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StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin
Feelings about Cruz YES in Iowa? Currently at 55 and I feel if he has a place for his soapbox it's in their caucus, but with him showing strong against Trump there I'm personally not sure where this is gonna go. We haven't seen them lock horns yet.

edited for too many "theres"

StevePerry has issued a correction as of 20:14 on Nov 24, 2015

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Adar
Jul 27, 2001
He's at 9/5 on Betfair (obviously a much thinner market but whatever) just to give you an idea of how far off Predictit is right now.

His problem is there are two months left. There's too much time for them to abandon him and rush to some other flavor of the month. It's possible and his price will definitely spike if you're day trading, but I wouldn't buy and hold.

Speaking of thin markets, how much action is there on Predictit at the moment in the major markets and what's the max deposit amount? They're blocking my location even though I'm a US citizen etc etc.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Adar posted:

Speaking of thin markets, how much action is there on Predictit at the moment in the major markets and what's the max deposit amount? They're blocking my location even though I'm a US citizen etc etc.

Each market has a data section that will show you both today's volume and total market volume. Max deposit is $850 per market.

ninja edit: Well I don't know what the max DEPOSIT is but you can't put more than $850 in any one market.

ninja x2 edit: PredictIt also isn't allowed in Washington or Nevada

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin

Adar posted:

His problem is there are two months left. There's too much time for them to abandon him and rush to some other flavor of the month. It's possible and his price will definitely spike if you're day trading, but I wouldn't buy and hold.
Definitely, I was thinking about shorting him there as a YES. There's a momentum I want to try to take advantage of, but I have no clue how Trump's going to handle his upswing, they seem to have some kind of truce after all.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Necc0 posted:

Each market has a data section that will show you both today's volume and total market volume. Max deposit is $850 per market.

ninja edit: Well I don't know what the max DEPOSIT is but you can't put more than $850 in any one market.

ninja x2 edit: PredictIt also isn't allowed in Washington or Nevada

Definitely ironic for Nevada.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Vox Nihili posted:

Definitely ironic for Nevada.

Brick and mortar casinos have a monied interest in making sure all gambling in the state goes through them.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
More new markets:
*It's almost certain that Assad will still be in power by next year.
*Gov shutdown is harder to call

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Necc0 posted:

ninja x2 edit: PredictIt also isn't allowed in Washington or Nevada

I'm in Washington and I'm using it just fine.

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe

Necc0 posted:

*It's almost certain that Assad will still be in power by next year.

Watch half of RSF lose their shirts after Assad has a heart attack on New Year's Eve.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
Ah I misread the Assad market. It has him remaining in power through 2016. That's much less certain.

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006


So how does buying shares work when a market is first created work? I put in a buy offer on the rep dropout market and it said there were no shares available.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Flippycunt posted:

So how does buying shares work when a market is first created work? I put in a buy offer on the rep dropout market and it said there were no shares available.

By submitting an offer it will automatically create a counter-offer that someone else can purchase. So for example if there aren't any yes shares available you can create an offer to buy them at $.40. When you do this it will create shares of no which someone else can purchase for $.60. If someone buys one of those shares then both accounts on both sides are charged for the shares, creating the full $1 contract. When a market first opens people will constantly edge up other people's offers until both sides meet each other and they start selling.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Flippycunt posted:

So how does buying shares work when a market is first created work? I put in a buy offer on the rep dropout market and it said there were no shares available.

When a market is open someone puts in a buy offer on yes or no and a corresponding offer goes up on the other side. So if I put up an offer to buy Yes at 45, what gets put up by Predictit is a Yes Sell at 45 and a No Buy at 55. The offer then sits there until someone decides to either sell enough of their Yes shares at 45 to fill your request or someone decides to purchase enough No at 55 to equal your request of Yes at 45.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

Gyges posted:

When a market is open someone puts in a buy offer on yes or no and a corresponding offer goes up on the other side. So if I put up an offer to buy Yes at 45, what gets put up by Predictit is a Yes Sell at 45 and a No Buy at 55. The offer then sits there until someone decides to either sell enough of their Yes shares at 45 to fill your request or someone decides to purchase enough No at 55 to equal your request of Yes at 45.

Note that if you're not the closest to the Latest Price, you can easily sit there waiting weeks or months before this actually happens. That's what you see when you go to the "Prices" page; a big list of all of these hopeful offers waiting for the other side of the trade to come along.

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006


Thanks, that makes sense.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
Hillary No shares in the Dem Nominee market are down in the mid to low teens right now, how likely do you guys think they are to rebound a few cents?

Zeta Taskforce
Jun 27, 2002

Gyges posted:

Hillary No shares in the Dem Nominee market are down in the mid to low teens right now, how likely do you guys think they are to rebound a few cents?

Its a coin flip but even at 14 cents, honestly it is overpriced. The only thing propping it up is fanatical Bernie supporters. You might eek out a few cents on a short term fluctuation, but if it goes down a few cents, then you have lost 1/4 of your value. Unless she dies in the next 6 months the long term value of this contract will be zero. I see it as highly speculative with limited upside.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Zeta Taskforce posted:

Its a coin flip but even at 14 cents, honestly it is overpriced. The only thing propping it up is fanatical Bernie supporters. You might eek out a few cents on a short term fluctuation, but if it goes down a few cents, then you have lost 1/4 of your value. Unless she dies in the next 6 months the long term value of this contract will be zero. I see it as highly speculative with limited upside.

On the other hand there are a lot of things that she could say or do that could provide a temporary spike. I bought at 16 right before the linked contracts took effect because I thought it'd take a turn upward but I definitely don't plan to cancel my sell order at 20.

User Error
Aug 31, 2006
Rnom is getting linked December 1. I recently bought a bunch of nos, I'm curious to see how things shake out. I haven't really played in any linked markets yet.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Oh great, I just got back in on Romney YES :v:

Cruz has been climbing all week to the detriment of Rubio. I'm invested in NO on Both so it's a wash but it's still interesting.

District Selectman
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

User Error posted:

Rnom is getting linked December 1. I recently bought a bunch of nos, I'm curious to see how things shake out. I haven't really played in any linked markets yet.

Cool, I have $2200 in the RNOM market, all NOs. I have NOs for almost everyone except for Cruz, who I like (the odds of being the candidate, not as a candidate, gross, gross).

The prices are still good IMO for guys like Christie, Kasich, and Jeb!. Christie/Kasich NO for 91 implies 9% chance for the nomination. Jeb! implies 15%. Those are all waaay too high.

Also, the Presidential market looks like it's linking Dec 3. The prices there seem out of whack too. You can buy Hilary for the same price as just buying Democrat to win in the Which Party Will Win market. With Republians at 40% to win, it doesn't make sense for someone like Trump to 16% to win. That'd imply there's a 40% chance he wins the Nom.

Zeta Taskforce
Jun 27, 2002

User Error posted:

Rnom is getting linked December 1. I recently bought a bunch of nos, I'm curious to see how things shake out. I haven't really played in any linked markets yet.

I just got cashed out of the Reb FBN debate and had $200 burning a hole in my pocket. I just dumped it all on RNom No's. The value of every NO seems to be falling but they are still all overpriced, and I should get virtually all my available funds back in a week.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
For some reason the site won't accept any more purchase requests for Warren No on the Dem Nom market for me. It keeps telling me that I don't have the funds or the bid would take me past $850. But I've got way more than enough and currently only have 350 or so shares at 99 each.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Gyges posted:

For some reason the site won't accept any more purchase requests for Warren No on the Dem Nom market for me. It keeps telling me that I don't have the funds or the bid would take me past $850. But I've got way more than enough and currently only have 350 or so shares at 99 each.

The site is just helping you beat inflation with your investments. :)

JohnnyPalace
Oct 23, 2001

I'm gonna eat shit out of his own lemonade stand!
Wow, Cruz and Rubio Yes are taking a huge hit with the impending contract linking.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

*does a fistpump*

Paper With Lines
Aug 21, 2013

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!

JohnnyPalace posted:

Wow, Cruz and Rubio Yes are taking a huge hit with the impending contract linking.

I was wondering about that. Can someone explain why linking would drive people to drop their shares?

Zeta Taskforce
Jun 27, 2002

Paper With Lines posted:

I was wondering about that. Can someone explain why linking would drive people to drop their shares?

Prior to linking, when there was a contract with lots of outcomes, like R-Nomnination, it was costly to bet No on high probability outcome events because it tied up lots of money for a long time. It led to contracts where if you added up all the Yes's they would add up to over 100%, sometimes over 200%. With linking, if you buy No shares in a second contact, the amount of risk you are taking doesn't go up. It might even go down some, and you can buy a lot more No positions without tying up more of your money. No becomes more desirable. Remember Econ 101 when the demand of something goes up, the price will go up too. Because No is now more desirable, it becomes more expensive, Yes has to become less expensive.

Note that there is still nothing forcing all the Yes outcomes to add up to 100%, but without the distortion that makes multiple buying No so costly, the markets will equalize. If the Yes outcomes used to add up to 200% and later they will add up to 100%, on average the price has to drop by half. Traders seeing this preemtively sold their overpriced Yes shares anticipating this and people who had uninvested money are buying No anticipating a quick return.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

Paper With Lines posted:

I was wondering about that. Can someone explain why linking would drive people to drop their shares?

More likely it's driving people to buy "no"s instead. Both actions have the exact same effect behind the scenes.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
I've got like $1100 freeing up on $1600 worth of bets on December 1 and I'm sure there's a lot of people in my shoes, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a ton of action in the week after. Make twenty bucks an hour watching CSPAN.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
Gitmo market hasn't reacted to Obama signing NDAA 2016 yet FYI

huge pile of hamburger
Nov 4, 2009
There's a new market titled "Will Turkey invoke NATO's Article 4." PredictIt has been coming out with awesome markets lately.

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin
Fun yes but not a lot of action to be found there. Turkey's territorial integrity isn't (and won't be) compromised.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

That's a big ol' NO imo, thanks for the update.

EDIT I didn't bite, it's already at 5-95. This is probably a market full of smarter than average people because there's no cult of personality or NewsMax articles involved.

huge pile of hamburger
Nov 4, 2009

Peachstapler posted:

Fun yes but not a lot of action to be found there. Turkey's territorial integrity isn't (and won't be) compromised.

Ya, obviously Turkey doesn't have anything to worry about, but all Article 4 says is they want to talk. For this question, it doesn't even have to be about Russia. Turkey already invoked Article 4 over the summer. This would be similar to the Webb Indy Run where for that, all he had to do was change his party affiliation. Will this question resolve to a yes? I doubt it, but there is plenty of opportunity to play the swings.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Peachstapler posted:

Fun yes but not a lot of action to be found there. Turkey's territorial integrity isn't (and won't be) compromised.

Some very perfunctory research shows that they don't really have to be threatened to use Article 4. Further, Turkey is pretty much the only country that invokes the article, and it has done so a few times.

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin

Vox Nihili posted:

Some very perfunctory research shows that they don't really have to be threatened to use Article 4. Further, Turkey is pretty much the only country that invokes the article, and it has done so a few times.
Well if that's how it works, did you pick up any cheap Yes?

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Peachstapler posted:

Well if that's how it works, did you pick up any cheap Yes?

No, it's already up to 20c in theory but literally no yes offers open. Some articles online also indicate Turkey immediately called an emergency NATO meeting the day of the incident, so I'm a bit confused about where things actually stand now. Now would be an excellent time to lowball with No offers, though.

Edit: would need to be a meeting between today and the end of the year, so meetings two days ago wouldn't count.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Aliquid posted:

That's a big ol' NO imo, thanks for the update.

EDIT I didn't bite, it's already at 5-95. This is probably a market full of smarter than average people because there's no cult of personality or NewsMax articles involved.

YES has gone from .05 to the mid .20's. I could have quadrupled my money, lol

still incredibly low volume, though.

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Paper With Lines
Aug 21, 2013

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!

Necc0 posted:

Gitmo market hasn't reacted to Obama signing NDAA 2016 yet FYI

Yeah, but look at the rules.

"The U.S. shall hold no detainees at the Guantánamo Bay Detention Facility, according to official statement of the Obama administration, at any point prior to Barack Obama's departure from the office of president.

This Market may close prior to the end date, if/when PredictIt determines the above criteria have been met."

He could still do some EO stuff on January 19th or whatever, right?

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