Milhist Thread Part The IVth: sir, my ass is flowing like Sun Tzu's army

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TooMuchAbstraction: Oct 14, 2012; I spent four years making
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feedmegin posted:

The Norway harbour raids (I assume you're thinking of Narvik here) were well before Pearl Harbour happened, for what it's worth...

Yeah, historical timelines go right out the window, simply because the player is going to be present for all of these listed events and I don't want them bouncing across the globe constantly. No matter where you start you're going to run into issues because the war proceeded simultaneously in multiple areas -- Normandy happened after Guadalcanal but before Leyte Gulf, for example.

History is an inspiration, because it makes it easier to write plausible conflicts and mission briefings. But my war is not WW2. I'm barely going to be acknowledging that ground conflicts exist, and there will be no nazis and no atomic bombs (though the boss fight superweapons are a sort of A-bomb standin, I guess).

FrangibleCover posted:

There's the option of the later raids against Tirpitz and general coastal shipping in Norway, including the only time that one of Fisher's Follies sank a ship.

Tirpitz is getting an upgrade to glacier-based warship (like the pykrete CVs that were briefly considered during the actual war), and will be featured in a mission chain based on the Archangelsk convoy. I guess it could survive that chain and be featured in a raid-based chain to specifically sink it, but that feels like it has significant narrative overlap with the Bismarck hunt. Bismarck, naturally, will also be getting an upgrade to boss tier.

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Since you have Indian Ocean down and seem to intend a sort of campaign where you circumnavigate the world, maybe you could have a mission based on the Indian Ocean Raid where you have to do your best to evade a greatly superior enemy force while transiting to Australia. It reintroduces the Kido Butai equivalent that defeated the player's team at Pearl Harbor as a significant threat even with all of your hard-won experience in Europe and breaks up the gameplay slightly.

That makes good sense, thank you for the suggestion!

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SeanBeansShako: Nov 20, 2009; Now the Drums beat up again,
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ChubbyChecker: Mar 25, 2018

LingcodKilla posted:

Yes you can sign a contract to go into the navy and go straight to buds after boot camp. If you wash out they give you a few options, usually Nuke, CT or IT. Being an IT gives you a back door to serving with them again in a limited role as support. If you wash out again they send you to fleet with an open contract. That means pushing a broom or painting on a ship.

CT?

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Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

ChubbyChecker posted:

CT?

Crypto tech.

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

You're welcome.

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Edgar Allen Ho: Apr 3, 2017; by sebmojo

Thank god for all the labels or who would know what it meant

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Tomoe Goonzen: Nov 12, 2016; "Too paranoid for you?"
"Not me, paranoia's the garlic in life's kitchen, right, you can never have too much."

One of those guys needs a big DEBT label

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chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

They forgot to make all the people in the bottom row white.

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

I'll take one bag of prosperity if you please.

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Don Gato: Apr 28, 2013; Actually a bipedal cat.; Grimey Drawer

ChubbyChecker posted:

CT?

Intelligence. Also where you find Navy linguists.

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Solaris 2.0: May 14, 2008

zoux posted:

You're welcome.

Wow that�s like a proto Ben Garrison

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Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Don Gato posted:

Intelligence. Also where you find Navy linguists.

CTI are the linguistic weenies

CTN are network

CTT technical equipment operators

CTM maintenance for the equipment

Fairly cush jobs in the reserves too.

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ChubbyChecker: Mar 25, 2018

Don Gato posted:

Intelligence. Also where you find Navy linguists.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Crypto tech.

LingcodKilla posted:

CTI are the linguistic weenies

CTN are network

CTT technical equipment operators

CTM maintenance for the equipment

Fairly cush jobs in the reserves too.

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ChubbyChecker: Mar 25, 2018

zoux posted:

You're welcome.

e: reminds me of this:

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Fangz: Jul 5, 2007; Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

For a moment I was wondering what they meant by 'the united states fought for spanish oppression'

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Also was the industrial oppression of Hawaii from US based corps

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Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

It also seems to be leaving out the part where the us just kinda refused to leave the Philippines after liberating them.

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Agean90 posted:

It also seems to be leaving out the part where the us just kinda refused to leave the Philippines after liberating them.

Hey man, you're not one of the cool kids if you don't have a colony(s) to occupy and oppress.

Edit: the best part about that onion article is the part about Belgium

Ice Fist fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Aug 20, 2019

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Our Dumb Century is the best thing the Onion's ever done

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ChubbyChecker: Mar 25, 2018

zoux posted:

Our Dumb Century is the best thing the Onion's ever done

lmao

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Tomoe Goonzen: Nov 12, 2016; "Too paranoid for you?"
"Not me, paranoia's the garlic in life's kitchen, right, you can never have too much."

Assassination of Archduke Spreads Fear at Archduke Convention

:allears:

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PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

ChubbyChecker posted:

e: reminds me of this:

It's a simple and cruel joke, but have to admit "after a protracted firefight, during which many German units were forced to reload, Germany emerged victorious" made me chuckle.

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII/status/1163879529938657280

Ah yes, hello mein Furher, we hav made an oopsie

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feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Tbf weren't Soviet divisions smaller?

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Edgar Allen Ho: Apr 3, 2017; by sebmojo

Yeah a soviet rifle or tank Corp s was closer to what in the west would be called an infantry or armoires division.

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Fangz: Jul 5, 2007; Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Part of this is the Soviet mobilisation effort, part of it is the reconstituting of divisions from destroyed ones, right?

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FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

zoux posted:

Our Dumb Century is the best thing the Onion's ever done

Ottoman Empire Almost Declares War On Itself (instead decides to kick that particular can down the road into the 20s)

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feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

armoires division.

The Fascists will fear the might of socialist cabinetry!

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Saint Celestine: Dec 17, 2008; Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.
- Saint Sabbat, Lessons; Grimey Drawer

Mostly the large manpower pool the Soviets could draw from, and the mass mobilization/total war footing the Soviets switched to. The nazis underestimated how deep Soviet reserves were, and it appeared to them that they were creating new divisions out of seemingly thin air.

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Saint Celestine posted:

Mostly the large manpower pool the Soviets could draw from, and the mass mobilization/total war footing the Soviets switched to. The nazis underestimated how deep Soviet reserves were, and it appeared to them that they were creating new divisions out of seemingly thin air.

Asoviogenesis

Also that quote is from OKH CoS Franz Halder, who noted in his diary on July 3 that "this war is over" (also instrumental in the creation of the clean Wehrmacht myth)

zoux fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Aug 20, 2019

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Alchenar: Apr 9, 2008

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

Hey folks, I could use some advice for the WW2 ships game I'm working on. I've sketched out a rough route, and corresponding historical battles/events, for the player to take over the course of the game:
Hawaii: Pearl Harbor

Panama Canal: ???

Cuba/East Coast: ???

Northern Europe: Anchangelsk convoy; Bismarck; Norway harbor raids; Normandy landings (D-day)

Southern Europe: Battle of Cape Matapan; Operation Pedestal; Operation Husky

Indian Ocean/Australia/Philippines: Battle of Leyte Gulf; Operation Watchtower

As noted, I have a few historical missions to use as inspiration for all of these except for Panama and Cuba/East Coast. I feel like it'd be too much of a jump to go from "we just ran away from Pearl Harbor" to "now we're in Northern Europe", though. Any suggestions for historical inspirations I could use for that set of locations (or the others, I'm not picky)? I mean, I can always just do "the enemies are staging an attack fleet here, go in and sink them", but it's more fun if I can steal from events that actually happened. And it makes the writing easier.

I have a couple of reasons for starting at Hawaii and end in the western half of the Pacific. The first is that basically everyone knows about Pearl Harbor, so it helps to set expectations for how the game is going to work -- more or less inspired by history, but with scope and details tweaked. So e.g. before the aerial raid, the player will be facing a few traditional fleets, which they can successfully repel. Then the aerial rate will be preposterously huge and supported by an airborne aircraft carrier.

The second reason is that the Ring of Fire plays a part in my endgame.

Honestly if you are doing an Ace Combat style fake-history then reach back to WW1; a Jutland three parter 'the run south', 'the run north', 'clash of titans', has been sorely missing from naval games. Just use heavy cruisers for the battlecruiser portion and come up with a reason for Battleship lines to meet in the Pacific.

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Mr Enderby: Mar 28, 2015

xthetenth posted:

BalloonFish posted:

Thanks for the answers. It's quite interesting to think that such a cutting edge military force grew up out of an administrative quirk.

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fat bossy gerbil: Jul 1, 2007

I�m looking for a good winter coat and I thought maybe something milsurp would be cheap and effective but I don�t know what�s good and what�s not. Someone who knows field dress got any recommendations?

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chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

fat bossy gerbil posted:

I�m looking for a good winter coat and I thought maybe something milsurp would be cheap and effective but I don�t know what�s good and what�s not. Someone who knows field dress got any recommendations?

Sorta depends on how cold the environment is. Check out Sportsman's Guide.

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Edgar Allen Ho: Apr 3, 2017; by sebmojo

My ex bought and wore a USMC jacket at a milsurp store and got beaten into hospital for it. I dunno how exactly to avoid that, but avoid it, or try to. Definitely don�t be a gay.

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Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

The navy just switched uniforms from the blue grey NWU type 1. The outer shell jacket are all surplus now. Match that to the still current black thermal and you got a cheap bad weather jacket.

Also not likely to beat up for it since lol navy

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chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

My ex bought and wore a USMC jacket at a milsurp store and got beaten into hospital for it. I dunno how exactly to avoid that, but avoid it, or try to. Definitely don�t be a gay.

Yeah that, uh, doesn't sound like the jacket's fault.

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Edgar Allen Ho: Apr 3, 2017; by sebmojo

chitoryu12 posted:

Yeah that, uh, doesn't sound like the jacket's fault.

He was straight off a navy enlistment too for what it�s worth

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PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII/status/1163879529938657280

Ah yes, hello mein Furher, we hav made an oopsie

Yeah I love how quickly his opinion shifted:

https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII/status/1146537043826302976
Narrator: He was.

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Tons of people thought the ACW would be wrapped up by the end of 1861

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