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sheep-dodger posted:It's not perfect no, but checking a party's actual votes instead of their campaign promises is at least an attempt at getting a different picture. 67 % with Die Linken and 63 % with Die Grünen - seems accurate.
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pretty much what I expected 60.8% - Die Linke 58.6% - Bündnis 90/Die Grünen 44.2% - SPD 41% - CDU/CSU GaussianCopula posted:This is a bad way to do a wahl-o-mat.  this is really dangerous stuff cause it could convince a substantial part of the GroKo voters to switch parties, pointing out the complete disconnect between rhetoric and action in both parties. especially SPD, lmao, someone should sue them for wrong advertising. at least the CDU doesn't pretend to actually give a poo poo about people that much
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58% Die Linke. It was weird. When you agree with a measure in principle, but think it doesn't go far enough, but don't quite know the context, how are you supposed to vote ..?
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That's interesting, the "traditional" Wahlomat almost always gives me Die Grünen or Die Linke as the parties most aligned with my politics, whereas here I'm mostly aligned with CDU/CSU and SPD. I guess it's because I don't necessarily have strong negative feelings about GMOs in agriculture, nuclear power and the Bundeswehr participating in military operations abroad (which I can't recall ever being a strong focus in Wahlomat surveys)? Though it could also be that most parliamentary votes actually were initiated by the governing parties, giving a survey that bases its questions on how parties voted on it a bias towards the GroKo, maybe? Dunno.
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Cingulate posted:58% Die Linke. It was weird. When you agree with a measure in principle, but think it doesn't go far enough, but don't quite know the context, how are you supposed to vote ..? 
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Cingulate posted:58% Die Linke. It was weird. When you agree with a measure in principle, but think it doesn't go far enough, but don't quite know the context, how are you supposed to vote ..? Yeah, it was particularly weird when they had "institute a 8.50€ minwage" and "institute a 10.00€ minwage" side by side. Does a "yes" to either count as an implicit "no" against the other there? Or would a "no" against 8.50€ be considered a vote against having any minwage at all even if you put a "yes" for the 10€ option afterwards? Also there's the general issue of selection bias in that apparently you only see proposals that have made it to a vote in the first place.
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Like, seriously, when you, as the SPD, are voting against an automatic annual Bafög inflation/cost-of-living adjustment due to the GroKo, what are you even standing for as a party? gently caress this GroKo bullshit
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THE TRUTH IS IN THE MIDDLE!!!!
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This kind of wahl-o-mat is bad because the opposition can basically copy their Wahlprogramm and whatever is sexy at the moment into legislative proposals, knowing that they will never seriously discussed while the actual governing parties have to conform to the harsh reality.
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GaussianCopula posted:This kind of wahl-o-mat is bad because the opposition can basically copy their Wahlprogramm and whatever is sexy at the moment into legislative proposals, knowing that they will never seriously discussed while the actual governing parties have to conform to the harsh reality. Dafür muss die Regierungspartei ihr Programm nicht mit der PR-Abteilung russischer Energiekonzerne abstimmen.
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SPD 67, CDU 65, Grüne 50, Linke 37 I sexually identify as GroKo apparently
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GaussianCopula posted:This kind of wahl-o-mat is bad because the opposition can basically copy their Wahlprogramm and whatever is sexy at the moment into legislative proposals, knowing that they will never seriously discussed while the actual governing parties have to conform to the harsh reality. Lol if you seriously belief that a party plans their legislative agenda so that they look good on one specific Wahlomat
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GaussianCopula posted:This kind of wahl-o-mat is bad because the opposition can basically copy their Wahlprogramm and whatever is sexy at the moment into legislative proposals, knowing that they will never seriously discussed while the actual governing parties have to conform to the harsh reality. lolno², sending the Bundeswehr on dumb adventures across the globe, refusing to adjust Kindergeld, Bafög& Co. to inflation while running a record budget surplus, introducing Vorratsdatenspeicherung, a PKW Maut, etc. have nothing to do with harsh reality. These are just oval office policies introduced by oval office parties for oval office people Duzzy Funlop posted:THE TRUTH IS IN THE MIDDLE!!!! Guhn vollständig amerikanisiert, ein Fremdkörper im deutschen Threadvolkskörper
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https://twitter.com/jfkr_/status/898629425528360961 jfc
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Hmm, und Erdoğan plädiert implizit für Rot-Gelb(-Blau)... 
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Heil Satan
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...still would. Albeit self-hatingly.
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Maultasche, aber für Pfanne und Grill? Habe ich da was verpasst?
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Grendels Dad posted:Maultasche, aber für Pfanne und Grill? Habe ich da was verpasst? In welchem Jahrhundert lebst du Brudi? *brät Maultasche*
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Die Maultaschen vom Vortag in Butter mit Zwiebeln anrösten. Currywurst-Maultaschen: Satan? Nein. Berlin? Ja.
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Aber wahrscheinlich ziemlich lecker.
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BEUGE ER SICH
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das ist so ein essen dass ich intern nicht nach geschmack sondern nach alkoholpegel kategorisiere, glaub ich. das wäre vermutlich ein 2 promille und aufwärts gericht.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:nazies, they punch nazies, not random people they disagree with Not the Junge Union, but it's cringeworthy watching idiots think it's productive to protest against the ~system~ (which is imperialist and capitalist) by having a random brawl and torching Kleinwagen whenever there aren't enough convenient Nazis in punching range.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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botany posted:das ist so ein essen dass ich intern nicht nach geschmack sondern nach alkoholpegel kategorisiere, glaub ich. das wäre vermutlich ein 2 promille und aufwärts gericht. Die Frage ist nur, wie mutig du mit zwei Promille bist! Pfanne oder Grill?
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Multilake posted:Die Frage ist nur, wie mutig du mit zwei Promille bist! Pfanne oder Grill?
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Stick a chopstick in and I guess those would make good ersatz corndogs, no?
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Put them in a box with a hole in it and they would make good Rattenköder except for the bit where rats are probably too smart to eat them
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It's meat seasoned with curry in a noodle mantle. Sounds good to me.
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GaussianCopula posted:It's meat seasoned with curry in a noodle mantle.
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Cingulate posted:... a non-gloating post by GC? What happened? Currywurst in a Maultasche neither threatens our Blut nor our Boden, just our stress hormone and cholesterol levels.
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Erst wenn auch der letzte Wochentag zum Veggie-Day erklärt wurde, werdet Ihr sehen, dass man Currywurstmaultaschen essen kann.
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Fleisch in Veggie-Tarnung ist wie Zeitreise in Terminator.
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Die taz zweifelt daran, dass es beim Amerikanischen Bürgerkrieg um Sklaverei ging. Sind das jetzt auch böse Nazifreunde, die ich hauen und doxxen darf? 
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Nein. Das sind keine Nazis, also sollst du die auch nicht hauen. Die Regel ist so einfach, da kommst du auch mit dumm stellen nicht weiter.
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Simply Simon posted:Roh deepthroaten, Strohrum hinterher, anzünden. Damit verdienst du dir das Bundesverdienstkreuz! Meine Meinung
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Randler posted:Die taz zweifelt daran, dass es beim Amerikanischen Bürgerkrieg um Sklaverei ging. yo, dasn dummer idiot, hauen darfste aber nur nazies!
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Wieso bekommen Nazis bei dir eigentlich n extra e?
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Randler posted:Die taz zweifelt daran, dass es beim Amerikanischen Bürgerkrieg um Sklaverei ging. Du hast den Artikel aber schon gelesen, oder? Der ist nämlich absolut korrekt, es ging keineswegs um die Abschaffung der Sklaverei aus humanitären oder moralischen Gründen, sondern um die unterschiedlichen ökonomischen Auswirkungen die sie auf Wirtschaft der einzelnen Staaten hatte und die daraus folgenden Zollpolitik die diese bevorzugten. Und die Emanzipation aller Sklaven wurde auch erst sehr spät Teil der Forderungen. Historisch gesehen ist der Artikel also abgesehen von der, zugegebener Maßen etwas reißerischen, Schlagzeile korrekt. edit: Hoppala, da hätte ich den letzten Absatz wohl nicht überfliegen sollen. Okay, Korrektur meinerseits, die Fakten und die historische Analyse sind zwar korrekt, aber die Folgerungen für die Gegenwart daraus sind ziemlicher Müll, gerade wenn man sich ansieht wann und wo diese Statuen gebaut wurden. Randler, du kannst also die taz Redakteure sowohl hauen als auch doxxen 
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