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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Just curious, did Ron Paul ever pull in crowds of comparable size? I always thought his support base was more online and that the only people who actually showed up to stuff was diehard crazies. More importantly; have they ever showed up en masse this early in the cycle?
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Kalman posted:I can't imagine why Bernie pulled a big crowd in The People's Republic of Wisconsin. Did you just forget the last five years or what But yeah that crowd doesn't matter
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So I'm thinking of working for Bernie Sanders campaign. My main question though is what is his plan for actually getting his ideas implemented? And what evidence do we have that he can work the system in Washington to get poo poo done? One thing that was great about Warren is not only does she have great ideas, she's shown she's savvy in getting stuff accomplished in Washington. And Hillary's policies might not be as good, but her and Bill know how to manipulate the system to their advantage, as was shown in the 90s. I need to see evidence that Bernie knows how to work the system in Washington to get his ideas implemented.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Just curious, did Ron Paul ever pull in crowds of comparable size? I always thought his support base was more online and that the only people who actually showed up to stuff was diehard crazies. iirc his largest was at 7k but thats from a few quick searches
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theblackw0lf posted:So I'm thinking of working for Bernie Sanders campaign. My main question though is what is his plan for actually getting his ideas implemented? And what evidence do we have that he can work the system in Washington to get poo poo done? One thing that was great about Warren is not only does she have great ideas, she's shown she's savvy in getting stuff accomplished in Washington. And Hillary's policies might not be as good, but her and Bill know how to manipulate the system to their advantage, as was shown in the 90s. his plan is "we will vote you out of office if you dont vote for The Thing" threats rom the people to congress it looks like which is why hes emphasizing a movement rather than him being president magically fixing problems, which he mentions in speeches
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:his plan is "we will vote you out of office if you dont vote for The Thing" threats rom the people to congress it looks like which is why hes emphasizing a movement rather than him being president magically fixing problems, which he mentions in speeches That doesn't give me confidence 
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Jul 2, 2015 07:23
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theblackw0lf posted:That doesn't give me confidence American politics shouldn't. It's a hideous, depressing wreck.
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theblackw0lf posted:My main question though is what is his plan for actually getting his ideas implemented? And what evidence do we have that he can work the system in Washington to get poo poo done? That sounds like a good thing to pointedly ask whoever you're going to be feeling out for a position. The way they respond might tell you as much as what they actually say.
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theblackw0lf posted:That doesn't give me confidence lets be fair, if there's a pretty riled up D base for the next election cycle, they could potentially reswing congress and the senate again but lol @ that idea idk
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Jul 2, 2015 07:32
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Democratic wave year, bitches!  
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Jul 2, 2015 07:37
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Pappyland posted:I haven't seen this posted yet, so apologies if so: hholy lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74GdKOFS39E
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Three Olives posted:Here is the thing, no one can win at arguing against Trump because there is nothing to argue with, he is a completely boorish cartoon clown villain, there is no way you can debate that so he wins unless you completely dismiss him as the fool he is. Debating anything with Trump reminds me of the saying 'Don't wrestle with a pig. The pig enjoys it and you just get covered with poo poo.'
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Yeah, if any GOP candidate finds themselves directly debating Trump they've already lost just by vindicating his run. It's an admission that he's their peer, that his crazy-rear end ideas are worth engaging with. There's a similar saying about not arguing with an idiot because they bring you down to their level then beat you with experience, and that's Trump. This assumes he holds together till the first debate, I definitely think he wasn't planning this self-damage and despite attempts at spin it's cost him real money. Maybe all publicity is good publicity but I don't see how he turns a profit on this Presidential run.
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theblackw0lf posted:So I'm thinking of working for Bernie Sanders campaign. My main question though is what is his plan for actually getting his ideas implemented? And what evidence do we have that he can work the system in Washington to get poo poo done? One thing that was great about Warren is not only does she have great ideas, she's shown she's savvy in getting stuff accomplished in Washington. And Hillary's policies might not be as good, but her and Bill know how to manipulate the system to their advantage, as was shown in the 90s. The same way Hillary will get her ideas implemented: Not at all or through executive orders/appointments/eventual Circuit/SCOTUS nominations. No one will get the republicans to sign onto anything to the left of the current national status quo, and they will not work with the longtime locus of their collective hatred (Clinton) or a self-described socialist (Sanders). If the Democrats retake Congress in 2020, things might happen then. Don't let any of this keep you from participating, though. Local engagement helps keep people educated and move things forward in other ways. It's a noble thing to take part in.
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Vox Nihili posted:The same way Hillary will get her ideas implemented: Not at all or through executive orders/appointments/eventual Circuit/SCOTUS nominations. No one will get the republicans to sign onto anything to the left of the current national status quo, and they will not work with the longtime locus of their collective hatred (Clinton) or a self-described socialist (Sanders). If the Democrats retake Congress in 2020, things might happen then. Of course the House is another story.
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Nessus posted:I thought there was a good chance on Ds retaking the Senate - possibly an extremely good chance - since most of the crop of Tea Party maniacs are coming due in states that may have significantly less patience for their poo poo? By popular vote Democrats are a majority right now. The right will probably keep the House due to extensive gerrymandering but if the Ds play it right they could take the Senate. The issue there is that if the right keeps a big enough majority in the House and keeps up their attitude of "sabotage literally everything the left does at all costs" then it still won't matter.
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Nessus posted:I thought there was a good chance on Ds retaking the Senate - possibly an extremely good chance - since most of the crop of Tea Party maniacs are coming due in states that may have significantly less patience for their poo poo? That would be helpful for making appointments that require consent of the senate, but it would not allow the new president to pass his/her favored legislation. Without a majority in both houses and control of the presidency, no democrat will be able to pass meaningful reform legislation. That is the nature of congress as it exists today.
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By the way, take a look at this particular market: https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleOption?marketId=1273#data1 "Will Biden run?" at 55% yes. "No" available @ 44 cents on the dollar. Seems like a bargain to me, but maybe my impression of the current situation is incorrect?
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Nessus posted:I thought there was a good chance on Ds retaking the Senate - possibly an extremely good chance - since most of the crop of Tea Party maniacs are coming due in states that may have significantly less patience for their poo poo? They'd have to have a really good night. They need 4 pickups, 4 of which they stand a scant-to-decent chance at and 3 more which might flip if they can get good enough candidates with actual support (lol), and any coattail effect from Clinton.
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point of return posted:The only thing funnier than Trump being the nominee would be Trump being the kingmaker in a brokered convention. There's no way we live in a world this beautiful.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:So, here's a question, from a Canadian who follows U.S. politics on and off: Who's the LEAST objectionable Republican primary candidate? I know little bits about the various folks, and Trump's a walking calamity, but what else? John Kasich. quote:Ya know, because people are poor doesn’t mean they don’t work hard. Because people are poor doesn’t mean that — it sometimes means they couldn’t pull themselves up by their bootstraps at some point in time. The most important thing for this legislature to think about : put yourself in somebody else’s shoes.” Naturally, he doesn't have a chance.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Just curious, did Ron Paul ever pull in crowds of comparable size? I always thought his support base was more online and that the only people who actually showed up to stuff was diehard crazies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjfa0Alz5o
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Well, whoever is doing the raping, they won't be doing it on a Donald Trump-branded mattress any more. Sealy has announced they are phasing out their Trump Home mattress line, a line of mattresses costing between $1,299 and $2,999. Amazingly enough, there are people who want to spend thousands of dollars for something with the name of a vulgar clown attached to it.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/02/bernie-sanders-draws-crowd-of-10000-at-wisconsin-rally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OewBDIwy-O4
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Joementum posted:John Kasich. Living in a very blue area, I've always had a soft spot for the reasonable republican, and quite frankly - around here they have to be if they want to have any chance of being elected dogcatcher. My question, that maybe some Ohioans can answer, is does Kasich's record as governor support that?
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The Nastier Nate posted:Living in a very blue area, I've always had a soft spot for the reasonable republican, and quite frankly - around here they have to be if they want to have any chance of being elected dogcatcher. My question, that maybe some Ohioans can answer, is does Kasich's record as governor support that? I think SB5 alone should disqualify him from that consideration.
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theblackw0lf posted:So I'm thinking of working for Bernie Sanders campaign. My main question though is what is his plan for actually getting his ideas implemented? And what evidence do we have that he can work the system in Washington to get poo poo done? One thing that was great about Warren is not only does she have great ideas, she's shown she's savvy in getting stuff accomplished in Washington. And Hillary's policies might not be as good, but her and Bill know how to manipulate the system to their advantage, as was shown in the 90s. People forget that Bernie's been in Congress since 1991, longer than the Clintons (or Obama) have been in DC, so he has plenty of experience and connections. I believe he has a good reputation with his colleagues as well. He'll also appoint plenty of experienced people to his Cabinet and other positions, so things will get done. It won't be as easy as it would be for Hillary, but since he's a white man, he'll have an easier time than Obama did. So working for him isn't a futile decision, it's more risky, but it isn't crazy. Working for the moderate O'Malley is much more ridiculous. Edit: During his House career, Bernie passed more floor amendments than any other member, so he knows how to work the system. https://web.archive.org/web/20071114174825/http://bernie.org/?p=53 The X-man cometh fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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Alter Ego posted:I think SB5 alone should disqualify him from that consideration. For those of us not from Ohio, please explain.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:So, here's a question, from a Canadian who follows U.S. politics on and off: Who's the LEAST objectionable Republican primary candidate? Lincoln Chafee Serious answer is Pataki, the only pro-gay marriage, pro-choicer in the race and might end up being the last one since being pro-choice in the GOP is about like being anti-gay in the Democratic Party these days (there's still a lot of Catholic Dems re: abortion). He's been out of office with no other notable job for over 8 years though. Last we saw him, Obama was not even 2 years into his Senate term.
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The Nastier Nate posted:For those of us not from Ohio, please explain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Senate_Bill_5_Voter_Referendum,_Issue_2 It killed collective bargaining for public sector unions in Ohio. Kasich was angling to be Scott Walker Jr. and would have been had the bill not been put on the ballot.
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The X-man cometh posted:People forget that Bernie's been in Congress since 1991, longer than the Clintons (or Obama) have been in DC, do he has plenty of experience and connections. I believe he has a good reputation with his colleagues as well. The main example of Sanders' ability to work across ideological barriers that's floating around right now is him negotiating a compromise with John McCain on a veterans bill. I think he's less likely to get stonewalled by republicans than Clinton over petty poo poo on the basis of his last name alone, and his "vote out your congresscritters if they don't back your interests" platform is fine - if he can actually get elected, then the public will is manifestly there to back that up.
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Vox Nihili posted:By the way, take a look at this particular market: https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleOption?marketId=1273#data1 That's just what the latest sale was at, but many 'stocks' there are pretty illiquid so prices to actually buy can be a lot different. For example Biden Yes is 66 cents to actually get a share (of course you can try and make a lower offer). The X-man cometh posted:People forget that Bernie's been in Congress since 1991, longer than the Clintons (or Obama) have been in DC, do he has plenty of experience and connections. I believe he has a good reputation with his colleagues as well. It's not like Bill had it easy and that was pre 9/11. TROIKA CURES GREEK fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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Joementum posted:John Kasich. Loving that headline.
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I haven't been following the pre-primaries too closely, is Bernie Sanders as far left as Obama is? I'd like to vote Democrat again, but not if we get a rehash of Obama's "4-year plans".
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Narciss posted:I haven't been following the pre-primaries too closely, is Bernie Sanders as far left as Obama is? I'd like to vote Democrat again, but not if we get a rehash of Obama's "4-year plans". Further to the left. Even compared to Candidate Obama.
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Cephalocidal posted:The main example of Sanders' ability to work across ideological barriers that's floating around right now is him negotiating a compromise with John McCain on a veterans bill. I think he's less likely to get stonewalled by republicans than Clinton over petty poo poo on the basis of his last name alone, and his "vote out your congresscritters if they don't back your interests" platform is fine - if he can actually get elected, then the public will is manifestly there to back that up. Yes, the idea that the GOP will work with someone who calls himself a socialist is totally reasonable. If he gets elected, the public will is there in the states that vote for him, not in the ones that don't. The GOP has plenty of safe districts.
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