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Bullfrog posted:This was probably already posted but holy. gently caress. Incredible. I know GOPedo diehards will make excuses but even if you don't think he's done anything wrong I can't fathom that we're in a world where this degree of raw cowardice isn't enough to send someone into decades of hermitage regardless of the actual accusations.
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KillHour posted:Cliff Notes for those that can't watch the video? They repeatedly asked him to answer whether or not he molested those women unequivocally, and he refused to speak and ran out of the room when it was clear that was the only question the reporters wanted an answer to.
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Bronze posted:After all the events of the past week I've never felt more pessimistic about the future of the US. Cheer me up. The world is ending faster than we would have ever imagined so while the US political landscape is terrible, the end is not too far off.
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So, will Moore win? I think Al Franken may have helped his chances. Everyone's thoughts?
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Bronze posted:After all the events of the past week I've never felt more pessimistic about the future of the US. Cheer me up. We're all made of star dust and that's what we all will be again eventually.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/CNN/status/931306221843501056 I've tried to avoid the "Franken should resign" debate because it's a difficult, sensitive topic that oftentimes gets clouded by emotion. But I think it's absurd. I feel it undermines the very argument of anti-sexual assault advocates. Not all improprieties are equal and there shouldn't be a blanket punishment for these crimes and allegations. It has nothing to do with political affiliation. If a similar allegation was leveled against McConnell I would feel the same way, and those saying "We have to call for his resignation because we're the good guys" is still wading into politics. If Franken were a manager, or employee, of a firm and a picture of him groping a coworker was released than he should be fired or resign. If a picture came out showing him groping a stranger than he should be fired or resign. Because it would create a lack of trust and culture of fear for women at that workplace. If similar, more recent allegations appear than he should be fired or resign. But there has been no evidence of a pattern of misconduct and no evidence that he has caused any discomfort for his colleagues, staff or constituents. And if we are going to hold our elected officials to a higher standard (and I agree we should), how about we hold them accountable for all the self-evident horrible poo poo they do. There are members of Congress who are responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. There are members of Congress who have ruined the lives of millions through corrupt legislation that benefits the rich, lobbyists, Wall Street, etc. The actions of Moore and the actions of Franken are worlds apart in terms of moral, let alone legal, criminality. Edit: But I actually just contradicted myself with that last sentence. The allegations against Moore have nothing to do with those against Franken, and both men should be held accountable to the context and severity of their individual actions. Giggy fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 08:23
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KillHour posted:We're all made of star dust and that's what we all will be again eventually. I actually think about this and find it comforting in times of desperation. The universe is amazing and unflinching and awesome in the most literal sense.
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Nov 17, 2017 08:24
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KillHour posted:We're all made of star dust and that's what we all will be again eventually. Unfortunately, the star dust will still sexually harass the cosmic gases as they both get inexorably devoured by the black holes.
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Nov 17, 2017 08:24
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Covok posted:So, will Moore win? I really don't see this helping Moore. The only people who are gonna vote Moore after Franken were gonna vote Moore before Franken. Nobody says "I wasn't gonna vote for the child molester, but Al Franken broke my heart."
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Nov 17, 2017 08:24
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This too shall pass. But yeah, Moore is winning. The election didn't happen within days of the sun shining on his pedophilia, so R's have enough time to digest it all and pull that lever.
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Koalas March posted:I actually think about this and find it comforting in times of desperation. The universe is amazing and unflinching and awesome in the most literal sense. The best part of being atheist is being able to get a glimpse of what created you and admire its awesomeness. Also being able to sleep in on Sundays.
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Nov 17, 2017 08:26
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Unfortunately, the star dust will still sexually harass the cosmic gases as they both get inexorably devoured by the black holes. I wonder if hyper-advanced peaceful alien civilizations have trouble understanding the concept of consent.
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Nov 17, 2017 08:27
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KillHour posted:We're all made of star dust and that's what we all will be again eventually. Some dust will sadly be more grabby than other dust.
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KillHour posted:The best part of being atheist is being able to get a glimpse of what created you and admire its awesomeness. No everyone else can do that too. Also the Sunday bit.
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Tarantula posted:Some dust will sadly be more grabby than other dust. That's just because it's more massive. 
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KillHour posted:We're all made of star dust and that's what we all will be again eventually. Meh. I think I'll just tune out.
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KillHour posted:I really don't see this helping Moore. The only people who are gonna vote Moore after Franken were gonna vote Moore before Franken. Nobody says "I wasn't gonna vote for the child molester, but Al Franken broke my heart." It motivates those who were not going to vote at all because they had to vote a pedophile in. Now they have all the moral high ground they need to say "eh Democraps are just as bad, I can vote for my dude again"
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canepazzo posted:It motivates those who were not going to vote at all because they had to vote a pedophile in. Now they have all the moral high ground they need to say "eh Democraps are just as bad, I can vote for my dude again" I still don't see it, but we will see the polls in a few days.
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canepazzo posted:It motivates those who were not going to vote at all because they had to vote a pedophile in. Now they have all the moral high ground they need to say "eh Democraps are just as bad, I can vote for my dude again" Someone willing to bend this far over backwards to rationalize dumb bullshit like this was going to vote moore no matter what. He is not going to win. It's not like he's helping the situation, either.
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Tuxedo Gin posted:I wonder if hyper-advanced peaceful alien civilizations have trouble understanding the concept of consent. If anything, aliens that have mastered interstellar travel transcended physical reproduction and sexuality a long time ago. Assuming they even had sexuality at all.
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HPanda posted:This too shall pass. I'm still a tiny bit dubious on this, in part because there is one crucial difference between this and the Trump scandal, which is that no one gives a poo poo about Doug Jones. In the presidential, the media moved on from access hollywood and all the trump accusers because 'Her Emails'. Each day had some explosive scandal for one or the other, and whenever Trump got his foot jammed in it, he could point at Hillary and one of a million manufactured scandals. Franken helps a little with this, but the pedophillia accusations are the defining aspect of this election all the way up to election day. Will that matter? Who knows. I sure hope so.
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I think regardless of Franken, Moore was always gonna win. There are too many broken, terrible people who will pull R no matter what. Way too many of those people live in Alabama. I have more faith in the shittiness of these people than I do polls. Even people who are otherwise not terrible will twist their mind in horrible directions to convince themselves that these problems are all lies. I have relatives who claim to be completely anti-Nazi, anti-White Nationalist, and anti-racism who still proudly love Trump. There's no reaching these people. Tribal politics is a hell of a drug.
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Senf posted:Disable auto-load, duder I don’t have the app, I use the browser
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Bullfrog posted:This was probably already posted but holy. gently caress. loving hell even Trump would have handled this better. By boldfaced lying of course but still.
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Kubrick posted:Ignore biology. 
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Kubrick posted:Ignore biology. Better take. We're a failed biology experiment. Time to invent a better model, and obsolete the old one.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Better take. We're a failed biology experiment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I It has begun!
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Caros posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I "Say, why is this called the Killbot program anyway?"
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Knifegrab posted:Believe me she doesn't need you to white knight her, she is a strong independent lady. LOL how did I know that someone who whines about social justice in their post was going to use "white knight" in the follow up. gently caress the hell off, cretin.
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https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/931352084083040257 https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/931377624550604800 What's with this guy and explosives?
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Quorum posted:That's the one, yes. You can't simply take the bare minimum badness threshold for being a US President in the latter half of the 20th and first part of the 21st centuries and reduce the entire impact of their presidency to that, or you are completely obviating the entire presidency. Differences matter, and in his impact on the ordinary American's life, Obama was a better President than most of the ones we've had since FDR. Of course he did bad things, and those shouldn't be ignored. But the "just" reduces it all to that and you shouldn't. I see your point but I have to disagree with you. Only one of the points I mentioned is comparable to presidents stretching back to FDR. In regards to the war, I think the greatest impact of his presidency overall is that he continued the policies of the previous president to murder innocent people in far away countries. Just because other presidents have done similar things doesn't make it any less disgusting, disturbing or immoral; it also far outweighs, in my eyes, any positive impact that his domestic policies have had. The financial situation the country was in when he took office gave him a unique and crucial opportunity to fixing banking and investment regulations. An opportunity which he completely avoided. He was either in bed with the banking sector or was too scared to implement anything meaningful or both. The continuation and expansion of the patriot act was a very conscious choice. The fact that he continued it is in and of itself unique to his presidency. He had the opportunity and ability to shut down a new authoritarian tool but he didn't take it and I'm not even sure why. Maybe it's because his corporate friends realized it's a great tool to quell dissent. I certainly agree the ACA and his LGBTQ rights initiatives were good for the US, but when you factor in the above his good points are eclipsed by the damage he caused through his actions or lack thereof.
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Avirosb posted:https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/931352084083040257 He’s trying to be Ben Wittes. He’s mad Wittes signal boosts stories that are abstractly damaging to Trump with his mini cannon and BOOM! tweets, so Hannity spitefully does the same thing only with made up insane stories about Hillary Clinton, because Hannity is both uncreative and crazy.
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Nov 17, 2017 10:40
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Covok posted:#FireHannityNow From a cannon E: lmao the POTUS is a literal puerile retard who can't even spell "Frankenstein". Also, a rapist
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I wonder how many Republicans think that if the justice department starts another investigation into Hillary that it will magically make the Mueller investigation go away.
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I find equating Franken with Moore to be intensely obnoxious. It's possible to agree that both have done incredibly poo poo things without equivocating those poo poo things as being even remotely on the same field of severity, let alone the world of difference in how both men have handled being called to the floor for their poo poo (and no, that doesn't undo what they did and make it all okay, but yes, that loving matters). I also don't think Franken should resign, given what's happened today and his accuser's reaction (so long as that's all that he's done) but then, I'm rather attached to staying alive, so I can't say I'm unbiased there. He doesn't need to fall on his sword to prove that Democrats are the more moral party in this situation, just look at that loving Moore press conference and what our child president is tweeting out about the woman Franken targeted (nice job trying to revictimize her to the whole world for a cheap shot and your gross fantasies, you piece of poo poo).
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Ok,but "equivocating" does not mean the same thing as "equating"
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Octatonic posted:So I'm the one who said "destroy Heterosexuality" (nb: not heterosexuals) and I stand by that because it is a lovely concept that we invented in the 20th century to naturalize our weird ideology about how men and women are supposed to interact, and to "scientifically" exclude those who don't fall into a socially acceptable behavior pattern. this is a good post.
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