not about people handing you free poo poo as a thank you for existing.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:33
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I know I'm wasting my loving time but I can't wait for you to get to the point where you connect this line of reasoning to permanently moving to Görlitz being the right move for me. So yeah, you are wasting your loving time because this has absolutely nothing at all to do with the right to a home near the place you work. You know, the thing that I was talking about? And responding to? Hello? Well, except for the fact that moving from place to place as a researcher, I do indeed need the right to a home near to the place where I'm working for the year in question. So uh, yeah you kinda proved my argument there. lollontee fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Jul 24, 2017 15:40
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I am a researcher and I'm not willing to become a literal Auswanderer just to do my loving job. I know this will hamper my chances, which is why I got a berufsqualifizierenden Abschluss on the side during one of my Postdocs, but seriously, gently caress the Mobilitätsfetisch in academia.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:48
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A specter is haunting Europe, the wandering jew of academia.
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lollontee posted:I can't wait for you to get to the point where you connect this line of reasoning to permanently moving to Görlitz being the right move for me. So yeah, you are wasting your loving time because this has absolutely nothing at all to do with the right to a home near the place you work. You know, the thing that I was talking about? And responding to? Hello? I've had the pleasure of doing some freelance work in Görlitz, Löbau, and Zittau about a decade back, and invoking those places, along with Hoyerswerda probably, should be reserved as Ultima loving Ratio in any discussion. If there's a small region that deserves to get nuked over and over again more than that place, I haven't heard of it yet.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:08
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Isn't Görlitz real pretty? The Wappen is nice too, which is like half of what matters to me
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aphid_licker posted:Isn't Görlitz real pretty? The Wappen is nice too, which is like half of what matters to me "Gimme that crown!" "gently caress you bitchass polish lion!"
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I had a cushy university job in Holland and then I said goodbye to all that because I wanted to live in Berlin where im on ALG 1 right now and it's the best decision I've ever made.
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I used to be an academic until I got too sick to travel a lot and now I make three times that money without being expected to move every four years. As a Geisteswissenschaftler I am also free to drown myself in dusty books on my own time, which probably won't work so well for a proper scientist. Re: Sachsen, I think one of my dearest friends has family from one of the towns you mentioned, and he goes there and gets kind of sad because it's a very beautiful area but everyone has left. Y'all bad socialists for hating on the poor
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Wengy posted:I am a researcher and I'm not willing to become a literal Auswanderer just to do my loving job. I know this will hamper my chances, which is why I got a berufsqualifizierenden Abschluss on the side during one of my Postdocs, but seriously, gently caress the Mobilitätsfetisch in academia. I completely agree. Although a certain amount of mobility is absolutely unavoidable (research exchange, training, access to specialized lab equipment, etc.), it certainly has been getting out of hand in the last couple of years. There should be more long-term contracts again and a general expansion of the education budget to create more positions, in accordance with rising student numbers. But I don't think that has anything to do with entitlement fantasies about how the state must provide everyone with their dream job& housing in their preferred location, upon request. If you tried to do that poo poo in the Soviet Union they would have looked at you like you are a retarded. The limited, attractive jobs went to the most qualified; the little available livable housing was assigned according to waiting lists, family status, place of work, etc. (at least in theory, in practice it was mostly about corruption, political views, etc. ... but whatever)
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pidan posted:I used to be an academic until I got too sick to travel a lot and now I make three times that money without being expected to move every four years. As a Geisteswissenschaftler I am also free to drown myself in dusty books on my own time, which probably won't work so well for a proper scientist. good for you 
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Socialism is impossible because soviet union. Ok good, that settled let's move again, we got some gentrification to do here.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I completely agree. Although a certain amount of mobility is absolutely unavoidable (research exchange, training, access to specialized lab equipment, etc.), it certainly has been getting out of hand in the last couple of years. There should be more long-term contracts again and a general expansion of the education budget to create more positions, in accordance with rising student numbers. Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:- moving for a career opportunity is extremely common and normal for degree holders, in fact, it is physically impossible to have a completely even distribution of all job types and jobs across the Eurasian landmass hmm
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I completely agree. Although a certain amount of mobility is absolutely unavoidable (research exchange, training, access to specialized lab equipment, etc.), it certainly has been getting out of hand in the last couple of years. There should be more long-term contracts again and a general expansion of the education budget to create more positions, in accordance with rising student numbers. Agreed And as a Geisteswissenschaftler I'm kind of keen on tripling my salary too, so come on pidan, how'd you do it????
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Wengy posted:Agreed You are probably going to cry the first time you see what they pay in the private sector. Go to a Swiss Gehaltsvergleich and weep
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As a Geisteswissenschaftler I cut my income down by 2/3 by moving here. Anyone want tips for that?
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Wengy posted:Agreed Learn a marketable skill  Potential for tripling the salary may depend on just how bad your salary is to begin with though. I think the state should put up a bit more money to give researchers decent positions and decent living situations. Wouldn't necessarily have helped in my case, but would probably go some way towards improving the quality of life for academics and probably the quality of workers for the unis as well. Would also get "highly-educated" people to start reproducing again, ahahhaha
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I already have my marketable "Plan B"-degree, the problem is knowing when to jump ship. I've decided that this round of applications (for Assistenzprofessuren and similar stuff) will be my last attempt at academia; if one of them works out, fine, if not, I'm going to say goodbye to soul-crushing anxiety and hopefully taste the sweet nectar of an unbefristete Stelle at some point. Oh and thanks, I know what the private sector pays here in Switzerland. Though to be fair, oberer Mittelbau and Professoren are still paid relatively well here.
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Sadly it seems that the private sector is not very interested in my degree in literature???
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oliwan posted:Sadly it seems that the private sector is not very interested in my degree in literature??? Go into politics. Kiss a few rings, hold a few workshops full of interesting sounding words (that should be your core competency) and bam. Riches.
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Statistics is a good degree I think, everybody needs some stats done.
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oliwan posted:Sadly it seems that the private sector is not very interested in my degree in literature??? Handjobs an der Tanke.
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oliwan posted:Sadly it seems that the private sector is not very interested in my degree in literature??? Die großen Wirtschaftsprüfungsgesellschaften sind recht offen für Quereinsteiger.
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lollontee posted:liabilities are really actually just assets for someone else. Ya'll need to get real equities with them bitchass! What an absurd statement. Let me tell you about the Imparitätsprinzip of German GAAP..
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Randler posted:Die großen Wirtschaftsprüfungsgesellschaften sind recht offen für Quereinsteiger. Thanks, but id rather kill myself than becoming an accountant.
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oliwan posted:Thanks, but id rather kill myself than becoming an accountant. The Big4 have diversified their business. You could become a strategy consultant instead. 
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Hopefully you are also male.
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Randler posted:The Big4 have diversified their business. You could become a strategy consultant instead. Please don't wish death on your fellow posters.
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Ehh I'd give accounting a shot, it's romantic like in my
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oliwan posted:Thanks, but id rather kill myself than becoming an accountant. Post oder Bahn.
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pidan posted:Ehh I'd give accounting a shot, it's romantic like in my This is the first time in history that the words romantic and accounting have been used in the same sentence. Oh no wait, I'm sure people have said "I'm a romantic, so i will never become an account."
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Hey what is lollontees and Raspberrys fight about, I don't followbotany posted:wait what? do you have a source for that? "wealth isn't very heritable" seems to be basically the opposite of what piketty says and as far as i'm aware that claim has not been attacked by the critics at all. unless you're talking specifically about lottery winners, because that's a case where it's true that those winnings tend to evaporate too quickly to benefit the next generation. I haven't looked too deeply into that, but I've always thought this means its class and, to some degree, genes that predict class and money, not money. E.g.: Trump can be much deeper in debt than I will ever own, but he's somehow still rich???? Similarly, NBA stars can make millions upon millions, but somehow a majority of them is broke 2 years after their last check comes in, because they haven't been bathed in the skillset you need to not get hosed out of your money immediately. You still want sources on anything specific here? Also thanks for mentally filing me under "acceptable leftist dude" and just presupposing I obviously know what a "piketty" is pidan posted:I used to be an academic until I got too sick to travel a lot and now I make three times that money without being expected to move every four years. As a Geisteswissenschaftler I Asking for a friend who's a Geisteswissenschaftler
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Cingulate posted:I'm talking about anything I can think of where money, and just money, was randomly given to people - including certain government lotteries (e.g. for plots of land). Anything I've ever seen like that, you don't see any of it 2 generations later. And you have the reverse case where some part of the world is devastated, but the people are back on their feet a few years later, and richer than they were before. quote:Also thanks for mentally filing me under "acceptable leftist dude" and just presupposing I obviously know what a "piketty" is thomas piketty, french economist who wrote "capital in the 21st century", a book that's actually not all that leftist (krugman called it the most important book of the decade) and whose central thesis is that in a free market society, return on investment (including inherited wealth) tends to outperform economic growth, which automatically leads to growing inequality. one of the big things we all learned from that book is precisely that inherited wealth is a huge problem if you have any interest at all in an egalitarian society. that's why i was confused.
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So these 19th century Russian novels are all about impoverished nobles. They still have their fancy names and dinner parties, but they also have to work for a living and live in badly ventilated apartments in the city. They often work as accountants, the alternative is just blowing all their money on luxuries until there's nothing left, which is also the plot of a bunch of these novels. But being an accountant-poet is romantic to me at least. pidan fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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i saw piketty speak here in berlin two years ago: the auditorium was packed, the area with the huge screen they set up outside the auditorium with live stream was full, and there were still lines outside. it was crazy, and also he hardly speaks english lol
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Cingulate, my robobro, debt is how you get rich. (Coincidentally, it's also a good way to get poor.)
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oliwan posted:i saw piketty speak here in berlin two years ago: the auditorium was packed, the area with the huge screen they set up outside the auditorium with live stream was full, and there were still lines outside. it was crazy, and also he hardly speaks english lol at the cannes film festival last year they announced that Capital is going to get turned into a movie lol
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botany posted:thomas piketty, french economist who wrote "capital in the 21st century", a book that's actually not all that leftist (krugman called it the most important book of the decade) and whose central thesis is that in a free market society, return on investment (including inherited wealth) tends to outperform economic growth, which automatically leads to growing inequality. one of the big things we all learned from that book is precisely that inherited wealth is a huge problem if you have any interest at all in an egalitarian society. that's why i was confused. botany posted:at the cannes film festival last year they announced that Capital is going to get turned into a movie lol
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Cingulate posted:I thought it would be clear enough by me saying what I saw you naming Piketty without context to imply, but yeah, I know who he is and what he's saying. oh sorry, completely misunderstood you.
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