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Xachariah posted:Interesting, does this mean that Russian commanders are resorting to bureaucratic fraud to make themselves look better to their commanders with regards to official figures? I thought this was already obvious with the “force new conscripts to sign ‘contracts’ to cover for the fact we don’t actually have the ‘contract’ soldiers we’ve been reporting we have to Moscow.”
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Between all these logistical fuckups and morale issues on the Russian side with just the initial invasion it's like, even if they do take and occupy all of Ukraine, this is the country that thinks it's going to be able to deal with a massive, well funded insurgency in a country larger and more populous than Iraq? It doesn't, apparently. If this article is correct, all the experts in Russia itself were just as flabbergasted as everyone else, exactly because they understood the consequences. https://russiancouncil.ru/analytics...ukrainoy/#short
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Xachariah posted:Interesting, does this mean that Russian commanders are resorting to bureaucratic fraud to make themselves look better to their commanders with regards to official figures? Resorting? The bureaucratic fraud is the way of life in Russian armed forces and law enforcement. The good stats in a report sent upwards are the most important thing.
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In latest HOI4 expansion there’s a literal “send in forged production reports to make Stalin a teeny bit less crazy for awhile” button so yeah, long Russian tradition.
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fatherboxx posted:Resorting? The bureaucratic fraud is the way of life in Russian armed forces and law enforcement. The good stats in a report sent upwards are the most important thing. And that's why you sometimes could see staggering difference between "paper strength" and actual numbers for most Warsaw Pact forces. Nice that Russia kept the tradition going.
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Pablo Bluth posted:Reports of a sunken Estonian-owned cargo ship . If to be believed, it was under Russian Navy control and being used as a shield for landing. FishBulbia posted:It seems like it hit a mine, idk how thats proof their using it for a naval landing quote:https://gcaptain.com/russia-used-civilian-ship-as-a-human-shield/ Local Estonian news is reporting that 2 crew members are on a rescue boat but 4 are missing. e: https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1499380122746560514 Angryhead fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Ola posted:The Su-24 is definitely a ground attack aircraft, but it could very well be lacking in equipment or training to conduct such attacks up to a modern standard. More likely it's dropping dumb bombs with radar computed bomb aiming, which is 70s, 80s tech. I'm not sure how well equipped the Ukrainian Su-24s are, but it should be capable of hitting vehicle concentrations pretty well, if not with the pinpoint tankbusting of a Javelin or an airborne laser-/TV-guided missile like the Su-24 could carry in the best case. Yes, that was his point too. It could drop some dumb bombs, but risking these planes to here and there take out a couple of vehicles in a 70k (forgot the actual length), isn’t gonna make enough of a difference.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:the least important possible question: Russian alliances are struggling with paying for subs, but AFAIK they can still log in.
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loving hell. Reporter was speaking with a doctor in Cherniv on the phone when they were inturrupted by airstrikes. Audio only, but  for sounds of airstrikes. The doctor speaking is okay.https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1499369496049561604?t=Hv1GVoXi8h93-VHblLu7lw&s=19 Translation from the speaker: 
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Kazakhstan firmly breaking with Russia with regard to the war. Previous reporting of their neutrality seems to have been over stated https://twitter.com/SebaGobert/status/1499380636150218752?t=cNkpdO5IQYh0QPrwvv5OgA&s=19 article link
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:the least important possible question: Honestly this is actually an interesting dimension. Video games are a small but significant point of interaction between young online Russians and the rest of the world. The DOTA community has a large centre of gravity across Russia/Ukraine and there's tension there. World of tanks sacked it's creative director for being pro-invasion (note that Wargaming is a Belarus based company! - although like Gaijin it's officially headquartered in Cyprus), War Thunder disabled chat in game late last week to try to get clear of any drama bombs.
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Xachariah posted:Interesting, does this mean that Russian commanders are resorting to bureaucratic fraud to make themselves look better to their commanders with regards to official figures? Probably. That happened a ton when the Chechen war was going on. Lots of “ghost units”
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KitConstantine posted:Kazakhstan firmly breaking with Russia with regard to the war. Previous reporting of their neutrality seems to have been over stated My understanding was the whole mess in January was set up by Tokayev doing a mini-coup to clean up previous "forever leader" crew. I imagine he didn't really need any help from Kremlin, but also had absolutely no reason to refuse. If they want to secure important structures as stated in the defense deal then it's their thing..
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I feel like the range between the first bolded part and the second being so wide is what is making it feel so weird. Like both things are horrifying at a human level, but I always took not mind safe vomiting screaming emoji scrolling warnings as like, visceral horrifying rotton dot com type stuff. Using it literally as "thinking about this will make your mind sad" feels like it needs a different label than like, a photo of someones arm bones sticking out.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why wouldn’t they sign back dated documents if it meant going home? I’m just not sure what the implication is. Those documents, if signed, would allow authorities to pretend they were never involved in the operation, call them liars (with paperwork proof) if they open their mouth, likely get them sentenced if they persist, and, possibly may mean that paying them is rather optional since they had resigned before the conflict.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Does the president of Finland even have any power Not much. The president does mainly foreign policy, but most of that is done by the prime minister and other ministers. I would guess the president's "share" of foreign policy is less than half (number pulled completely out of my butt) So the president does represent the republic in various things like the UN and so on, but as I understand it he would formulate any actual policy with the prime minister first before he actually says anything. Maybe you could describe him as a glorified multi-country ambassador or something. Non-edit: I think it's legally somewhat ambiguous what the wording in the constitution means re: "president leads foreign policy, but together with prime minister" - so how exactly is the responsibility divided? It might depend on how much the president wants to literally lead vs. how much they actually can decide policy given various political pressures etc, but anyway this is a somewhat non-interesting derail WaltherFeng posted:Finland applying for Nato in any near future seems very short sighted, but our elected officials like to make panic course corrections when they feel threatened. This post is a good example of the attitudes towards NATO that many people in Finland have. "We don't need to join right now, so let's not bother." Well, when we do need to join, it may well be too late - that's exactly why we should join now, while it's still uncomplicated... The same exact thing happened before the second world war: Finland was neutral, and then once poo poo hit the fan we realised that 1) holding back Stalin's army by ourselves is not exactly easy and 2) nobody is willing to ally with you any longer once the drat invasion is on. And, if Finland had been in some kind of alliance, the invasion might not even have happened, due to the effect of deterrence! So my argument is that, on the one hand, NATO membership would be useful to Finland. On the other hand, what would be the downsides of NATO membership? Many people argue that in fact the USA regularly does bad things such as the invasion of Iraq, and as a member we'd be pulled into that. Well, to some extent that is true - but Iraq was not mandated by NATO, in fact, since Iraq never attacked the US, thus none of the NATO articles were applicable. It was more a "coalition of the willing" wasn't it. One can certainly argue that the Finnish government would rush to kiss USA's butt even in sordid bullshit operations like that, and yeah, they probably would. Nevertheless, I think NATO membership would still be a good trade on balance. Looking at what a maniac Putin is, as he's demonstrating right now, and thinking that we might be spared a full-scale invasion in which thousands die... and sure perhaps we would instead decide to send like 30 young people to some Operation hosed Up Bullshit in 2026, some of whom would die... I mean, think about it  e: anyway Finland's NATO membership is a bit of a derail so I'll probably stop talking about it now. But, it's now very obvious why Ukraine has wanted NATO membership for some time. Look at what happens when you're not a NATO member!
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WaltherFeng posted:Even then realistically that would mean war on multiple fronts and I don't see how that would ever work in Russia's favour. The current war is not working in Russia's favor, but that hasn't stopped Putin. If Finland joins NATO now, he can't really do much to stop it because he's too busy (short of a Nuclear attack, and everyone else is saying that won't happen). Finland's going to join, as it's the only reason Putin (if he won in Ukraine) wouldn't attack. He's a madman and the only question would be whether he would go for Moldova or Finland first.
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Alchenar posted:Honestly this is actually an interesting dimension. Video games are a small but significant point of interaction between young online Russians and the rest of the world. The DOTA community has a large centre of gravity across Russia/Ukraine and there's tension there. World of tanks sacked it's creative director for being pro-invasion (note that Wargaming is a Belarus based company! - although like Gaijin it's officially headquartered in Cyprus), War Thunder disabled chat in game late last week to try to get clear of any drama bombs. A funny consequence of World of Tanks being so popular is that there have been repeated leaks of classified technical specs and capabilities on the WoT forums because people with access to them had to prove that someone else (or the game designer) was wrong about their favorite tank.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I feel like the range between the first bolded part and the second being so wide is what is making it feel so weird. Like both things are horrifying at a human level, but I always took not mind safe vomiting screaming emoji scrolling warnings as like, visceral horrifying rotton dot com type stuff. Using it literally as "thinking about this will make your mind sad" feels like it needs a different label than like, a photo of someones arm bones sticking out. I would say that to those of us with friends or family in Ukraine, including very real posters here with family members in Kharkiv, Kyiv, and Chernihiv, to name a few, footage of rockets bombarding their hometown buildings does fall woefully short of the rather benign “thinking about this makes me sad”.
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Confirmation on counterattacks from the ground in Kyiv https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1499380878086127619?t=39wiyxNN7ZrjTjh1RRpuGg&s=19 Article link Also per the article Ukraine is saying those explosions last night were actually thermobarics. So that's neat quote:Budanov also told Military Times that the Russians have been using thermobaric weapons in the assault on Kharkiv and near Kyiv. 
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Sashimi posted:I've been keeping myself out of the loop for around the past 24h so I don't go mad from news fatigue, anything big happen in that time? Biggest combat update is the fall of first regional centre of Ukraine, Kherson. There has been a trickle of smaller news as well, but this should be the most impactful story.
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Shifty Pony posted:A funny consequence of World of Tanks being so popular is that there have been repeated leaks of classified technical specs and capabilities on the WoT forums because people with access to them had to prove that someone else (or the game designer) was wrong about their favorite tank. I thought that was War Thunder -same concept anyway.
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javi posted:https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1499381363010682881 "But why won't Ukraine just surrender and roll over? Why do they prolong this war and the suffering?" 
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Shifty Pony posted:A funny consequence of World of Tanks being so popular is that there have been repeated leaks of classified technical specs and capabilities on the WoT forums because people with access to them had to prove that someone else (or the game designer) was wrong about their favorite tank. That was War Thunder forum actually, although I don’t doubt that some Russian leaks have happened on WoT forums.
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alex314 posted:As far as I know WoT tops out at 1950' tech. I doubt there's any reason to keep T-54 specs secret. The way things are going we may end up seeing some in action.
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Comstar posted:If Finland joins NATO now, he can't really do much to stop it because he's too busy (short of a Nuclear attack, and everyone else is saying that won't happen). This is what pushed me off the fence at least, NATO-wise. If ever there was a time to send in the application, it is now.
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Plotac 75 posted:I thought that was War Thunder -same concept anyway. Ah yeah, got them mixed up.
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javi posted:https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1499381363010682881 Did they not realize that the protest is not going to be nonviolent? Need to go watch Kevin Costner's Robin Hood, that poo poo works out differently when everybody is armed
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Question for a superpower: should you hire your supply truck drivers for your invasion from Uzbek LinkedIn  https://twitter.com/Peter__Leonard/status/1499383489300504577?t=zdCq80ViTWsOfr5fTsUXDA&s=19 Edited for accuracy KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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KitConstantine posted:Troubling warnings about this for the last few hours too. Ominous timing as well with the negotiations in a few hours. Would be a good excuse to hold the Ukr reps in Belarus This kind of thing has been said repeatedly, and among the Belarusian (uh, revolution? Truthers? The white-red-white flag people) there were claims that Russian troops were going to dress up as Ukrainians and attack Belarusians to drag them into the war. Has any of that kind of thing happened, or is this all sensationalism?
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