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I'd vote the gently caress out of the Coalition of the Western United States..
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Apr 6, 2020 18:00
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Proposition 69 to secede from the Union passes with 69% of the vote
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Apr 6, 2020 18:04
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Secession talk is bullshit.
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Apr 6, 2020 18:08
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Secession talk is bullshit. I'm still gonna vote for it.
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Secession is definitely not going to happen, but I'm sure we'll continue to see "soft" secession where states vote and implement more ways to rely on themselves or coordinate between themselves rather than depend on the federal government. Sadly this is exactly what many republicans want. So it will be interesting to see them put their money where the mouth is when it comes to "states rights". Of course they'll be as hypocritical as they want to be, so if California tries to get more freedom I'm sure they'll vote against it. Cool cool cool
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sim posted:Secession is definitely not going to happen, but I'm sure we'll continue to see "soft" secession where states vote and implement more ways to rely on themselves or coordinate between themselves rather than depend on the federal government. Sadly this is exactly what many republicans want. So it will be interesting to see them put their money where the mouth is when it comes to "states rights". Of course they'll be as hypocritical as they want to be, so if California tries to get more freedom I'm sure they'll vote against it. Cool cool cool "States' rights" is always about brutalizing minorities and forcing women to not get abortions. Maybe also flooding communities with guns (so that white people can abuse POC with the excuse that the POC could have been armed). And naturally no state has the right to allow abortions or not terrorize their non-white communities, what are you some kinda loving pinko commie??
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"State's rights" was about, from the very beginning of our constitutional convention, ensuring that states could preserve the institution of slavery even in the event of a growing national majority opposed to it. Calexit is just about as stupidly short-sighted as Brexit, in terms of how much it'd cost the state. Granted we'd (presumably) not be doing it for the racist reasons, but it'd still be enormously costly and probably crush the California economy for a decade. Not to mention instill a huge amount of hostility with the rest of the country, including (especially) as the vote would probably fail and just leave us looking like elitist quitter assholes (which, if we tried it, we would be). Our role as Californians is to smugly drag the rest of the country kicking and screaming into the future by insisting on our own stricter rules and reforms and just being better at everything, and being 20% of the entire country so they can't just ignore us.
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Leperflesh posted:Not to mention instill a huge amount of hostility with the rest of the country[...] But there's already a huge amount of hostility towards Californians for exactly what you described, and we already have a reputation for being elitist assholes, and our economy is already going to take a huge hit. We can't lose!
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Leperflesh posted:Our role as Californians is to smugly drag the rest of the country kicking and screaming into the future by insisting on our own stricter rules and reforms and just being better at everything, and being 20% of the entire country so they can't just ignore us. This I can get behind.
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Apr 6, 2020 19:55
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The pro way to handle hypothetical secession is not to have California just bail on it's own so it becomes "that one rear end in a top hat state leaving the other 49". It's to secede with Oregon and Washington as a Pacific Union, while also encouraging the eastern seaboard to do something similar.
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Chomp8645 posted:The pro way to handle hypothetical secession is not to have California just bail on it's own so it becomes "that one rear end in a top hat state leaving the other 49". I think Nevada would end up joining too in the event that things are hosed enough for that to happen.
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https://twitter.com/bestofnextdoor/status/1247229911795785729?s=19
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You could make an argument for a majority of the West to come with in the advent of the possibility.
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We'll sweeten the deal for the remaining USA by giving them the State of Jefferson.
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CPColin posted:We'll sweeten the deal for the remaining USA by giving them the State of Jefferson. Better yet: annex Nevada, boot the State of Jefferson assholes into it, call that the new State of Jefferson, and then give that back.
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Taking the entirety of the united states' west coast ports away (and then charging money to rail stuff east through our land) would be extremely amazing, but somehow I don't think that's in the cards. I posted an effortpost about secession one or two times ago that it came up, but the gist of it is: we lack a ton of the governmental infrastructure required by an independent country, and creating it from scratch would take ages and cost a lot. There's a wealth of highly contentious issues that would tear the state's population apart, too; such as, what would be required to gain California (or Pacific Union) citizenship? Would we be a nuclear-armed country? Will we attempt to simultaneously establish a universal health care system? Would companies flee our states, or want to be established in them, and what would be our corporate laws? Would we consider ourselves still bound by two centuries of supreme court decisions, or start from scratch with a new constitution and legal system? Will we attempt to create new intelligence agencies? Are we going to try to control our borders, and if so, how? What do we do if they decide we can't have the Colorado River's flow and just shut it off at the border? Mostly secessionists think of how much better it'd be if we weren't subject to the incredibly stupid and shortsighted actions of the federal government, and I get that, it's fun to think about. But to borrow D&D's current monicker: dunning & kruger would suggest that making a new country is not so straightforward after all.
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Tarezax posted:I think Nevada would end up joining too in the event that things are hosed enough for that to happen. 85% of the land in Nevada is owned by the federal government, that's gonna be a little difficult to pull off. Hell, the fed owns 45% of the land in CA as well. FCKGW fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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I mean, this all just half-joking delusions by people slowly going crazy while on lockdown But what else is there to talk about
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Maybe... they just... haven't... used them?
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It’s easier to imagine calexit than the end of capitalism
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Centrist Committee posted:It’s easier to imagine calexit than the end of capitalism
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krysmopompas posted:It’s easier to imagine ending capitalism in an independent california at least. lol this is pretty good.
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Apr 6, 2020 23:10
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California is going to secede... from the planet and blast off into space, literally the whole state "Bugs Bunny cuts off Florida" style but with rocket boosters, and we will live among the stars in fully automated luxury communism.
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Chomp8645 posted:California is going to secede... from the planet and blast off into space, literally the whole state "Bugs Bunny cuts off Florida" style but with rocket boosters, and we will live among the stars in fully automated luxury communism. So this but California: 
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Finally, the San Andreas gets it done the way my relatives envision
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Apr 7, 2020 00:38
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Sydin posted:So this but California: Yes this what I was envisioning.
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As one of the replies said, flushing wipes is a problem, and it's not this person's to solve. Back in my hometown, they had to issue public advisories to not flush wipes down the toilet because it clogs up the water filtration systems downstream. They're already working on reduced staff, and yet have to clean the filters 1-2x a week instead of once a month or two. Imagine tap water running dry not because a drought finally did in California's water reserves, but because too many shitheels can't stand having to empty their garbage a bit more often.
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I thought that was about wet wipes for your butt and was horrified that someone would dig through their neighbor’s trash to check. Though I guess the actual story is only slightly less horrifying.
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We keep those wipes for on the go in the car. I toss my used ones at work or at a gas station. That dude is nuts.
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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If Trump’s tendency to actively ratfuck states that won’t vote for him or his party gets worse with subsequent presidents, that just might convince Californians that the riskiness of independence is worth it. Water rights would be a giant mess though and I don’t know how it would be ironed out.
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I'm guessing that a seceded California would look (geographically) a lot like Chile but instead of the Andes defining the eastern border it's the Coast Ranges. And in that case the Colorado River water wouldn't matter at all because we'd have no delta water or Hetch Hetchy water for that matter. Los Angeles and all of it's residents would be consumed by the Mojave within in 2 years and the Owens Valley would flourish once again. Those of us in the northern part of the New California Republic could survive on weed and garlic for a little longer but without being able to squirrel away all of their money in Delaware our disruptive-scooter-based economy will evaporate and we will finally be 100% homeless when we sell the last Eichler to a Chinese holding company. The U.S. will invade us for enriching too much uranium and we will greet them as liberators.
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Realistically ( at using that to describe any of this), you'd probably want to take Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, and ColoradoNew Mexico and west Texas can come along too if they want
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:I'm guessing that a seceded California would look (geographically) a lot like Chile but instead of the Andes defining the eastern border it's the Coast Ranges. And in that case the Colorado River water wouldn't matter at all because we'd have no delta water or Hetch Hetchy water for that matter. Los Angeles and all of it's residents would be consumed by the Mojave within in 2 years and the Owens Valley would flourish once again. lol youre giving the chudlands too much credit. The chuds are outnumbered bigly, already have big(ish) city enclaves to offset the chudlyness, including the existing capitol, and there's no way coastal CA would be ok with losing 90% of its food and water supply.
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Its an interesting factoid that's in no way connected to secession chat but the Federal Government parks all their surplus tanks and stuff in the desert near the town of Herlong, CA. Its fun to look at on google maps.
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Polikarpov posted:Its an interesting factoid that's in no way connected to secession chat but the Federal Government parks all their surplus tanks and stuff in the desert near the town of Herlong, CA. Its fun to look at on google maps. I wonder what the plane graveyard near Mojave looks like right now Probably a ton of planes in temporary storage there until air travel picks up again
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Calexit would be funny simply because in one breath the republican states would scream "GOOD! GET OUT OF HERE!" And then a month later they would complain that they are broke.
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Rah! posted:lol youre giving the chudlands too much credit. The chuds are outnumbered bigly, already have big(ish) city enclaves to offset the chudlyness, including the existing capitol, and there's no way coastal CA would be ok with losing 90% of its food and water supply. I'm picturing chudland insurrectionists receiving military aid from the United States and eventually re-annexation or whatever you'd call it
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:I'm picturing chudland insurrectionists receiving military aid from the United States and eventually re-annexation or whatever you'd call it Ever listen to It Could Happen Here?
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I’m hoping for an alliance with the newly established Holy Deseret Empire to aid us in our struggle for liberation. We can give them the worst chud ridden wasteland parts of California as payment and in return they can act as a giant buffer state between us and the crumbling Great Satan back east.
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