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PaintVagrant posted:The only thing that gets me hard anymore is youtubes of straight piped MV F4s We warned you those leathers don't fit
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Carth Dookie posted:We warned you those leathers don't fit They fit when I am youtoobin straight piped V4s 
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PaintVagrant posted:They fit when I am youtoobin straight piped V4s They're an I4 
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PaintVagrant posted:On the Italian scale of reliability how bad is an MV? So my housemate commuted for a year on a Dragster - the bike was actually mostly sound. The problem was in the details. For example - OEM battery is garbage. Fuel tuning needed multiple warranty updates to get it reasonable. UI was fiddly. All of those would have been fine, just the usual MV quirkiness except that the lack of attention to detail means that with bad starting fueling that was hard on the starting circuit plus a slightly low spec starter sprag, it burned out a starter sprag like clockwork every 3.5k. They released 3 or 4 "updated parts", none of which ever fixed the problem. In 15k he went through 4 and was about to get his 5th. So he lemon lawed it, and 3 days later it was stolen. He ended up getting msrp out of insurance so whatever but it was just so Italian.
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Jul 8, 2016 06:42
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Slavvy posted:They're an I4 Whoa really?
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PaintVagrant posted:Whoa really? Yeah, Tamburini loved him an I4 - the only reason his most famous creations were v-twins was because he was at Ducati and that's what they did.
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Jul 8, 2016 12:41
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I assume its a product of the crazy 4 pipe exhaust that the exhaust sounds so utterly evil?
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Jul 8, 2016 15:42
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I assume they sound different because of an intensely, violently italian thing they call radial valves (totally different to what actual radial valves are) wherein the valves are angled toward their neighbour as well as their opposite, necessitating angle cut cams and resulting in an unusual combustion chamber shape. It's the usual nugget where they add layers of complexity and manufacturing costs for a miniscule performance benefit. See also: practically anything german.  The four pipe exhaust comes out of one big cat like every other modern bike.
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Jul 8, 2016 22:05
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Angle cut cams, what could possibly go wrong 
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Jul 8, 2016 22:17
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Slavvy posted:See also: practically anything german.
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Jul 8, 2016 22:24
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BlackMK4 posted:Maybe, but BMW M engines are some awesome AI poo poo. Those are one of the few times the gadgets and farkles genuinely do something.
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Jul 8, 2016 22:28
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Slavvy posted:I assume they sound different because of an intensely, violently italian thing they call radial valves (totally different to what actual radial valves are) wherein the valves are angled toward their neighbour as well as their opposite, necessitating angle cut cams and resulting in an unusual combustion chamber shape. It's the usual nugget where they add layers of complexity and manufacturing costs for a miniscule performance benefit. See also: practically anything german. Oh my god what
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Jul 8, 2016 22:43
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Slavvy posted:I assume they sound different because of an intensely, violently italian thing they call radial valves (totally different to what actual radial valves are) wherein the valves are angled toward their neighbour as well as their opposite, necessitating angle cut cams and resulting in an unusual combustion chamber shape. It's the usual nugget where they add layers of complexity and manufacturing costs for a miniscule performance benefit. See also: practically anything german. Is that the cause of the weird phaser sound (the sound effect not the Star Trek weapon) that it has, then? I always thought that there was something really freaky with the exhaust routing or something because at certain revs there are some really loving freaky harmonics and poo poo going on with that engine, it really doesn't sound like any other engine.
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Slavvy posted:I assume they sound different because of an intensely, violently italian thing they call radial valves (totally different to what actual radial valves are) wherein the valves are angled toward their neighbour as well as their opposite, necessitating angle cut cams and resulting in an unusual combustion chamber shape. It's the usual nugget where they add layers of complexity and manufacturing costs for a miniscule performance benefit. See also: practically anything german. Well, the minuscule performance benefit and unnecessary complexity is probably what they say to justify it to their (probably German) bankrollers, but the real Italian reason is probably to amake her asound as good as she alooks.
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Linedance posted:Well, the minuscule performance benefit and unnecessary complexity is probably what they say to justify it to their (probably German) bankrollers, but the real Italian reason is probably to amake her asound as good as she alooks. When Tamburini was at Agusta is was still controlled by Cagiva so they were being bankrolled by the money Cagiva got from selling Ducati to the Yanks.
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Jul 8, 2016 22:52
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Some of the harmonics remind me of the 675.
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Jul 8, 2016 23:50
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Why would the angle of the exhaust valves change the sound to any significant degree? Presumably they still have roughly the same timing as they would if they were straight, so the exhaust pulses would come at the same interval. The number of pistons, the crankshaft angles, the firing order, the compression ratio, the displacement, and of course the exhaust shape/length/baffling all would have a greater effect on the engine note than some minor detail of the valve design, I'd think. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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Combustion chamber design and port shape has a tremendous effect on how an engine sounds and that setup is a significant departure from other I4 bikes. Consider:a fireblade and a zx10 with decent headers and a yoshimura sound nothing alike despite having identical displacement, firing order, valvetrain design and overall configuration. The differences are primarily in cam duration (which doesn't differ that much anyway because of emissions/practicality reasons), combustion chamber shape and port shape/length. Then consider how wildly different to a japanese bike the MV's sound. I'm basing this off of race bikes I've heard in person whic side-steps the question of factory exhaust systems engineered with a certain goal in mind. Basically everything about the internal aspects of an engine has an effect on how it sounds and the overall effect is determined by dozens of different variables mixing together; the overall configuration, firing order etc only really determine the basic flavour you start off with. If a V-twin is bacon and an I4 is chicken, the vagaries of ports/cams/pistons etc are more like the cooking method and seasoning. You won't change your chicken into bacon with a fancy exhaust but you can change if it tastes like indian butter chicken or kentucky fried. Yeah I don't know where I was going with that either.
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Jul 9, 2016 02:26
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Slavvy posted:Combustion chamber design and port shape has a tremendous effect on how an engine sounds and that setup is a significant departure from other I4 bikes. Consider:a fireblade and a zx10 with decent headers and a yoshimura sound nothing alike despite having identical displacement, firing order, valvetrain design and overall configuration. The differences are primarily in cam duration (which doesn't differ that much anyway because of emissions/practicality reasons), combustion chamber shape and port shape/length. Then consider how wildly different to a japanese bike the MV's sound. I'm basing this off of race bikes I've heard in person whic side-steps the question of factory exhaust systems engineered with a certain goal in mind. Mmm Kentucky fried butter chicken...
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Jul 9, 2016 03:23
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Slavvy posted:Yeah I don't know where I was going with that either. You were hungry. Now we're ALL hungry. 
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Jul 9, 2016 04:32
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Does that make V4s chicken wrapped in bacon?
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Jul 9, 2016 06:11
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Beach Bum posted:You were hungry. Now we're ALL hungry.  Renaissance Robot posted:Does that make V4s chicken wrapped in bacon? V4's are a peppercorn steak.
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Jul 9, 2016 06:57
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V8s are that vat-grown meat science hasn't made edible.
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Jul 9, 2016 08:41
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Surely a V8 is just two chickens at right angles?
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Renaissance Robot posted:Surely a V8 is just two chickens at right angles? Four bacons in a stack
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Jul 9, 2016 16:43
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How many points you want? All of them. All the points.
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Jul 10, 2016 15:38
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Found my next bike! [NSFW] https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/mcy/5643490729.html The rear fender lady's body proportions are A-Maze-Ing
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TheFonz posted:Found my next bike! tonya_harding_whyyyyyyyy.mpeg
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Jul 10, 2016 23:14
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Going to look at a 2010 ttr250 as a first bike at a place a bit out of town. Gonna bring a buddy. Wish me luck and not murder/robbed/raped!
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Jul 13, 2016 07:55
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Watch out for your corn hole.
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I found a 2010 Street Triple 675 with some decent after market goodies like frame sliders, tank pads, givi rack plate (kinda dumb looking when not being used but I suppose that can always come off), windscreen, aftermarket seat of some sort. I think I might make it my first bike, or at least go see it in person and sit on it. They are asking $6000. Might try to talk them down to $5500 after taxes/fees if they would go for that. There is a $100 off MSF thing in my packet from them at least.
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Jul 14, 2016 00:51
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Jesus jumped up christ
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JHVH-1 posted:I found a 2010 Street Triple 675 with some decent after market goodies like frame sliders, tank pads, givi rack plate (kinda dumb looking when not being used but I suppose that can always come off), windscreen, aftermarket seat of some sort. I think I might make it my first bike, or at least go see it in person and sit on it. They are asking $6000. Might try to talk them down to $5500 after taxes/fees if they would go for that. There is a $100 off MSF thing in my packet from them at least. Yeah dude definitely go niggle over price for a bike you can't ride for poo poo
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 2010 striple
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Jul 14, 2016 02:17
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No, Dude
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Jul 14, 2016 02:20
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Buy a GoPro, up your healthcare, and get collision insurance.
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Jul 14, 2016 02:25
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Buy a ninja 300 and sell it after two months, jeez
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dont listen to all these pussies bro that bike sounds sikkkk
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