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The adult romance thing is a little bit complicated for me by Joker existing as more or less a player cipher. It’s nice to have a romance option that’s not “various shades of high school girl” when I’m reasonably sure the average age of the western player of this game is around 24
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Jun 1, 2019 08:03
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Lord_Magmar posted:In theory the actual difference is that Kamoshida uses his power and privelage to force himself on students, whilst Joker has to convince Kawakami three times to get her to even consider a relationship. why would you ever date mishima, he's not even a fun disaster of a person like yusuke is
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Jun 1, 2019 08:23
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Redemption arc with love. And let's not give lovely videogame advice over Ken's social link advice when you can easily just avoid his "romance".
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Jun 1, 2019 08:33
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NachtSieger posted:why would you ever date mishima, he's not even a fun disaster of a person like yusuke is Because I actually think his realisation of being an rear end in a top hat and working to correct it is noble, and of the male characters he shows the most interest in Joker. To the point where it would be very easy to write him as having a fanboy crush on the protagonist that he doesn't notice until the protagonist mentions it and offers a date or whatever. Also as much as I want to stop him from screwing up and doing bad things I also wanna make sure he's safe considering he gets a lot of poo poo from a lot of people he doesn't deserve. He's probably one of the most victimised people in the game, the fact he turns this into motivation for being an rear end in a top hat doesn't change that he's bullied and belittled by almost everyone he knows.
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Jun 1, 2019 08:34
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I feel like I should say that I really like his Social Link and his character progression is really cool  I basically wholly agree with you but I also find poking fun at his incredibly dorkishness fun.
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Jun 1, 2019 08:39
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NachtSieger posted:I feel like I should say that I really like his Social Link and his character progression is really cool Oh absolutely, he's a dork. My point is that it's also endearing how much he wants to help at the beginning and the end of his link, and the stuff about how he's been pretty much beaten down all his life by bullies and jerks. It'd be nice to give him someone who likes him and wants to make him happy, and why can't Joker be that person. Basically Mishima is a loser who I think it'd be nice if one of the options was to show him that he's not as much of a loser as he thinks he is. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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Jun 1, 2019 08:44
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Lord_Magmar posted:Oh absolutely, he's a dork. My point is that it's also endearing how much he wants to help at the beginning and the end of his link, and the stuff about how he's been pretty much beaten down all his life by bullies and jerks. It'd be nice to give him someone who likes him and wants to make him happy, and why can't Joker be that person. The end of his link and his contribution in the final boss try to do the this, but it comes off more as him being an idealistic loser rather than a huge change.
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Jun 1, 2019 11:47
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What gets me about all the adult romances (aside from, you know, everything else) is they're all really bad about the 'wait you want to romance okay I guess' at Social Link 9. The doctor especially. The reporter, too. While you and Makoto do also fake date that feels like it's over the course of at least several days even as you can probably do it the next time she's available. The reporter uses you in a con once to get her editor off her back and you can go 'that wasn't real?' and all the sudden she's head over heels and it's time to call social services.
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Jun 1, 2019 15:28
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TheKingofSprings posted:The adult romance thing is a little bit complicated for me by Joker existing as more or less a player cipher. This is a good point. I romanced Kawakami and I think I'm older than her. Persona has a huge layer of escapism to it and that was why I wasn't overly bothered by it being "problematic" from the game universe perspective.
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Jun 1, 2019 15:30
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Zore posted:can we please not normalize a loving out and out pedophile social link. I mean, you can turn him down. NikkolasKing posted:This is a good point. Joker is probably more mature and together than most people playing this game. Yes, keeping in mind the average age being 24 or so. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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Jun 1, 2019 17:52
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A lot of people's reactions to the adult (or futaba) relationships come from how they approach Joker. Some people play him as Joker, the high school student. For them, dating an adult is creepy because they're inserted into the role of a high school student and thinking of the relationships as such. These people tend to find the Futaba relationship less creepy, because it's not that bad from Joker's perspective. And some people play him as themselves, a self-insert. For them, dating an adult is fine because they are an adult. Dating Futaba is creepy because she reads as younger than the others and they are very reasonably repulsed by that. Neither of these approaches is really wrong, but they tend to talk past each other when discussing romance links
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Jun 1, 2019 18:19
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Why would you romance anyone but Makoto, the only option that is both your age and has their poo poo together
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Jun 1, 2019 18:34
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Because Makoto isn’t a character
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Jun 1, 2019 18:36
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Butt Ghost posted:Because Makoto isn’t a character Mods?!?
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Jun 1, 2019 18:37
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Fojar38 posted:Why would you romance anyone but Makoto, the only option that is both your age and has their poo poo together Because Makoto wants to be a cop
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Jun 1, 2019 18:39
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Makoto gets to be a character for one cutscene and thenMacaluso posted:Makoto wants to be a cop
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Jun 1, 2019 18:41
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So?
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Jun 1, 2019 18:44
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Fojar38 posted:Why would you romance anyone but Makoto, the only option that is both your age and has their poo poo together
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Jun 1, 2019 18:49
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Jun 1, 2019 18:52
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imo "maybe will become a cop in the future" is at least mitigated by being one of the most wanted criminals in the world right now
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Jun 1, 2019 18:53
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It is time for the discussion on how the phantom thieves do nothing to change the system
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Jun 1, 2019 18:57
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People ignoring the actual obvious pick, Haru. Close in age to Joker, good sense of style, good personality, has the business connections/resources/knowledge to potentially open her own cafe in the future so Joker can either be legit and set in an honest future or leverage it into a front for a crime empire... oh, and isn't a cop.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:02
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Mason Dixon posted:People ignoring the actual obvious pick, Haru. Close in age to Joker, good sense of style, good personality, has the business connections/resources/knowledge to potentially open her own cafe in the future so Joker can either be legit and set in an honest future or leverage it into a front for a crime empire... oh, and isn't a cop. Who? Fojar38 posted:So? I take it you haven't paid a lot of attention to the forums, lately.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:10
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Fojar38 posted:Why would you romance anyone but Makoto, the only option that is both your age and has their poo poo together As far as the game and dancing spin-off are concerned, she’s already into Joker and both Futaba and Ann highly approve of the idea of them being a couple. Mason Dixon posted:People ignoring the actual obvious pick, Haru. Close in age to Joker, good sense of style, good personality, has the business connections/resources/knowledge to potentially open her own cafe in the future so Joker can either be legit and set in an honest future or leverage it into a front for a crime empire... oh, and isn't a cop. The game itself ignores Haru, so how were the players able to do less? If she gets some screen time and stops using the most absurdly over complicated planters known to man, then we can talk.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:10
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Everyone loves Joker and rightfully so. He is powered by Lupin.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:22
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Butt Ghost posted:Because Makoto isn’t a character someone is determined to keep a death grip on the title of worst poster in this thread.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:23
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Speaking of Joker being a self insert, I’m disappointed that Sae wasn’t a dateable option.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:30
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Mason Dixon posted:People ignoring the actual obvious pick, Haru. Close in age to Joker, good sense of style, good personality, has the business connections/resources/knowledge to potentially open her own cafe in the future so Joker can either be legit and set in an honest future or leverage it into a front for a crime empire... oh, and isn't a cop. I love Haru and would have romanced her but I'm pretty sure I was already with Kawakami by the time Haru entered the game when it was, what, 90% over. SettingSun posted:Speaking of Joker being a self insert, I’m disappointed that Sae wasn’t a dateable option. I think everybody was. I know I was.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:33
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Mason Dixon posted:People ignoring the actual obvious pick, Haru. Close in age to Joker, good sense of style, good personality, has the business connections/resources/knowledge to potentially open her own cafe in the future so Joker can either be legit and set in an honest future or leverage it into a front for a crime empire... oh, and isn't a cop. Like was said above Haru's problem is the game's nearly over by the time she cinnamon buns her way into the Phantom Thieves.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:35
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Joker being able to romance Sae is just....it's over the top. Joker will not settle for a doctor, or a reporter, or his goddamn teacher, no--Joker is going to romance the woman hellbent on putting him behind bars. It's bonkers. But yes, I regret it not happening. The very idea makes me laugh.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:36
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RevolverDivider posted:someone is determined to keep a death grip on the title of worst poster in this thread.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:46
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Mason Dixon posted:People ignoring the actual obvious pick, Haru. She sometimes takes a little pack of mayonnaise, and she’ll squirt it in her mouth all over, and then she’ll take an egg and kind of... Mmmm! She calls it a “mayonegg.”
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Jun 1, 2019 19:56
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Cuntellectual posted:I take it you haven't paid a lot of attention to the forums, lately. Oh so this isn't really about anything that matters in the anime video game it's just about 
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Jun 1, 2019 20:00
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Cops uphold the status quo, that is their entire purpose. So it's a bit weird to have her wanna be one given what the game clumsily tries to convey.
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Jun 1, 2019 20:04
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Not really considering her upbringing, her family, how she defines justice, and all the problems in the system she becomes aware of over the course of being a Phantom Thief? Like it's really, really obvious that she wants to be a cop because she believes that the police at large right now are failing in their duty to do what's right even if it involves confronting the powerful and wants to be an agent of change in the system. Like this is her character arc over the course of the game. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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Jun 1, 2019 20:10
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Cops uphold the status quo, that is their entire purpose. So it's a bit weird to have her wanna be one given what the game clumsily tries to convey. Isn't her stated purpose to use the system to change the status quo? Like yeah it's a fictional thing because fictional cops are not the same as real world cops but even Persona 5 admits they have problems, it is just that Makoto believes in reforming things wherever possible. Like yeah, modern police are extremely hosed up and desperately corrupt. This is a thing. Unless you're opposed to the idea of law enforcement however then either reforming the current system or creating something entirely new (that, because we're talking about a fictional video game here, will *still resemble the current system* because expecting someone writing a goofy anime video game to redefine the idea of law enforcement is a bit much) is pretty much inevitable. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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Jun 1, 2019 20:10
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Sure, but the game is really bad at making it feel like the phantom thieves are actually changing things on a larger level, so the "I'll fix it from the inside" stuff feels really toothless.
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Jun 1, 2019 20:12
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Sure, but the game is really bad at making it feel like the phantom thieves are actually changing things on a larger level, so the "I'll fix it from the inside" stuff feels really toothless. I dunno I think that preventing the re-emergence of a fascist Japan with the power of the metaverse at its disposal was pretty good and that was before they literally destroyed Plato's Cave by killing the Demiurge
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Jun 1, 2019 20:14
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Sure, but the game is really bad at making it feel like the phantom thieves are actually changing things on a larger level, so the "I'll fix it from the inside" stuff feels really toothless. I feel like you want the end goal of the game to be "The Phantom Thieves somehow completely change society instantly" which is a bit much to ask from any video game. Even video games about drastic social upheavel trend towards status quos for obvious reasons. Even in fantasy or sci-fi settings you get movement towards a comfortable safe status quo because it's frigging hard to envision a society that isn't that in a way that it's horrifyingly offensively simplified or completely implausible. Like I think Persona 5 could have gone further but it feels like the expectations people have for how far it could go are kind of implausible. There's a reason most video games/movies/books which feature massive shifts towards theoretical better worlds leave it for the credits so they don't have to deal with actually portraying it.
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Jun 1, 2019 20:19
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