X-Wing: Let's Fly Some Wangs

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AndyElusive: Jan 7, 2007

Talas posted:

One side for Rebels, the other for Empire. It fits mostly every ship with cards except the huge ones... and the Ghost... and I don't have the Decimator either.

I have the same Plano and do the same thing, sorta. I don't keep my cards in it but I do have Rebs on one side and Imps on another with Scum and large base ships fitting in where ever there's space. Also I have the Decimator and it fits into the big open section and shares that spot with the YT-2400, Lambda, Firespray and Jumpmaster. So if you ever get it, you're good.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 03:17

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 05:24

Some Numbers: Sep 28, 2006; "LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

AndyElusive posted:

I have the same Plano and do the same thing, sorta. I don't keep my cards in it but I do have Rebs on one side and Imps on another with Scum and large base ships fitting in where ever there's space. Also I have the Decimator and it fits into the big open section and shares that spot with the YT-2400, Lambda, Firespray and Jumpmaster. So if you ever get it, you're good.

Wait, so will it hold two Aggressors, a YT-2400, a Lambda and a Jumpmaster?

Along with a ton of small ships?

# ? Apr 14, 2016 03:20

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

While I'm currently using a pluck-foam solution for my wangs, I fully endorse Plano as a good and cool company who will stand behind their product.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 03:22

AndyElusive: Jan 7, 2007

Some Numbers posted:

Wait, so will it hold two Aggressors, a YT-2400, a Lambda and a Jumpmaster?

Along with a ton of small ships?

Sure does.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 03:23

Herux: Dec 1, 2013

Anyone want to play TTS Xwings? MSG N.S.A on steam or in the group chat. Lets play!

# ? Apr 14, 2016 03:33

Gerdalti: May 24, 2003; SPOON!

I've been using these cases myself. I outgrew the plano double sided too quickly. http://www.harborfreight.com/19-bin-portable-parts-storage-case-93928.html

# ? Apr 14, 2016 12:01

enigmahfc: Oct 10, 2003; EFF TEE DUB!!
EFF TEE DUB!!

Gerdalti posted:

I've been using these cases myself. I outgrew the plano double sided too quickly. http://www.harborfreight.com/19-bin-portable-parts-storage-case-93928.html

That's the same things I use. I have three of them now, and the only thing that doesn't fit is the Ghost. I like them.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 14:53

EnjoiThePureTrip: Apr 16, 2011

enigmahfc posted:

That's the same things I use. I have three of them now, and the only thing that doesn't fit is the Ghost. I like them.

http://www.harborfreight.com/8-bin-portable-parts-storage-case-93927.html

The large one fits the Ghost. I have all my large ships in a large bin.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 14:57

Chill la Chill: Jul 2, 2007; Don't lose your gay

Do those harbor freight discounts apply for in-store products too or is it just online? There's actually one near me and I might just get one for the large ships that don't fit in my regionals case.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 15:04

canyonero: Aug 3, 2006

I'm still very new to the game, and have mostly rebel expansions at this point. Last night I played in a small tournament with some special rules, and I used Whisper for the first time. She was really fun to play, and it made me want to try out a Rebel Ace. As far as maneuverability is concerned, it really seems like the A Wings are the best on the Rebel side. Is something like this viable at all, or should I focus more on the X Wing and T70 Aces like Poe and that one that can T-Roll as a white maneuver?

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f...20and%20Miranda

My thoughts are that they're all PS8, so yeah they'll be susceptible to higher PS aces, but Jake's about as maneuverable as a Poe with BB8, Tycho can Rage to get a focus and a pseudo-TL, and Miranda provides consistent output via TLT. Plus she can regen a shield once per round as needed with her ability, likely missing, triggering Gunner, and rolling again. But is it dumb to invest 57 points into A wings?

# ? Apr 14, 2016 15:48

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

canyonero posted:

I'm still very new to the game, and have mostly rebel expansions at this point. Last night I played in a small tournament with some special rules, and I used Whisper for the first time. She was really fun to play, and it made me want to try out a Rebel Ace. As far as maneuverability is concerned, it really seems like the A Wings are the best on the Rebel side. Is something like this viable at all, or should I focus more on the X Wing and T70 Aces like Poe and that one that can T-Roll as a white maneuver?

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f...20and%20Miranda

My thoughts are that they're all PS8, so yeah they'll be susceptible to higher PS aces, but Jake's about as maneuverable as a Poe with BB8, Tycho can Rage to get a focus and a pseudo-TL, and Miranda provides consistent output via TLT. Plus she can regen a shield once per round as needed with her ability, likely missing, triggering Gunner, and rolling again. But is it dumb to invest 57 points into A wings?

I think you are misreading Miranda there. Unless you mean on the 2nd roll of the TLT, wherein you only roll two dice you miss. If that;s your plan, sure go for it.

Also, anyone know a squad builder that lets you do an escalation list?

# ? Apr 14, 2016 16:03

overdesigned: Apr 10, 2003; We are compassion...; Lipstick Apathy

canyonero posted:

But is it dumb to invest 57 points into A wings?

I really don't like the idea of investing 57 points into TWO A-wings...much as I love loading up Tycho or Jake. You could get three green squadron+chardaan+autothrusters for that price. They really really suffer from having only two attack dice. That said, I really like flying A-wings and taking one of them to be a zippy flanker-type pilot isn't bad. If it's just casual play, go with the list and see what happens. If nothing else it should be really fun, even if you don't have a lot of damage output.

And yeah, the TLT/Gunner interaction is such that if you trigger Gunner on the first half of a TLT shot, you have to forfeit the second half (gunner says "you may not perform any more attacks this round" on it). You can use it on the second half (if it misses) though, to get a full three attacks.

e: for optimal Miranda/TLT/Gunner usage, I guess I would take the 1st half of the TLT as normal, Miranda the second shot down to two dice, hope for a miss, and then Gunner a primary weapon attack.

overdesigned fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Apr 14, 2016

# ? Apr 14, 2016 16:14

canyonero: Aug 3, 2006

Thanks for the feedback. I'll think about switching out one of the As for a couple of lower cost As or Z95s. Also, I think we're on the same page with Miranda + Gunner, I just typed it up poorly. What I meant was:

TLT #1 (hit or miss)
Miranda'a ability to regen a shield
TLT #2 with 1 fewer red (likely miss)
If miss > Trigger Gunner
TLT #2 again

My wife's name is Miranda, so I'm (foolishly?) trying to come up with a list that uses Miranda Doni. Are there any ships she works well with?

# ? Apr 14, 2016 16:26

Some Numbers: Sep 28, 2006; "LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

I like Jake a lot, but I'd prefer to pair him with a couple of T-70s and add Proton Rockets so he can deal some good damage.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 16:28

Poopy Palpy: Jun 10, 2000; Im da fwiggin Poopy Palpy XD

canyonero posted:

Thanks for the feedback. I'll think about switching out one of the As for a couple of lower cost As or Z95s. Also, I think we're on the same page with Miranda + Gunner, I just typed it up poorly. What I meant was:

TLT #1 (hit or miss)

Miranda'a ability to regen a shield

TLT #2 with 1 fewer red (likely miss)

If miss > Trigger Gunner

TLT #2 again

My wife's name is Miranda, so I'm (foolishly?) trying to come up with a list that uses Miranda Doni. Are there any ships she works well with?

#5 would be a primary weapon attack, not TLT #2 again.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 16:29

Kai Tave: Jul 2, 2012; Fallen Rib

Also note that you can't trigger Gunner off a TLT unless you miss with both attacks, not just one.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 16:39

Gerdalti: May 24, 2003; SPOON!

Chill la Chill posted:

Do those harbor freight discounts apply for in-store products too or is it just online? There's actually one near me and I might just get one for the large ships that don't fit in my regionals case.

It's usually both

# ? Apr 14, 2016 16:46

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

canyonero posted:

I'm still very new to the game, and have mostly rebel expansions at this point. Last night I played in a small tournament with some special rules, and I used Whisper for the first time. She was really fun to play, and it made me want to try out a Rebel Ace. As far as maneuverability is concerned, it really seems like the A Wings are the best on the Rebel side. Is something like this viable at all, or should I focus more on the X Wing and T70 Aces like Poe and that one that can T-Roll as a white maneuver?

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f...20and%20Miranda

My thoughts are that they're all PS8, so yeah they'll be susceptible to higher PS aces, but Jake's about as maneuverable as a Poe with BB8, Tycho can Rage to get a focus and a pseudo-TL, and Miranda provides consistent output via TLT. Plus she can regen a shield once per round as needed with her ability, likely missing, triggering Gunner, and rolling again. But is it dumb to invest 57 points into A wings?

A-wings are the fastest and nimblest ship the Rebels have, but by no means are they the best. They just don't pack enough punch mostly. 2 dice is not a lot of dice unless you're throwing LOTS of shots.

Poe is the quintessential Rebel ace at this point.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 17:18

Chill la Chill: Jul 2, 2007; Don't lose your gay

Poe is also very handsome.

Gerdalti posted:

It's usually both

Oh nice thanks.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 17:28

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Kai Tave posted:

Also note that you can't trigger Gunner off a TLT unless you miss with both attacks, not just one.

Why would that be that case? TLT says "Perform this attack twice" and Gunner says "After you perform an attack that does not hit"

Is this one of those cases where there's yet another FAQ that says to do something other than what the card says? Getting tired of those gotchas in this game

# ? Apr 14, 2016 17:29

Devlan Mud: Apr 10, 2006; I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?

Finster Dexter posted:

Why would that be that case? TLT says "Perform this attack twice" and Gunner says "After you perform an attack that does not hit"

Is this one of those cases where there's yet another FAQ that says to do something other than what the card says? Getting tired of those gotchas in this game

I assume it's the same as Cluster Missiles where the two attacks are considered one by the Attack: header, which is what matters for things like triggering Gunner and Extra Munitions, or Tactician proccing.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 17:43

Tequila Ranger: Sep 11, 2004; host after host after host ...

Gunner (and Luke) allow you to perform a *primary* weapon attack if you perform an attack that does not hit. No second shots with cannons, munitions, or turrets.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 17:44

ranbo das: Oct 16, 2013

Finster Dexter posted:

Why would that be that case? TLT says "Perform this attack twice" and Gunner says "After you perform an attack that does not hit"

Is this one of those cases where there's yet another FAQ that says to do something other than what the card says? Getting tired of those gotchas in this game

No I'm pretty sure he's just wrong. You can Gunner off either of the two shots, however if you gunner the first you don't get the second. So you can TLT1 (hit or miss) TLT2 (miss) Gunner but you can't TLT1 (miss) Gunner TLT2

# ? Apr 14, 2016 17:46

ranbo das: Oct 16, 2013

Devlan Mud posted:

I assume it's the same as Cluster Missiles where the two attacks are considered one by the Attack: header, which is what matters for things like triggering Gunner and Extra Munitions, or Tactician proccing.

Nope, Twin Laser Turret and Cluster Missiles are treated as two separate attacks against the same target. You can tactician twice with them, gunner off the second, etc.

edit: munitions failsafe was errata'd so yeah have to miss with both for that.

ranbo das fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Apr 14, 2016

# ? Apr 14, 2016 17:49

hoiyes: May 17, 2007

Extra Munitions was FAQd to only trigger if both attacks miss, but this situation isn't transferable to Gunner, where it can be used on either attack provided the attack missed.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 17:53

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Y'all mean Munitions Failsafe.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 17:57

Kai Tave: Jul 2, 2012; Fallen Rib

hoiyes posted:

Extra Munitions was FAQd to only trigger if both attacks miss, but this situation isn't transferable to Gunner, where it can be used on either attack provided the attack missed.

That must be what I'm mistaking it for though it is correct that if you Gunner off an initial missed TLT or Cluster Missile that you then forfeit the followup attack. Either way, I don't think Gunner is a good choice for Miranda. Recon Specialist seems to be the go-to choice in my experience.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 18:01

hoiyes: May 17, 2007

thespaceinvader posted:

Y'all mean Munitions Failsafe.

Yeah, that :eng99:

# ? Apr 14, 2016 18:09

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Kai Tave posted:

That must be what I'm mistaking it for though it is correct that if you Gunner off an initial missed TLT or Cluster Missile that you then forfeit the followup attack. Either way, I don't think Gunner is a good choice for Miranda. Recon Specialist seems to be the go-to choice in my experience.

Miranda? C3PO unless her wingman is running it, or Tactician.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 18:50

Slab Squatthrust: Jun 3, 2008; This is mutiny!

ranbo das posted:

No I'm pretty sure he's just wrong. You can Gunner off either of the two shots, however if you gunner the first you don't get the second. So you can TLT1 (hit or miss) TLT2 (miss) Gunner but you can't TLT1 (miss) Gunner TLT2

This is correct. Gunner isn't worded the same as Munitions Failsafe, which is why it works that way.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 18:55

Poopy Palpy: Jun 10, 2000; Im da fwiggin Poopy Palpy XD

I just learned that the most recent tournament rules included a stealth update that says discarded upgrade cards are placed underneath the ship they're attached to, where before it said to flip them upside down. Way to go, FFG, I was really wanting to hit Adaptability with Boba Fett for a 2 point PS swing, but you were one step ahead of me.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 19:28

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Hahaha

Doesn't one of the pilots in Imperial Vets flip EPTs up? That might require an errata

# ? Apr 14, 2016 19:33

Devlan Mud: Apr 10, 2006; I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?

StashAugustine posted:

Hahaha

Doesn't one of the pilots in Imperial Vets flip EPTs up? That might require an errata

Nah, he just prevents an EPT from being discarded.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 19:34

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Devlan Mud posted:

Nah, he just prevents an EPT from being discarded.

"Once per round, after you discard an [EPT] Upgrade card, flip that card faceup."

# ? Apr 14, 2016 19:35

Devlan Mud: Apr 10, 2006; I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?

walp i'm gonna stop commenting on rules from now on

(I'll make another wrong post soon I'm sure)

# ? Apr 14, 2016 19:39

BOGO LOAD: Jul 1, 2004; "You know I always had trouble really chewing the fat with my pops. Just listen to him..."

So does that mean if Tomax didn't already use his ability, he can counteract Boba Fett trying to discard the EPT? Or is this a case where Boba Fett's doing the discarding rather than Tomax, so there's no defense?

# ? Apr 14, 2016 19:49

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

What is "faceup" on a card with two faces?

Ok painting FB group, stop making me need these dials in my life:

Owns.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 19:50

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Strobe posted:

"Once per round, after you discard an [EPT] Upgrade card, flip that card faceup."

If they've changed the wording on discarding again (which makes sense given the amount of stupidity people were raising WRT Adaptability being discarded by Boba in like, the single least likely thing ever to happen... I'd be surprised if Tomax's wording doesn't change.

Either way, the intent of his ability is perfectly clear, so who gives a gently caress.