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Tulalip Tulips posted:*Katz runs into an asteroid, dies* kamille not having his brain destroyed by a deadly space wizard curse seems to make a lot of people real mad for some reason
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Yinlock posted:kamille not having his brain destroyed by a deadly space wizard curse seems to make a lot of people real mad for some reason I think it's more that that one thing is emblematic of all the changes and problems with the Zeta movies, as the culmination of the movies really. It becomes the focal point for frustration rather than being a major problem on it's own, at least from a lot of the complaints I've seen about the trilogy.
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Jul 13, 2019 14:13
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So his brain doesn't go like swoosh in the movies?
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Jul 13, 2019 14:20
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Yinlock posted:kamille not having his brain destroyed by a deadly space wizard curse seems to make a lot of people real mad for some reason The Zeta movies are real bad for reasons beyond Kamille not getting smoked by Power Word: Vegetable. Arcsquad12 posted:So his brain doesn't go like swoosh in the movies? The movies largely trash the entire back half and climax of Zeta. There's no Kilimanjaro(Four dies to being shot in the head by Ben Wooder without Kamille ever knowing what happened to her), there's no speech at Dakar so Char misses literally his defining moment in the entire series, Kamille doesn't get brainjacked by Scirocco, and the conclusion after the battle at Gryps after Scirocco dies is Haman going "Hmm okay we're leaving now" and Axis just pulls out and flies away again for no reason.
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Jul 13, 2019 15:17
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wait, jerid doesn’t get flipped off the mountain in the movies? that’s a very important scene
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Jul 13, 2019 17:20
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dudermcbrohan posted:wait, jerid doesn’t get flipped off the mountain in the movies? that’s a very important scene The Zeta movies cut a lot of critical parts of the story.
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Jul 13, 2019 17:34
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dudermcbrohan posted:wait, jerid doesn’t get flipped off the mountain in the movies? that’s a very important scene 100% of Zeta TV's scenes that take place on Earth after Hong Kong are cut in the movies. Hong Kong happens, Argama fucks off back to space, big climax, the end, with the primary changes of Kamille not getting zapped and Haman taking Axis away again for no reason at all.
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Jul 13, 2019 17:56
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Kanos posted:100% of Zeta TV's scenes that take place on Earth after Hong Kong are cut in the movies. Hong Kong happens, Argama fucks off back to space, big climax, the end, with the primary changes of Kamille not getting zapped and Haman taking Axis away again for no reason at all. Amusingly enough the asteroid Axis would probably still show up soon anyway, it’s not like you can slam the brakes on a huge rock on course for Earth from beyond Mars. Though I guess in the movies Axis Zeon’s fleet was the only thing that makes the trip.
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Jul 13, 2019 18:06
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Kamille becomes a brain wizard after getting sent to the shadow realm anyway. And yeah, its not Kamille not getting whammied that's the problem specifically, its that its emblematic of a dozen other changes that make the whole thing worse because hugely important things got removed. The speech at Dakar is the point of Quattro's arc and its just gone. I'm not going to say that Four needed to get fridged, but the stuff at Kilimanjaro is kind of a big deal even if you don't have her die. And obviously the pivotal Jerid Judo moment. As a whole the movies don't really work like the MSG movies did where things still fit together in the story sensibly. Tulalip Tulips posted:*Katz runs into an asteroid, dies* I watched Zeta recently with someone who had seen it before and someone who had only seen the MSG movies and War in the Pocket before. The one who had seen it before couldn't believe how long Katz lasted, his memory was of them going back to space and Katz loving up and dying within two episodes. The one that was new to it thought Katz was going to survive after the rock and then when the big explosion that ultra kills him happened just went "Good, finally. gently caress Katz" compared to a heartfelt "Nooo!!" for every other non-villain, even Apolly and Roberto.
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Jul 13, 2019 18:43
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Midjack posted:The Zeta movies cut a lot of critical parts of the story. They don't even show Kamille punching Jerid when they meet, except as a flashback
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Jul 13, 2019 18:48
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I’ve heard he gets it worse in the novels. Rosamia is alive, so Kamille gets a brief hope spot of coming out of the mind attack because he’s still got someone out there to look for. Then she dies right in front of him and he flips out. At the end of the novel he’s found in the Zeta’s cockpit, ambiguously either catatonic or straight up dead. I hope there’s no ZZ novelization. Tomino would definitely kill Judau right after Leina is safe.
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Jul 13, 2019 19:31
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 I would pay to see this parody image turned into a real thing one shot episode.
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Jul 13, 2019 19:55
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the defining moment for the Zeta movie is kamille's new throwaway line going "yeah, and scirocco took out the jupiteris when he exploded!" or something like that isn't it like..... a couple kilometres long...
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Jul 13, 2019 21:52
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It's 2km long, yeah. I suppose if he exploded near the engines, and the reactor went off it's possible though, because reactor explosions in Gundam are always pretty spectacular.
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Jul 13, 2019 22:05
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It is a helium tanker after all. Once you pop, you can't stop.
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Jul 13, 2019 22:51
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Lol wow V Gundam, killing off Uso's mom by crushing her with a tire and the having him hold her decapitated head in a helmet.
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Jul 13, 2019 22:54
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Arcsquad12 posted:
I approve of Grampa Bright's salmon pink coat.
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Jul 13, 2019 23:15
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I uh finished Victory Gundam and it was definitely a trip.
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Jul 14, 2019 04:14
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Tulalip Tulips posted:I uh finished Victory Gundam and it was definitely a trip. You stood up to the victory.
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Jul 14, 2019 05:07
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MonsieurChoc posted:You stood up to the victory. I didn't stop, I carried on. I also laughed like a seal when Chronicle died. I've seen the clip bit it really didn't do it justice. Tulalip Tulips fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jul 14, 2019 |
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Jul 14, 2019 05:12
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Kanos posted:The Zeta movies are real bad for reasons beyond Kamille not getting smoked by Power Word: Vegetable. yeah I know, just that particular moment seems to get a ton of focus despite being ultimately inconsequential Kanos posted:The Zeta movies are real bad for reasons beyond Kamille not getting smoked by Power Word: Vegetable. tbf it could be argued that char's defining moment is turning his back on everything to settle his petty grudge with amuro
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Jul 14, 2019 06:43
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Tulalip Tulips posted:I didn't stop, I carried on. I’ve never seen that, actually. Do you have a clip or something?
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Jul 14, 2019 14:49
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HitTheTargets posted:I’ve never seen that, actually. Do you have a clip or something? spoiler for Victory Gundam https://imgur.com/wzXmGnI
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Jul 14, 2019 14:57
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I don’t know whether to laugh or say “drat!”. Victory Gundam knows how to kill a guy, that’s for sure.
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Jul 14, 2019 15:09
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The real flaw with G-Reco is it needs about 5-10 more episodes scattered about to really let everything gel together once it gets into space. As-is it rushes through each arc to get to the next just a little too hastily at times. Just finished episode 23 and I'm totally feeling this right now. Like, I'm pretty sure I know what's going on overall but at the same time wait what why is that guy over there now, are they friends? When did that happen? Who are they? Why are they here? Are we not gonna resolve the parent arcs before the finale? Wut? I really like the mobile suit designs though and I hope they throw us a few more HGs with the movie releases.
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Jul 14, 2019 17:11
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It's like an unwritten rule of Gundam that if someone gets killed by a regular human weapon that it will more often than not end up being over the top
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Jul 14, 2019 18:38
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Yinlock posted:tbf it could be argued that char's defining moment is turning his back on everything to settle his petty grudge with amuro I think Kanos meant in Zeta
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Jul 14, 2019 18:50
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EthanSteele posted:I think Kanos meant in Zeta Yeah. Char's entire arc in Zeta is grappling with the conflict between running away from his identity and embracing it, and Dakar is the culmination of that entire arc. Cutting it means Char has no arc in Zeta and he goes from major focus character to just kind of hanging around for some reason. (Though honestly I would argue that Dakar is an even more pivotal moment in Char's life than his decision to do what he did in CCA, because without embracing his identity as Casval/Char, he wouldn't have been able to do what he did in CCA in the first place. He could have totally lived out the remainder of his life as some no name soldier quite happily, because he was really loving good at it and nobody knew who he actually was besides a tiny group of people.) Kanos fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jul 14, 2019 |
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Jul 14, 2019 18:58
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Gripweed posted:spoiler for Victory Gundam Right in the loving face  . I really need to get around to watching this.On a completely different note, I've always wondered if it is possible to map mobile suit development in the U.C. to the various generations of real world fighter aircraft. I've had a dream to do a run of gunpla dressed up in Ace Combat squadron livery, but figuring out what mobile suits to assign to which real world fighter eludes me. Do any of you have any thoughts on this? E.g. 0079 suits roughly map to 2nd Gen fighters, Unicorn to 5th Gen, etc.
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Jul 15, 2019 22:51
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The ZZ is the F-35
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Jul 15, 2019 23:05
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you know I'd like a sidestory about a bunch of anaheim techies building the latest hot new gundam and going "uh so is /this/ one going to cause hallucinations or be powered by the dead or something" and the senior is just like "don't think about it too much, it's some magic kid's problem elsewhere"
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Jul 15, 2019 23:28
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Warmachine posted:Right in the loving face So in the future we're going to have sports car inspired fighter jets ala F91?
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Jul 16, 2019 00:08
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Lets go all in on motorcycle themed fighter jets and boats and poo poo. Just Duker Iq the whole military.
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Jul 16, 2019 00:21
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Gripweed posted:The ZZ is the F-35 Disagree, ZZ actually saw combat (and hasn't decapitated Judau)
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Jul 16, 2019 00:25
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DamnGlitch posted:Disagree, ZZ actually saw combat (and hasn't decapitated Judau) So has the F-35. It's not exactly peer fighting, but in case you haven't noticed, it's been more than 40 years since the last armed conflict between the United States and any military that could be described as having an air force without breaking down in laughter. Meanwhile, every interview I've seen with actual pilots for F-35's in testing have been kind of gushing, describing how easy it is to fly the thing. Kind of the exact opposite of the ZZ, where even Judau occasionally has trouble keeping it in line. Although what I've seen has suggested that the F-35's been making a lot of progress towards being, you know, good, I'd suggest the Zudah would be a better reference for the narrative you're working with. Amazing on paper, pilots love it... and it's kind of a death trap.
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chiasaur11 posted:Although what I've seen has suggested that the F-35's been making a lot of progress towards being, you know, good, lmao
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chiasaur11 posted:So has the F-35. I was already sold on the ZZ = F-35, but then you brought up the Zudah, and... yeah, that sounds about right.
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Jul 16, 2019 02:39
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The ZZ is the F-35 in as such as it has all kinds of fancy high tech crap crammed in for no real good reason. It's OK that it has no specific battlefield role, because it can do everything! The combination gimmick is basically the same thing as STOVL. Both literally and in terms of being a thing that is very cool on it's face and after reflection doesn't really serve that much purpose. And presumably it cost a ridiculous amount of money.
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Jul 16, 2019 03:42
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Lets be real here. Every other Mobile Suit is a 35.
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lol if you take Lockmart marketing seriously in trying to classify fighters by generation
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