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Wow I hope someone hands him a shovel and then asks him whether he thinks there was anything problematic about the way that went
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Nov 11, 2020 10:18
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Nov 11, 2020 13:03
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Nov 11, 2020 21:58
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Stop putting facts in the story.
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Nov 11, 2020 22:50
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JBP posted:Stop putting facts in the story. Doesn't change that one of the ousted council members was on TV on Monday calling out sexism E: Does fly in the face of the "changing... back" part.
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Nov 11, 2020 22:59
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The South Australian republic of LNP clowndonia has decided to be completely loving stupid on electric vehicles: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-11/sa-to-introduce-electric-vehicle-user-charge/12869302 quote:"Someone needs to pay for the road maintenance and upgrade, and it should be the people who are using the road," Mr Lucas argued. OK so by that logic heavy vehicles should be paying between 1000 and 10,000 times what a standard car is paying. Funny how the 'user pays' argument isn't applicable when it is being used on someone you like/support/take donations from. Electric vehicles are the future. Sensible government will be encouraging their use. Providing the infrastructure for them should be a priority and paid for by government (you know like the railways, roads and most public works). gently caress heads like Rob Lucas should be debagged, defenestrated and replaced. KMCN was a passenger in an allegedly stolen car that crossed onto the wrong side of the road and crashed head-on with another vehicle following an 11-minute police chase in Orelia, southern Perth. Her four-year-old nephew was in the back of the car. Police were cleared of any role in her death, and her partner, who had been driving the car, was sentenced to seven and a half years' jail for dangerous driving causing her death and grievous bodily harm to another. The state coroner, Ros Fogliani, blamed her death on the driver's methamphetamine usage. ISSUES RAISED Injured in custody.
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Nov 12, 2020 00:31
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Worst thing you can ever do in the eyes of the establishment is speak up about something that makes them look bad, especially if you're the victim of the practice. We had a bishop in Newcastle (I forget which denomination) speak up about how he was sexually assaulted as a young man by a prominent figure of the church who had been found to have sexually assaulted minors wherever he went and protected by his fellows, and so naturally the first thing a few other members of that community did was craft a big letter of rebuke against him for not speaking out at the time because they reasoned it would have prevented this figure from abusing more people later. Oh, and the poo poo that happened with Milton Orkopoulos and how the Labor Party treated the whistle-blower that outed him for his child-sex offenses.
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Nov 12, 2020 00:53
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Doesn't change that one of the ousted council members was on TV on Monday calling out sexism Yeah, that's what was concerning to me when I saw it. It's definitely good to see more female representation in such a traditionally male dominated profession, but tossing out a member who just stood up to the AG is not a good look. Also, in the next tweet: https://twitter.com/Milliganreports/status/1326474062697123842
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Nov 12, 2020 03:42
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Cartoon posted:The South Australian republic of LNP clowndonia has decided to be completely loving stupid on electric vehicles: Fuel excise pays a significant portion of road maintenance and does scale with vehicle mass and use Fuel excise collections will taper off as e-vehicles proliferate so it makes sense something has to change to include e-vehicles in the collections.
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Nov 12, 2020 07:00
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Yeah, that's what was concerning to me when I saw it. These votes don't happen overnight, there are people running multiple tickets and weeks of campaigning. Trying to imply that there is some connection between Foley's statement on Four Corners and the results of this vote is misleading at best.
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Nov 12, 2020 07:15
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eg this AFR article from last month: https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/moves-to-shift-dial-on-culture-exposes-divide-at-victorian-bar-20201013-p564id
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Nov 12, 2020 07:16
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This Milligan person's tweets are meaningless identity politics without actually looking into the circumstances and substance behind the change in regime, shamelessly exploiting the well intentioned beliefs of left leaning people on twitter for clicks. It sucks but alsoJBP posted:Stop putting facts in the story.
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Nov 12, 2020 07:18
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Fuel excise pays a significant portion of road maintenance and does scale with vehicle mass and use Fuel excise collections will taper off as e-vehicles proliferate so it makes sense something has to change to include e-vehicles in the collections. Also no one outside of Simon Hackett is going to be paying this because Electronic Car infrastructure in SA, much Like it's public transit system is laughable.
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Nov 12, 2020 07:46
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Fuel excise pays a significant portion of road maintenance and does scale with vehicle mass and use Fuel excise collections will taper off as e-vehicles proliferate so it makes sense something has to change to include e-vehicles in the collections. Fuel excise is collected by the Commonwealth and goes straight into general revenue. Any effect on road funding is entirely coincidental. The scaling for vehicle mass (through fuel excise) is ~ 10 times which is at least one hundredth of the reality of the road wear profile. Eventually green vehicles might be used as a revenue stream but until we reach zero emissions any disincentive on their use is muddle headed at best. TMM had a lengthy history of mental illness and alcohol dependency. He died as a result of cutting himself with a prison-issued razor blade.TMM had been assessed as being at low risk of suicide on entry to the prison on 7 November 2014 and was not placed on any observations regime, even as his mental health deteriorated. ISSUES RAISED Medical care required but not all given, procedures not all followed, injured in custody, mental health / cognitive impairment. Cartoon fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Nov 12, 2020 08:18
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Who should fund the infrastructure used by electric cars? Certainly not the wealthy people who buy them.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:05
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ili posted:Who should fund the infrastructure used by electric cars? Certainly not the wealthy people who buy them. Oh I don't disagree. It's just that this is a move by a poor State of retirees and health workers to raise revenue from an easy target. It's not to fund any sort of future plan or infrastructure to fight climate change. trunkh fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Nov 12, 2020 22:13
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I think it’s reasonable to eventually have a road use levy on EVs but not to enact it yet to give an incentive to converting 
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Nov 12, 2020 22:19
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ili posted:Who should fund the infrastructure used by electric cars? Certainly not the wealthy people who buy them. Yes only wealthy people can afford EVs, so let's make them even more expensive
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Nov 12, 2020 22:37
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Solemn Sloth posted:I think it’s reasonable to eventually have a road use levy on EVs but not to enact it yet to give an incentive to converting If the problem is actually that revenue is being lost on fuel tax (it's not) the answer is to enact the road usage tax they are describing on *all* cars at a low level and increase it in line with adoption of electric vehicles.
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Nov 13, 2020 00:23
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In fact (excluding hybrids and electrics) fuel excuse has dropped in per km terms for passenger vehicles by a huge amount since the 80s because cars have gotten far more efficient and the excise indexation was paused for a long time so has not kept pace with inflation.
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Nov 13, 2020 00:25
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norp posted:In fact (excluding hybrids and electrics) fuel excuse has dropped in per km terms for passenger vehicles by a huge amount since the 80s because cars have gotten far more efficient and the excise indexation was paused for a long time so has not kept pace with inflation. Clearly we need a tax on people who don't drive much.
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Nov 13, 2020 01:04
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Having less cars on the road (whatever their fuel) is a net positive so ramp up the tax on all of them so nobody can afford to drive them, and fund more public transport for all.
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Nov 13, 2020 01:22
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Fuel excise pays a significant portion of road maintenance and does scale with vehicle mass and use Fuel excise collections will taper off as e-vehicles proliferate so it makes sense something has to change to include e-vehicles in the collections. Yes, after they are well established not when there is barely any and they're having enough trouble getting market share.
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Nov 13, 2020 02:13
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iajanus posted:Having less cars on the road (whatever their fuel) is a net positive so ramp up the tax on all of them so nobody can afford to drive them, and fund more public transport for all. In some areas that could work, but the problem is that public transport tends to get worse the further you get from the centre of cities, which are also the areas that are cheaper to live and so get lower income people who are less able to pay the taxes.
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Nov 13, 2020 02:46
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Senor Tron posted:In some areas that could work, but the problem is that public transport tends to get worse the further you get from the centre of cities, which are also the areas that are cheaper to live and so get lower income people who are less able to pay the taxes. Also they'd just ramp up the taxes and then never actually put anything into public transport anyway
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Nov 13, 2020 02:49
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Senor Tron posted:In some areas that could work, but the problem is that public transport tends to get worse the further you get from the centre of cities, which are also the areas that are cheaper to live and so get lower income people who are less able to pay the taxes. Ah actually I think you’d find the fuel excise is a highly progressive tax Now, I'll give you one example: The change to fuel excise, the people that actually pay the most are higher income people, with an increase in fuel excise and yet, the Labor Party and the Greens are opposing it. They say you've got to have wealthier people or middle-income people pay more. Well, change to the fuel excise does exactly that. The poorest people either don't have cars or actually don't drive very far in many cases. But, they are opposing what is meant to be, according to the Treasury, a progressive tax.
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Nov 13, 2020 03:11
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Australian cities are terrible for public transport. I am not condemning public transport either. So to be succinct: Australian cities are terrible.
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Nov 13, 2020 03:13
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Put a massive levy on CBD parking spots that decreases as you move further out. Introduce congestion charging.
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Nov 13, 2020 06:01
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Capt.Whorebags posted:Put a massive levy on CBD parking spots that decreases as you move further out. Introduce congestion charging. clearly have not tried parking within a 3km radius of Brisbane city ever
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Nov 13, 2020 06:25
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Clearly we need a tax on people who don't drive much. A tax on people who don't own cars
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Nov 13, 2020 06:33
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Recoome posted:clearly have not tried parking within a 3km radius of Brisbane city ever As if QLD would allow my NSW gutter blood across the border. ...Or I would be inclined to visit
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Nov 13, 2020 07:06
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Alternatively we could reallocate space away from cars and achieve less car dependence without having to meddle with fuel excise rates, congestion charges, etc.
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Nov 13, 2020 07:31
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I love cars and I love driving and I would 100% love it if public transport was better so my car can be even less practical and ridiculous. Thanks.
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Nov 13, 2020 09:22
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Nov 13, 2020 09:28
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Nov 13, 2020 09:35
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14 day average 0.0 dan stronk Victoria prosper
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Nov 13, 2020 09:46
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Solemn Sloth posted:14 day average 0.0 dan stronk Victoria prosper treat yourself: go lick some doorknobs. you earned this. you deserve it.
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Nov 13, 2020 10:43
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Solemn Sloth posted:14 day average 0.0 dan stronk Victoria prosper On the trails and parks I frequent the mask wearing is getting much more slack. They might have to adjust the rules soon just to avoid the perception of widespread obvious rule breaking with no consequences. The masks don't bother me so I'm happy to keep wearing them but it's going to be hard to convince people of the need to wear them in outside parks, sports fields, trails etc when there is very little virus getting around
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Senor Tron posted:In some areas that could work, but the problem is that public transport tends to get worse the further you get from the centre of cities, which are also the areas that are cheaper to live and so get lower income people who are less able to pay the taxes. It comes down to what city you live in and how planned it is. I used to live 26km from the city in Sydney and my drive was 1 hour to work in town, and 30 minutes on public transport. In Brisbane I live 13 km from the city and driving is 15-20 minutes and PT is 45 minutes at least (with far less services). Distance is immaterial, it's whether there's any will to put it on at all. And from living in Sydney for 30 years, the obvious answer is actually making it attractive to have business centred in the outer cities. My entire life living out west I heard that Parramatta and Penrith were going to be the new hubs, but it never happened and everyone still had to commute into the city (Norwest excepted). I'm not sure of the best way to do so, but those centres need to be turned into actual CBDs rather than pale imitations.
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