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this is a cool story about the nazis getting owned by a retired guy, some kids, and 40-year old torpedos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KgBJC4RXC4 GolfHole fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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Julius CSAR posted:He plagiarizes so thoroughly he will quote other’s obvious historical inaccuracies word for word. Also he takes nazi propaganda at face value and considers it a worthwhile source, and just general jerking off of the technological and strategic superiority of the German military (which was anything but) in general. Up to and including things like cool action stories about SS units. Fair enough, his frequent output does seem to suggest a necessary degradation of quality, I'm mostly just chasing something that contains interesting stories/concepts , like that high altitude dogfighting thing without it putting on a spoopy voice and trying to implicitly let me in on secret/wild/epic knowledge I guess audio books of this stuff is the way forward. In terms of cool WW2 stuff https://youtu.be/s1i-dnAH9Y4 It's an instructional overview for how to use a fire control mechanical computer from a ww2 battle ship If you have an understanding of trigonometric functions and what a logorithim is it's very cool to see a physical manifestation of these concepts
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Jul 20, 2020 02:13
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twistedmentat posted:Lots of kids get into Nazi poo poo, because it's so childish.
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Jul 20, 2020 02:20
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Jestery posted:
oh hell yeah this is the stuff right here.
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Jul 20, 2020 02:21
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twistedmentat posted:WW2 always lists its sources in the show notes, so you can check those on the episode about Prince Paul. Looking at the comments, a number of people in them say that his rehabilitation was done during the Yugoslavian civil war in the 90s so I'm not 100% convinced he was completely innocent, though i think the assessment he was in a damned if he did, damned if he didn't situation where there were no good choices. Though this is not my area of expertese. That's most about the workings of the Nazi state, plus its nearly 20 years any my memory is pretty hazy on even that. I did a big rear end undergrad paper on Nazi quislings in Eastern Europe, and from what I recall Teriyaki has it right here. Yugoslavia was freaking out, hoped it would keep the Nazis at bay. Probably it wouldn't. But they didn't sign onto the Axis pact in any other context then essentially extortion. It's not like one has to fight to look for fascist Yugoslavs during WW2 lol. So dunno why someone would fight so hard on this.
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The main draw I got from my research was that the Bulgarian tsar was the only one of the countries semi press ganged into the Axis who actually played Hitler rather than the other way around. But that was probably because his country was the farthest one out. Meanwhile the dumb idiot fucknut admiral in charge of Hungary was played hard as hell. Completely Lando Calrissianed by Hitler's Vader just changing their deal every two seconds with him sitting there like "durrr i thought we were equals,.... yes sir, no sir, sorry sir" romania was loving crazy, both bucked hitler but were also super awful fash (coulda been worse though) utashi croatia were monsters who cared way more about killing serbs than jews rump yugoslavia was run by a pathetic loser fash who wanted to be a monster but his state was the most completely puppetized of the Balkans so he had very little power slovakia was boirng and i dont remember much, they weren't super evil or sympathetic, just kinda a sad little nazi puppet state
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There's some documents that prove the 109 is the best climbing plane in the world. Because Goring wanted to say the Germans had the bestest planes, so the Luftwaffe got a supedup 109, gave a once over and then dived the plane from 20,000 feet to a low altitude and then were pleased to report, that yes, the 109 IS the best climber in the world (when you cheat). I strongly suspect a lot of the German weapons were reported like that. At the battle of Stalingrad, the Germans had a Panzer division in reserve. When the Soviet counter attack started, 109 of their tanks were disabled...because they'd been placed in straw over the winter and Soviet mice had eaten through all the electrical wiring. Those mice probably helped change history.
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Jul 20, 2020 03:38
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buglord posted:For what its worth, a lot of popular media out there tends to paint the Third Reich as some super state with super advanced armor with meticulously vetted and rigorously trained men. I watched a lot of History/Discovery Channel growing up, and they certainly give way more airtime to "look at this impenetrable tank" over " this tank was used to defend a country with genocidal policy". Me being brown made that weird mainstream fascination of nazis even weirder. It's also why I don't play the Germans in any WW2 themed game if I have to: if they win, I lose. Yea, trying to make villains who seem unstoppable means you turn the Nazis from being a bunch of idiots who managed be successful for 2 years, to being high tech supermen. One of the reasons i like the new Wolfenstien games is they don't ignore the horrible aspects of Nazism and its part of the story that if these guys won, it would be bad for everyone. I love the scene in the second one where some SS guy is talking to Klansmen and they try to speak German and the Nazi gets pissed off that these brain dead hicks are murdering his beautiful language. Plus Nazism is all pageantry, and kids really get into that kind of stuff. Also weird nerds, now or in 1920s Germany.
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Grape posted:I did a big rear end undergrad paper on Nazi quislings in Eastern Europe, and from what I recall Teriyaki has it right here. Also Prince Paul and his government were conferencing with British and American officials right up to signing the Pact begging them for some kind of plan or guarantee or something other than just throwing Yugoslavia on the loving fire like what happened with Poland. They got nothing. He literally said to the American ambassador quote:You big nations are hard. You talk of honor, but you are far away. I know a lot more and have a lot more opinions about WW2 than just Yugoslav politics of 1941. I'm currently rereading Shattered Sword for the second time and goddamn it's so good
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If Russia was the motherland and Germany was the fatherland, what about the brotherland and sisterland or even the babyland???
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Babyland is Poland because it suffered as a result of mommyland and daddyland fighting over who takes weekend custody of it 
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It's hosed up when you're from a country the Nazis invaded and occupied and read about the extent of collaboration. It was more common than you'd think! One of the simplest ways was just letting the Nazis hire you to build stuff for them. Local police also helped them round up Jews. One guy from my hometown who ran a shop before I was born had actually fought for the Nazis on the eastern front.
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Jul 20, 2020 04:44
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Also Prince Paul and his government were conferencing with British and American officials right up to signing the Pact begging them for some kind of plan or guarantee or something other than just throwing Yugoslavia on the loving fire like what happened with Poland. They got nothing. He literally said to the American ambassador It's amazing he ever managed to go on to produce the first three De La Soul albums so well.
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Jul 20, 2020 04:45
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Thinking extremely hard about a Nazi shooting his own dick off with a badly made belt buckle gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZhHW3JhGDE
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Grevling posted:It's hosed up when you're from a country the Nazis invaded and occupied and read about the extent of collaboration. It was more common than you'd think! One of the simplest ways was just letting the Nazis hire you to build stuff for them. Local police also helped them round up Jews. One guy from my hometown who ran a shop before I was born had actually fought for the Nazis on the eastern front. Are you in The Netherlands? They were really up there when it came to collaboration.
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Jul 20, 2020 04:50
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Imagine a nazi slowly sticking his head up out of a trench or bushes like a loving stupid idiot deer flicking its big dumb ears and chewing its cud as the nazi slowly looks around from side by side very rarely blinking before getting his head blown clean off from a mosin nagant at 300 meters away and his head lands comically inside a 55 gallon drum barrel full of synthetic machine lubricant
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Never forget the sacrifice Italy made for us all, by being so insanely incompetent that Hitler had to intervene and help them conquer a weak lovely third world poohole (Greece), delaying the German offensive on the USSR. Taking precious non-winter months away from the Nazis and contributing to their crushing defeat. All thanks to Italians sucking.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Are you in The Netherlands? They were really up there when it came to collaboration. Norway but we weren't so great either.
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I've always wanted to read more on Turkey during WW2. As far as I can tell Hitler never had plans for them, mainly because they weren't necessary to conquer in order to make Fortress Europe against the west Allies. They seemed to spend the whole war just staring westward like  , until near the end where they did the usual diplomatic dogpile on Germany.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Also Prince Paul and his government were conferencing with British and American officials right up to signing the Pact begging them for some kind of plan or guarantee or something other than just throwing Yugoslavia on the loving fire like what happened with Poland. They got nothing. He literally said to the American ambassador Seconding recommendation for Shattered Sword. It was fascinating to learn about how the Japanese tendency to favor specialization meant they had an excellent fire fighting team on their carriers. When said team got wiped out, this led to a lot of uncontrollable fires and burned out husks. Max Hastings is another great WWII author, especially regarding different mentalities to the war. He had a quote about how if England were invaded they’d fight hard to keep London, but would surrender before eating their dead. It was a different war in the east.
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There is no realistic scenario where Germany successfully invades England.
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No you're wrong. There is.
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germany should have unleashed their mighty zeppelin fleet upon perfidious albion
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Grevling posted:It's hosed up when you're from a country the Nazis invaded and occupied and read about the extent of collaboration. It was more common than you'd think! One of the simplest ways was just letting the Nazis hire you to build stuff for them. Local police also helped them round up Jews. One guy from my hometown who ran a shop before I was born had actually fought for the Nazis on the eastern front. Cops will always be cops. But ya collaboration was really rampant but people had multiple reasons for doing it. There were those that thought the nazis were swell and therefor were more than happy to round up jews or denounce their neighbors. Then there are those that saw opportunities to make money from it, though that could include people who legitimately just needed to run a business to keep their family from being homeless, but then there were those who saw it as an opportunity to get rich off them. I read a good book on the collaborations in France and it was interesting how many, after the war saying "I wish i could have poisoned every crepe i sold to the germans, but I knew if even one reserve cook got indigestion from one, my life and my families life was forfet." It was really good about how terrifying life under the Germans was in France, and that caused people to lick boot more than they wanted to do. Partisans and Resistance fighters did try to make a distinction between people who were willing and those who were unwilling, but it was not always possible. Though what is way more scary is those that couldn't wait for the Germans to show up to get down on all fours. There are stories that in the Ukraine, before Germans got to a town they had already rounded up all the local Jews ready to give over to the Germans to dispose of. Funky See Funky Do posted:No you're wrong. There is. I mean, if Odin showed up and spirited the German army across the rainbow bridge maybe. Germany never was close to having air superiority over England and never developed decent landing craft. A German pilot who got shot down over England was a prisoner, a British pilot could be back in the cockpit within a few hours if he wasn't too seriously injured. Plus Hitler was not interested in England anymore, was more interested in Russia. Did you know HG Wells was at the top of the list of people the Germans would find and execute if they did invade? Guess Island of Dr Moreau was too much for Hitler.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Are you in The Netherlands? They were really up there when it came to collaboration. My university campus in the Netherlands is located on the expropriated estate of a collaborator.  Though it later came out he also had Jews hiding in the farmhouses on the estate, likely with his knowledge. He also was completely dominated by his tyrant mother until her death. People are weird.Edit; the park next to the campus, where I go running, is the old estate of his neighbour who died in Neuengamm concentration camp because he refused to collaborate. Lot of history around here most people never think about. AlexanderCA fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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twistedmentat posted:I mean, if Odin showed up and spirited the German army across the rainbow bridge maybe. Germany never was close to having air superiority over England and never developed decent landing craft. A German pilot who got shot down over England was a prisoner, a British pilot could be back in the cockpit within a few hours if he wasn't too seriously injured. Plus Hitler was not interested in England anymore, was more interested in Russia. This isn't true either. The Germans had 12 times as many planes and 20 times as many pilots as the British did. They were more than happy to lose pilots in British airspace because looking after them became a huge burden on the British. By 1943 at least 7% of Britain's GDP was being spent looking after German POWs. Also I have no idea where you got the idea that the Germans wanted to kill HG Wells given that he died in 1928.
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buglord posted:For what its worth, a lot of popular media out there tends to paint the Third Reich as some super state with super advanced armor with meticulously vetted and rigorously trained men. I watched a lot of History/Discovery Channel growing up, and they certainly give way more airtime to "look at this impenetrable tank" over " this tank was used to defend a country with genocidal policy". Me being brown made that weird mainstream fascination of nazis even weirder. It's also why I don't play the Germans in any WW2 themed game if I have to: if they win, I lose. if you play video games you are already a loser
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The brits did nothing but gently caress up for the entire war
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Zzulu posted:The brits did nothing but gently caress up for the entire war Dunkirk was kind of cool though. And didn’t they hold their own for awhile in North Africa?
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cnice posted:Dunkirk was kind of cool though. And didn’t they hold their own for awhile in North Africa? not on their own, the colonials did most of the work
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There was a thread about WW2 I think here on SA where someone was discussing the terrible industrial planning of the Germans. The example was the Luftwaffe, where there were something like 27 different machine guns used across the fleet, and even guns of the same calibre sometimes required different ammo. This was compared to the US, where across the Army and Air Force (and probably Navy and Marines) there were two calibres with standard ammo: .30 and .50 - allowing for much greater efficiency in production, maintenance, supply etc. The German industrial war machine was splintered and competitive, leading to a lot of inefficiency.
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therattle posted:There was a thread about WW2 I think here on SA where someone was discussing the terrible industrial planning of the Germans. The example was the Luftwaffe, where there were something like 27 different machine guns used across the fleet, and even guns of the same calibre sometimes required different ammo. This was compared to the US, where across the Army and Air Force (and probably Navy and Marines) there were two calibres with standard ammo: .30 and .50 - allowing for much greater efficiency in production, maintenance, supply etc. The German industrial war machine was splintered and competitive, leading to a lot of inefficiency. Theres another set of posts that goes into the uniforms and it is absolutely fascinating
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FooF posted:It wasn't until the dropping Firebombing of Tokyo (which killed more people and demoralized the populace as much as, if not more than, the atomic bombs) that Japan began considering surrender. My undergrad professor was also adamant that the Japanese surrendered only because Russia entered the war against them. The Japanese also stereotyped the Russians and absolutely did not want them invading the mainland. I watched a Netflix documentary about WW2 and they were saying that the bomb did have much influence on the Japanese leadership to surrender to the American. It was when the Russian tried to invade them that they choose what they saw as the lesser of two evil. Bleusilences fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Also I have no idea where you got the idea that the Germans wanted to kill HG Wells given that he died in 1928. He died in 1946.
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George H.W. oval office posted:Theres another set of posts that goes into the uniforms and it is absolutely fascinating The uniform break down was amazing and one of the best things I've read on this forum and just makes you lol at Nazis even more
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Funky See Funky Do posted:
Yea, but they were saving planes for Barbarossa even then. The Germans never committed their full power against Britain, becuase he was more focused on the USSR. Wells died in 1946.
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World War 3 will be streamed live on Twitch
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PewdiePie will make reaction videos when New York gets nuked
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twistedmentat posted:Yea, but they were saving planes for Barbarossa even then. The Germans never committed their full power against Britain, becuase he was more focused on the USSR. Yeah, Hitler really only wanted to have Britain capitulate to Germany in order to show German dominance, I don't think he had any real desire to occupy it.
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