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Guy Goodbody posted:Ooh boy. The MCU already introduced the concept of an intentionally created large shared universe into movies, the Fox deal could bring another comic book thing in; confusing partial hard reboots! Everybody likes Deadpool, so make Deadpool canon in the MCU, but the three main dudes from the other X-Men movies are all retired, so reboot the regular X-Men stuff into the MCU. They will obviously reboot like they did with Spider-Man once they are part of the MCU. It actually works out perfectly because the original cast of X-Men wrapped up their story with Days of Future Past and Logan. Sure they are trying to continue the story with Jlaw and the younger cast with Pheonix and New Mutants but people only give a poo poo about the original crew and they have already received a fitting ending. I'm way more interested what will happen on the comic side though.
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Have Gwenpool show up then have her drag Ryan Reynolds Deadpool from the Fox universe into the MCU.
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Dec 12, 2017 04:30
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Top Gun posted:So I expect a lot of fluff books to get cancelled over the coming year if the Fox Deal goes through at Disney. Got to make way Marvel's new A-list superhero teams the X-Men and Fantastic Four and their related universe of characters (Silver Surfer, Doom, X-Force, Future Foundation, etc. etc.) With Legacy being a rolling turd they need to do something. Maybe it's time to truly reboot their universe.
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Dec 12, 2017 04:31
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Rhyno posted:With Legacy being a rolling turd they need to do something. Maybe it's time to truly reboot their universe. That's a bad idea. DC did that 6 years ago and it was a rolling turd that kept them depressed for 5 years until they basically put out a comic apologizing for the whole thing. All they really need is to promote their younger Talent more, let the writers write and put less editorial mandates, and stop doing gimmicks like events and relaunches and variant covers and other quick shots into your arm to boost sales in the short-term. If they just went back to basics and focused on quality across the entire line and not just in a few really good series, stop giving big names the run of the place like with Bendis where they can do anything and even the editors can't stop them, and stopped with the bad PR somehow, they'd be fine. It's like losing weight. If you keep looking for some miracle cure, it will never work. If you just regulate your diet, eat a little healthier and eat a little less, and exercise a bit, the basics, you actually lose weight.
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Dec 12, 2017 04:40
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Nah. It's a good idea. Steve is thawed out in 2017, immediately starts pinching girls' butts and has to learn a hard lesson.
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Dec 12, 2017 04:44
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Rhyno posted:With Legacy being a rolling turd they need to do something. Maybe it's time to truly reboot their universe. They should reboot and introduce a status quo similar to the MCU. Note i'm not saying it should be canon with the MCU (that would be limiting) it just should be consistent with it. Characters and their supporting casts should look and behave similar to their film and show counter parts.
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Dec 12, 2017 04:46
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Top Gun posted:They should reboot and introduce a status quo similar to the MCU. Note i'm not saying it should be canon with the MCU (that would be limiting) it just should be consistent with it. Characters and their supporting casts should look and behave similar to their film and show counter parts. Sounds no good!
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Dec 12, 2017 04:47
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Teenage Fansub posted:Nah. It's a good idea. Steve is thawed out in 2017, immediately starts pinching girls' butts and has to learn a hard lesson. I really hate, and I know you're being ironic, all those people who say that Captain America should be a piece of poo poo and completely forget the point of the character and how he's supposed to be the best America has to offer, the Marvel Superman.
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Dec 12, 2017 04:48
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Mark Waid has a comic for you!
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Dec 12, 2017 04:49
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I heard that they were bringing Logan back from the dead. Which confused the poo poo out of me, because I'd seen Logan on the cover of comics. It turned out that was Old Man Logan, a Logan from an alternate universe. But the regular Logan was dead. Not from the time he went to hell and then escaped hell, this was an unrelated death. And I was supposed to be surprised and dead that Logan was back from the dead, despite the fact that he had escaped hell in an earlier story line, and also there was a slightly different version of Logan running around the whole time, and they'd supposedly moved on and made Laura into Wolverine. Marvel should stop doing that kinda poo poo.
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Dec 12, 2017 04:52
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Guy Goodbody posted:I heard that they were bringing Logan back from the dead. Which confused the poo poo out of me, because I'd seen Logan on the cover of comics. It turned out that was Old Man Logan, a Logan from an alternate universe. But the regular Logan was dead. Not from the time he went to hell and then escaped hell, this was an unrelated death. And I was supposed to be surprised and dead that Logan was back from the dead, despite the fact that he had escaped hell in an earlier story line, and also there was a slightly different version of Logan running around the whole time, and they'd supposedly moved on and made Laura into Wolverine. It's all justified cause Death of Wolverine and Lemire's Old Man Logan (even Bendis' Secret Wars OML) were pretty darn good. I'll try to not have every second reply now.
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Dec 12, 2017 04:55
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Teenage Fansub posted:Mark Waid has a comic for you! Dude, I own both issues and plan on owning all the rest.
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Dec 12, 2017 04:57
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Guy Goodbody posted:I heard that they were bringing Logan back from the dead. Which confused the poo poo out of me, because I'd seen Logan on the cover of comics. It turned out that was Old Man Logan, a Logan from an alternate universe. But the regular Logan was dead. Not from the time he went to hell and then escaped hell, this was an unrelated death. And I was supposed to be surprised and dead that Logan was back from the dead, despite the fact that he had escaped hell in an earlier story line, and also there was a slightly different version of Logan running around the whole time, and they'd supposedly moved on and made Laura into Wolverine. I mean, was there ever any doubt they would bring back OG Logan Wolverine, despite all the various other Wolverines now running around...? I get that it’s cynical but it’s also inevitable; whether it’s Ben Riley being Spider-man, Steve Rogers being assassinated, Batman getting “killed” and going back through time or whatever or Jean Grey etc etc - no way these guys are permanently dead.
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Dec 12, 2017 05:26
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Rhyno posted:With Legacy being a rolling turd they need to do something. Maybe it's time to truly reboot their universe. How'd that work out for DC? I'm actually asking, I don't follow sales numbers or anything like that. I did get the impression it was poorly received by longtime DC fans. I remember it did make me buy the first three issues of Batman before deciding I'm just never gonna like Batman, so there's that. Anyway, personally, I'd hate a Marvel reboot and it'd probably make me just drop my Marvel titles. Then I'd be down to... like, Monstress and Black Monday Murders, and I'd only ever need to visit my comic shop once a year! But I'm still not sure what Legacy is supposed to even be. It's not an event, it's not a reboot, I don't even think they launched that many new titles out of it. So they renumbered a bunch of books (ugh, renumbering) and most books are doing a throwback-y storyline, some more overt than others. Did they really think it would be a big sales driver? The real tragedy is the only lesson they're going to take away from this is "See? This is what "no big linewide events" gets us!" I'd be 100% onboard a new normal where there's, say, always one two-title crossover happening but no more bullshit Heroes Fighting Heroes events making GBS threads up all my "stories" at a time, twice a year.
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Dec 12, 2017 05:46
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Diet Poison posted:How'd that work out for DC? I'm actually asking, I don't follow sales numbers or anything like that. I did get the impression it was poorly received by longtime DC fans. I remember it did make me buy the first three issues of Batman before deciding I'm just never gonna like Batman, so there's that. Anyway, personally, I'd hate a Marvel reboot and it'd probably make me just drop my Marvel titles. Then I'd be down to... like, Monstress and Black Monday Murders, and I'd only ever need to visit my comic shop once a year! The reboot was extremely successful for DC. Sales eventually bottomed out because they couldn't keep the momentum going, made bad editorial decisions, and released too many low quality books. Still though the reboot lasted 5 years and the universe of that reboot is still going but they have just loosened up continuity a bit to let some of the old stuff leak back in. There were plenty of successful comics in that time period like Snyder's Batman, Azzerello's Wonder Woman, and the various Jeff Lemire books to name a few.
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Dec 12, 2017 06:03
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The best idea I've seen was in the retailer group. It was suggested that Marvel should just license their entire universe out and let the guys who run Valiant have a crack at it.
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Dec 12, 2017 06:23
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Diet Poison posted:How'd that work out for DC? I'm actually asking, I don't follow sales numbers or anything like that. I did get the impression it was poorly received by longtime DC fans. I remember it did make me buy the first three issues of Batman before deciding I'm just never gonna like Batman, so there's that. Anyway, personally, I'd hate a Marvel reboot and it'd probably make me just drop my Marvel titles. Then I'd be down to... like, Monstress and Black Monday Murders, and I'd only ever need to visit my comic shop once a year! Pretty well a few times, not so well the second to last time, brought them to #1 for a while the latest time (units not dollars, since Marvel overcharges and the unit lead was slim.) DC hasn’t only done it once.
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Dec 12, 2017 06:27
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Top Gun posted:Characters and their supporting casts should look and behave similar to their film and show counter parts. That's been going on for a while though? I mean it's not 1:1 matches, but it's certainly no coincidence that, for example, Jessica Jones got a comic where she's a hot mess and fighting Purple Man soon after her Netflix show featuring Purple Man debuts. I mean there's examples all over the place: Thor reintroduced Malekith when Thor 2 came out, Iron Man's had the villain of his movie show up in at least one quick arc in the comic every time an IM movie has come out (even though there have been not-so-subtle differences like featuring Obadiah Stane and Justin Hammer's kids rather than the men themselves). And surprise surprise, Marvel's next big event concerns the Infinity Gems (except now they're the Infinity Stones because that's what the MCU calls them) right in time for the next Avengers movie.
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Dec 12, 2017 06:39
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They should let that Japanese guy, Akira something, shake things up.
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Dec 12, 2017 06:41
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Can't we just have a Secret Civil Wars vs Marvel Universe Infinity Crossover and have the twist be that all the superheroes have been Skrulls this entire time? e: Teenage Fansub posted:They should let that Japanese guy, Akira something, shake things up. That's Akira Yoshida-sensei to you gaijin-san
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Dec 12, 2017 06:41
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TwoPair posted:That's been going on for a while though? I mean it's not 1:1 matches, but it's certainly no coincidence that, for example, Jessica Jones got a comic where she's a hot mess and fighting Purple Man soon after her Netflix show featuring Purple Man debuts. I mean there's examples all over the place: Thor reintroduced Malekith when Thor 2 came out, Iron Man's had the villain of his movie show up in at least one quick arc in the comic every time an IM movie has come out (even though there have been not-so-subtle differences like featuring Obadiah Stane and Justin Hammer's kids rather than the men themselves). And surprise surprise, Marvel's next big event concerns the Infinity Gems (except now they're the Infinity Stones because that's what the MCU calls them) right in time for the next Avengers movie. Corporate synergy is terrible.
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Dec 12, 2017 06:45
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Scout for quality writers and pay for good artistry. Hire good editors that aren't caught in the incestuous cic circlejerk. This is difficult because quality artists are hard to find but that's what they need to do.
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Dec 12, 2017 06:57
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DC getting Bendis was actually a secret swap. https://twitter.com/Ssnyder1835/status/939939266477641728
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Dec 12, 2017 07:31
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That'd be interesting to see.
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Dec 12, 2017 07:35
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We need that Iron Man Noir feeling back!
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Dec 12, 2017 07:37
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That looks slick on a tablet. I already own Hickman's Avengers in floppies and hardcovers. I just finished my reread last week, and it holds up quite well.
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Dec 12, 2017 07:38
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Teenage Fansub posted:We need that Iron Man Noir feeling back! That wasn't even Noir.
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Teenage Fansub posted:DC getting Bendis was actually a secret swap. Well I guess if you're going to start Legacy as a super secret history of The Avengers in the Stone Age you might as well get the man that specialized in writing secret histories of Gotham with Batman I guess.
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Dec 12, 2017 08:32
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Teenage Fansub posted:They should let that Japanese guy, Akira something, shake things up. Finally would have some real diversity at Marvel that's for sure
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Dec 12, 2017 08:35
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Rhyno posted:The best idea I've seen was in the retailer group. It was suggested that Marvel should just license their entire universe out and let the guys who run Valiant have a crack at it. Man, I remember SFDebris' Rise & Fall of The Comic Empire that Shooter came super close to actually buying Marvel at one point (I think the guy who won that bid apparently thought he'd bought DC), which would have been...interesting.
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Dec 12, 2017 11:58
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Yvonmukluk posted:Man, I remember SFDebris' Rise & Fall of The Comic Empire that Shooter came super close to actually buying Marvel at one point (I think the guy who won that bid apparently thought he'd bought DC), which would have been...interesting. I was once told that Donald Trump wanted to buy Marvel at some point in the 80s or 90s but haven't seen anything to confirm one way or the other.
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Lurdiak posted:No, he clearly had something in mind, it just wasn't very good. Which is surprising since despite a weak ending, his Thor God of Blood (or whatever the hell it was called) mini was pretty interesting and cool. Blockhouse posted:He ditched mid-storyline and Kieron Gillen took over I sort of mixed them up in my head because of Gillen doing JiM, but that was running concurrently with Fraction's Thor, or was right after it (since it spun out of Fear Itself). Also Marvel don't need to reboot their Universe, they just need to stop publishing bad comics.
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On a semi-serious note, what would they do to the current crop of X-Men shows? Legion and The Gifted are both way more expensive(-looking) than Marvels current crop of TV shows, and by not having to operate in that nebulous MCU, they can have all the stupid events they want. Would they even renew them? Please don't cancel me
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Could Disney/Marvel still release things under the 20th Century Fox banner once they buy it? Use that as a kinda offshoot MAX thing cause it'd be throwing out the baby with the bathwater to stop the Fox type 'out there' ideas that don't fit in the regular MC/TVU. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Dec 12, 2017 15:43
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Rhyno posted:The best idea I've seen was in the retailer group. It was suggested that Marvel should just license their entire universe out and let the guys who run Valiant have a crack at it. It's like saying the best way for the [a traditionally successful but stumbling sports team] to finally win an [sports championship] is if you just renamed the [stumbling team] to [even less successful team]. UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT I TOTALLY MISREMEMBERED 3-1 MEMES Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Dec 12, 2017 16:43
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Teenage Fansub posted:Could Disney/Marvel still release things under the 20th Century Fox banner once they buy it? Probably. Star Wars films are still released by Lucasfilm.
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Edge & Christian posted:It's like saying the best way for the Cleveland Cavaliers to finally win an NBA championship is if you just renamed the New York Knicks the Cavs. Lmao. Cavs won in 2016.
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Mr Hootington posted:Lmao. Cavs won in 2016. The idea that the way to really turn around Marvel is to get them writers like Greg Pak and Jody Houser and Jeff Lemire still stands.
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