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Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
Skylar did nothing wrong.

Edmund Sparkler posted:

Yeah, there are so many safeguards in place in the modern era to make it nearly impossible for that to happen, especially the way it did. I didn't let it ruin my enjoyment of the show, though.
It was less the mechanics of the accident and more all the coincidences to make it happen and somehow make the insane butterfly effect chain of events Walt's fault, starting right down from the really artificial coincidence of Walt just happening to be there the moment he could save Jane so he can make the choice not to. It felt like a really artificial way to make Walt the bad guy which was wholly unnecessary because there were plentiful better ways in which the show demonstrated that Walt is the bad guy.

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hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

Saalkin posted:

I have never heard anyone outside of two goons say this.

It's also a very wrong statement

yeah the show hooked me right from the jump, episode 1. s1 and s2 are great, s3 is a bit of a lull and probably the worst season overall, the show picks back up halfway through s4 and fake climaxes with what seems like an ending at the end of s4, starts slow with s5 part 1 and rips to an exciting and satisfying finish in s5 part 2

Saalkin
Jun 29, 2008

Elukka posted:

Skylar did nothing wrong.

It was less the mechanics of the accident and more all the coincidences to make it happen and somehow make the insane butterfly effect chain of events Walt's fault, starting right down from the really artificial coincidence of Walt just happening to be there the moment he could save Jane so he can make the choice not to. It felt like a really artificial way to make Walt the bad guy which was wholly unnecessary because there were plentiful better ways in which the show demonstrated that Walt is the bad guy.

The whole Jane death bit has a lot of neat stuff surrounding it from behind the scenes.

Like it was written at first to have Walt physically flip her into position where she'd chock instead of just doing nothing to help her. And Mike being introduced because bob odenkirk couldn't make it to set that day so they made a new character to be the cleaner.

PhysicsFrenzy
May 30, 2011

this, too, is physics

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

the fly episode was so loving bad, i already felt like s3 had become formulaic and loaded with filler, but then i watched the fly episode and i was so loving pissed off lol. i almost quit the show then and there. glad i didn't but ugh man

I also just watched BB for the first time and that was probably my favorite episode lol

Anyway breaking bad rules and now I'm watching Saul and it rules even more so far

STABASS
Apr 18, 2009

Fun Shoe
skyler couldn't tell the difference between raisin bran and raisin bran crunch and goons STILL defend her

Saalkin
Jun 29, 2008

STABASS posted:

skyler couldn't tell the difference between raisin bran and raisin bran crunch and goons STILL defend her

I think Walt Jr. complains about the horrible cereal choices and that is when he truly became the best character

BAGS FLY AT NOON
Apr 6, 2011

A Soft Nylon Bag
Walt Jr sucks poo poo I hate him

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I02BxxD2M0E

the weird blatant advert where walt buys him and flynn new cars was pretty out of place, but it was a banger of a song choice

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017
I still think Mike needs his own show.

I will die on this hill

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

Rad-daddio posted:

I still think Mike needs his own show.

I will die on this hill

BCS is as much about Saul as it is Mike.

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017

Panic! At The Tesco posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I02BxxD2M0E

the weird blatant advert where walt buys him and flynn new cars was pretty out of place, but it was a banger of a song choice

that was really common for those years of TV

Everyone was experimenting with product placement, especially cars, and they were bad at hiding it. I think streaming and DVR ad skipping were finally starting to cut into their budgets.

Modern Family even had an episode where they talked about the lane control features and great gas mileage in their new Toyota Prius.

not to mention however many episodes of Cougar Town were just blatant adverts for Target.

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Rad-daddio posted:

I still think Mike needs his own show.

I will die on this hill

nah

BAGS FLY AT NOON
Apr 6, 2011

A Soft Nylon Bag
Breaking Bad was responsible for Pontiac selling upwards of 5 Aztecs

Saalkin
Jun 29, 2008

Rad-daddio posted:

I still think Mike needs his own show.

I will die on this hill

He's one of the best characters but he's also like 100 years old. He was looking rough in better call Saul and I don't think you could justify recasting.

But also a prequel series about Mike but just using current day Jonathan Banks would be lol

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


I thought the ending of BCS was great. I didn't like it at first but after thinking about it it grew on me. Saul had, once again, distorted reality into his favor and it looked like that, once again, he was going to skate. He realized what a monster he had become and the damage he was doing to everyone and everything around him. He was tired of running from his past and saw how many things were building up behind him and didn't know how much longer he could run. He knew he couldn't fundamentally change who he was. No matter how much he ran and tried to live straight he'd never be able to do it. He'd always be Slippin' Jimmy.

So he decided to go out with a bang, similar to the ending of BB but morally opposite. He waited until it was guaranteed that he was going to walk, just to demonstrate one last time that he had the court wrapped around his finger. That's when he decided to stand up and burn it all down. To prove, probably to himself more than anyone else, that he was the one who was truly in control of the situation and that it was his choice. No one else's.

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


Saalkin posted:


But also a prequel series about Mike but just using current day Jonathan Banks would be lol

set it back when he was a new fresh faced young cop, like in his early 20's or something. but no de-aging tech or make up, just current day jonathan banks lol

Larry Cum Free
Jun 3, 2022

move it or lose it dillweed

PIZZA.BAT posted:

So he decided to go out with a bang, similar to the ending of BB but morally opposite. He waited until it was guaranteed that he was going to walk, just to demonstrate one last time that he had the court wrapped around his finger. That's when he decided to stand up and burn it all down. To prove, probably to himself more than anyone else, that he was the one who was truly in control of the situation and that it was his choice. No one else's.

No, it was just to gently caress over that dumb former prosecutor lawyer.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

Better Call Saul was also great because of Kim Wexler. She was such a cool and likeable character who was acted so well by Rhea Seahorn. It was almost like he saw all the criticism he had for making all of the ladies in Breaking Bad unlikeable foils that exist to try and stop the main characters from being cool dudes and wrote her to be really fun with great chemistry with Jimmy.

ElectricSheep
Jan 14, 2006

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

Panic! At The Tesco posted:

set it back when he was a new fresh faced young cop, like in his early 20's or something. but no de-aging tech or make up, just current day jonathan banks lol

*veteran cop* drat it rookie, you can't just go around the regs. you're young and soft, this life hasn't beat you down inch by inch yet!!

*jonathan banks sneers*

Saalkin
Jun 29, 2008

Caesar Saladin posted:

Better Call Saul was also great because of Kim Wexler. She was such a cool and likeable character who was acted so well by Rhea Seahorn. It was almost like he saw all the criticism he had for making all of the ladies in Breaking Bad unlikeable foils that exist to try and stop the main characters from being cool dudes and wrote her to be really fun with great chemistry with Jimmy.

Kim is maybe the best written lady character in a show of all time. Also rhea is amazing and I'm in love with her

AcidCat
Feb 10, 2005

Panic! At The Tesco posted:

set it back when he was a new fresh faced young cop, like in his early 20's or something. but no de-aging tech or make up, just current day jonathan banks lol

loving lmao

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017
Mike's character was great in how he just didn't give a gently caress about anything, and he also had all this specific underworld know how.

Didn't he have to find the engineers who made the underground drug lab?

Saalkin
Jun 29, 2008

Rad-daddio posted:

Mike's character was great in how he just didn't give a gently caress about anything,

Did you even watch the show?

ChairmanMauzer
Dec 30, 2004

It wears a human face.

Saalkin posted:

He's one of the best characters but he's also like 100 years old. He was looking rough in better call Saul and I don't think you could justify recasting.

But also a prequel series about Mike but just using current day Jonathan Banks would be lol

They could just explain it by saying he has Benjamin Button disease. It must run in the family because his granddaughter also ages in reverse, too.

Edmund Sparkler
Jul 4, 2003
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are peris

My partner and I just watched 48 Hours and Beverly Hills Cop back to back and it was a treat to see Jonathan Banks play a cop and a henchman in two different 80s Eddie Murphy movies.

ChairmanMauzer
Dec 30, 2004

It wears a human face.
He's in Airplane, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7jtcCERJYE

Gomez Chamberlain
Mar 22, 2005

Subakh ul kuhar!

Wow that's totally him and the other posters above are right, get on that Ehrmantrout spinoff before his face fully puddles on the ground.

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017

Saalkin posted:

Did you even watch the show?

I mean, in season 7 when he pilots that blimp I felt the show had jumped the shark a little.

...and don't even get me started on the talking dogs.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

better call saul has too many episodes for a spinoff and i shan't be watching until years after it's doen for sure

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

better call saul has too many episodes for a spinoff and i shan't be watching until years after it's doen for sure

no it's good you should watch it.

Saalkin
Jun 29, 2008

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

better call saul has too many episodes for a spinoff and i shan't be watching until years after it's doen for sure

It's the best spin off of all time and in the running for one of the best shows as well.

You just watched bb so it's fresh I'd watch it soon

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

The issue isn't that people incorrectly think Walter White is a genius because it's clear that he is a chemistry genius, it's that half the people that watched the show think that he's supposed to be a criminal mastermind badass when, as another goon said, he's actually just Mr. Magooing his way through the drug cartel world and keeps getting lucky, which inflates his ego. The "I am the one who knocks!" scene isn't meant to make you go "wow, what a badass", but rather make you reflect on how delusional he has become.

yeah, he basicaly gets lucky that fring cleaned the board for him and pissed off enough people that no one cared when he became two face.


Rad-daddio posted:

Mike's character was great in how he just didn't give a gently caress about anything, and he also had all this specific underworld know how.

Didn't he have to find the engineers who made the underground drug lab?

yeah, mike is great. he is burned cop who broke and basicaly decided to work for the other side. he is ruthless psycho but only when he needs to be. also he badass monolouges actually carry weight because you know he did that poo poo.

ChairmanMauzer
Dec 30, 2004

It wears a human face.

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

better call saul has too many episodes for a spinoff and i shan't be watching until years after it's doen for sure

Saul is already finished it’s run and it’s a better show than BB in a lot of ways.

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

better call saul has too many episodes for a spinoff and i shan't be watching until years after it's doen for sure

It's a prequel series, not a spinoff

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

The issue isn't that people incorrectly think Walter White is a genius because it's clear that he is a chemistry genius, it's that half the people that watched the show think that he's supposed to be a criminal mastermind badass when, as another goon said, he's actually just Mr. Magooing his way through the drug cartel world and keeps getting lucky, which inflates his ego. The "I am the one who knocks!" scene isn't meant to make you go "wow, what a badass", but rather make you reflect on how delusional he has become.

Yeah, he’s way out of his element in the criminal world. They also give you a pretty good clue early on just how egotistical he is during a flashback where he proudly describes how he can use chemistry to quantify God. A guy that far up his own rear end, raring to go after decades of living below his perceived station, is definitely going to fool morons and junkies into thinking he’s a all around mastermind with sheer bluster. Guys like Fring see him for what he really is; a potentially valuable, but unstable, specialist suffering delusions of grandeur.

Dr.D-O
Jan 3, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

The issue isn't that people incorrectly think Walter White is a genius because it's clear that he is a chemistry genius, it's that half the people that watched the show think that he's supposed to be a criminal mastermind badass when, as another goon said, he's actually just Mr. Magooing his way through the drug cartel world and keeps getting lucky, which inflates his ego. The "I am the one who knocks!" scene isn't meant to make you go "wow, what a badass", but rather make you reflect on how delusional he has become.

That is precisely my point, thank you.

The show is about a middle-aged man having a mid-life crisis and letting it harm everyone around him.

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017
I forgot why Gus didn't just have the other chill dude who drove the Subaru keep making the meth.

I was hoping they would touch on that guy more in BCS, but they didn't mention him at all iirc.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

Dapper_Swindler posted:


yeah, mike is great. he is burned cop who broke and basicaly decided to work for the other side. he is ruthless psycho but only when he needs to be. also he badass monolouges actually carry weight because you know he did that poo poo.

My favorite part of his back story is when he's buying that sniper rifle, and the conversation about a wood vs. a manufactured stock showing that Mike used to be in the military, probably serving during Vietnam.

Dr.D-O
Jan 3, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Rad-daddio posted:


I was hoping they would touch on that guy more in BCS, but they didn't mention him at all iirc.

Gale does a cameo at least once.

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hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

Rad-daddio posted:

I forgot why Gus didn't just have the other chill dude who drove the Subaru keep making the meth.

I was hoping they would touch on that guy more in BCS, but they didn't mention him at all iirc.

gale? jesse clipped him in the finale of 3 i think it was

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