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HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

very smart move this will definitely end the protests

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Nonsense posted:

USC cancelled graduation lol

lol

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

HallelujahLee posted:

very smart move this will definitely end the protests

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
man they named the Streisand effect like twenty drat years ago or something and the ruling class just didn't learn a drat thing

if they just ignored the protests in the first place none of the other campuses would have even joined in and it'd be over by now but they sent in a bunch of idiot cops to escalate it nationwide lol

i guess it's better to have the news focusing on domestic discontent rather than genocide though since you can just report on them without actually talking about what they're mad about

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Flournival Dixon posted:

i guess it's better to have the news focusing on domestic discontent rather than genocide though since you can just report on them without actually talking about what they're mad about

this is what differentiates this from BLM. there is no complex web of interconnected systems and mechanisms to untangle. the protestors all want to stop the genocide. you don't have 1 million competing groups like OWS, and you don't have to explain what prison abolition actually entails, or how defund the police does not mean wanting pure anarchy, etc.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

dead gay comedy forums posted:

seen that thrown around elsewhere, but have you heard about material conditions



Kent State was in 1970. This is 2024. There are no available industrial jobs that trained you (I mean specifically you Americans), paid well from the start and allowed for a confirmed substantial improvement of the standard of living upon retirement.

What's so wild about this groundswell of protests is that most American students have no skin in the game. There's no a personal stake. What that tells me is that the US is a powder keg waiting for a flame.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

as cynical about human nature as i can be, most people do not actually want to support a genocide. they will go to great lengths to avoid thinking about it, avoid realizing they are implicated, etc, but most people can grasp this is hosed up.

We are seeing young people choosing not to sit idly by and accept it. These are kids who are correctly seeing this for what it is, and the overdone response is only confirming it for others. I hope this starts a movement.

i know my hope is likely unfounded and blah blah blah, gently caress it, support these kids.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

my_custom_username posted:

₽aSSific Nazi₩£st

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Grapplejack posted:

Read seattlers

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
Canceling graduation is insane. I sure hope zoomers learn the right things from how hotshit garbage they've been treated their whole lives by the government

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

Danger posted:

The campus poo poo is really heartening and all but what I'm really stoked for is watching as this thread breaks the mega- barrier and becomes insular around a specific set of posters whose outsize time spent posting creates some sort of celebrity microcosm and feeds into a spiral of real life derangement that ends up with a multitude of posters defending a thread superstar for like braining a cavapoo with a brick.

I don't know what any of this means and I'm glad of that

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

WoodrowSkillson posted:

as cynical about human nature as i can be, most people do not actually want to support a genocide.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

https://x.com/christapeterso/status/1783296022598570127

Sending the police in on these kids is the dumbest thing to do but it happens I guess unless the answer to all these are No:
Is the university president a Zionist (or a coward/moron just aping the other responses)?
Are there Zionists on the board to force the President’s hand?
Is it a state school with a coward/Zionist governor?
Are there Zionist donors to threaten to withhold millions?
Is the Zionist media going to put your school under the skewed microscope of phony antisemitism?

So then they all end up doing the dumb thing

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Nonsense posted:

USC cancelled graduation lol

Hahaha oh my God

Yeah that's definitely going to help calm things down

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

youcallthatatwist posted:

From the perspective of someone who's actually been in and around them, the protest groups are extremely anti-liberalism and anti-capitalism. We can argue about how effective that rhetoric is, but mass media is never going to give you a clear depiction of the students' positions.

For those snickering from the peanut gallery, keep in mind that of the 20 or so schools with encampments, only 3 are ivy leagues - Cal Poly Humboldt, of the water jug boinking fame, is like the opposite of an ivy league - and even at places like Columbia the protests aren't being driven by the richest and whitest students, who broadly don't give a poo poo. Many of the organizers are themselves Palestinian.

I have no illusions that these movements will affect public policy, nor that they're as radical as something like the Black Panthers, but also, that radicalism doesn't get born overnight - you don't get something like a general strike by a mass of randos waking up in the morning and thinking "huh, a general strike sounds fun." I think it's a fine plan to build momentum in that direction via increasingly confrontational direct actions, as has now literally been achieved with the Texas professors going on strike. Doomerism about how nothing matters ever in the metropole is a thousand times more useless to any cause you claim to advance.

I'll eat a probe for this if needed, it's just been annoying the poo poo out of me.

I take umbrage at my posts being characterized as doomerism. I have specifically pointed to the utility of these protests in building a movement. However it is useful to examine past events to shape your current actions. It is also useful to recognize the limits that certain types of actions can achieve.

Perhaps you could expand on how these protests are anti-liberalism and anti-capitalism.

youcallthatatwist posted:

This is a lot of words about a lot of things, but no evidence that the students have no politics beyond moral objections.

In case you'd like to see some of the chatter on the ground, and aren't just assuming that only dead gay comedy forum posters have the intellect needed to develop class consciousness, here's a report from the students who took a building:

https://es.crimethinc.com/2024/04/23/report-from-within-the-cal-poly-humboldt-occupation-the-occupation-of-siemens-hall#further-resources

The only politics I can find in this is anarchist claptrap about not needing to organize.

WoodrowSkillson posted:

The pigs beating the poo poo out of oneself or one's friends is an extremely quick way of radicalizing people and increasing support for ending the genocide in Palestine. i do not give a poo poo about the socialist revolution in the context of this thread and it does not matter. Anything that helps end the genocide is good.

DTA DTI Free Palestine, also ACAB

The socialist revolution or the significant degradation of the ability of the American state to project power in the region are the only things that will end the genocide. It did not begin on October the 8th. What you are describing is slowing the genocide down, which is a worthwhile goal in itself, but still a genocide.

strange feelings re Daisy posted:

College divestment was a major factor in ending the South African apartheid government. It started a chain reaction. These students don't need to start a socialist revolution to defund Israel. Student bodies are already beginning to pass divestment votes with large majorities, which is incredible because one year ago college BDS advocates were largely treated like pariahs.

Apples and oranges. South Africa was not one of the fundamental underpinnings of America's energy policy. I fear this battle, divesting American universities & businesses from Israel, will be much harder.

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Where I see these protests as being useful is in building solidarity between Americans and Palestinians. The fact there have been pro Hamas expressions is fantastic, rather than typical condemning both sides bullshit.

They are also useful for normalizing anti Israel sentiment within America. Particularly at the Ivy League schools, if these kids don't have their careers destroyed it potentially removes a major barrier to further opposition to zionism.

Lastly, and most importantly, is the potential for building a revolutionary movement. This is harder of course but probably necessary to end American support of Israel. It is hard to overstate the structural forces behind this support.


I think a good thought experiment is what sort of protests or mass movement would be required for America to stop giving Israel the bombs it is using in Gaza?

Griz
May 21, 2001


Cornell set up tents on the quad this morning and were ordered to disperse less than 3 hours later

deadline came and went with nothing happening besides more students showing up, and now admin says they're gonna suspend all the students and fire faculty who support them

https://ithacavoice.org/2024/04/cornell-students-raise-tents-joining-other-campus-gaza-protests-nationwide/

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Griz posted:

Cornell set up tents on the quad this morning and were ordered to disperse less than 3 hours later

deadline came and went with nothing happening besides more students showing up, and now admin says they're gonna suspend all the students and fire faculty who support them

https://ithacavoice.org/2024/04/cornell-students-raise-tents-joining-other-campus-gaza-protests-nationwide/

Every single university is choosing the worst way possible to handle these protests, it's incredible. I love it. Don't let the protests end.

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

its crazy how much violence and antisemitism happened in 3 hrs to force dispersal.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Grapplejack posted:

Read seattlers

Spoondick
Jun 9, 2000

the liberal establishment is complicit in genocide so the liberal establishment is suppressing protests about said genocide and conservatives are only going to complain about police not using enough violence

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

is this poo poo real are they really doing this
https://twitter.com/Liz_Andromeda/status/1783618711137505445
https://twitter.com/IUonStrike/status/1783620195581350102

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

^ jfc

https://twitter.com/PplsCityCouncil/status/1783517777502069205

Fuckt Tupp
Apr 19, 2007

Science
occupy! occupy! occupy!

students on campus: OCCUPY! OCCUPY! OCCUPY!

ghosts of the genocided slamming their chains: OCCUPY! OCCUPY! OCCUPY!

DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.

It’s 2020 again. Cops and their III%er friends hoping to shoot people.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

I mean the protesters keep getting called terrorists so what do expect from the pigs

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/4/23/harvard-psc-suspended/

Harvard Suspends Palestine Solidarity Committee Amid Wave of Protests on College Campuses

e: ^^^

what the gently caress are they doing :stare::stare::stare:

Teriyaki Koinku has issued a correction as of 00:19 on Apr 26, 2024

Spoondick
Jun 9, 2000

snipers are conducive to a safe and productive learning environment

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

i was wondering where all the gip posters had gone

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
lmao at the liberal establishment making GBS threads their pants panicking because people think genocide is bad

hadji murad
Apr 18, 2006
when i grow up im going to sniper university!

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

spacemang_spliff posted:

lmao at the liberal establishment making GBS threads their pants panicking because people think genocide is bad

They're attacking the very foundation of the nation tbh

HermitSupplier
Sep 19, 2023
I recall someone in the P/I thread was asking for a compiled list of bail funds for the campus protests, apologies if this was already posted and I somehow missed it

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1783544459080368369

https://campusbailfunds.com/

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

hadji murad posted:

when i grow up im going to sniper university!
go longhorns!

Noise Complaint
Sep 27, 2004

Who could be scared of a Jeffrey?

HermitSupplier posted:

I recall someone in the P/I thread was asking for a compiled list of bail funds for the campus protests, apologies if this was already posted and I somehow missed it

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1783544459080368369

https://campusbailfunds.com/

thanks, appreciate it!

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

HermitSupplier posted:

I recall someone in the P/I thread was asking for a compiled list of bail funds for the campus protests, apologies if this was already posted and I somehow missed it

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1783544459080368369

https://campusbailfunds.com/

Aren't these illegal a lot of states because of ongoing fascism?

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

ikanreed posted:

Aren't these illegal a lot of states because of ongoing fascism?

Depends on the state but it will probably get you on a list either way

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Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

https://x.com/_JustinOConnor/status/1783226022399250768

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