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Me, a level 40 white mage, healing any dungeon: OH gently caress gently caress OH gently caress *hits swift cast, hits that one that speeds casting 20%* YOURE NOT DYING ON ME TODAY *finishes pull where tank took way more than they should and have like 20% mana left* *tank jumps repeatedly into next pack*
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Oct 23, 2017 22:45
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creatine posted:Me, a level 40 white mage, healing any dungeon: OH gently caress gently caress OH gently caress *hits swift cast, hits that one that speeds casting 20%* YOURE NOT DYING ON ME TODAY Honestly, healing at 40 shouldn't be that stressful even with a crappy tank. Do you have Lucid Dreaming as a role action? It gives you MP back. Also, make sure you're using your regen on the tank, it makes a big difference. Just don't cast it pre-pull or you'll instantly get aggro from everything. Now, the level 41 dungeon with a crappy tank, that can be stressful.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:46
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:Honestly, healing at 40 shouldn't be that stressful even with a crappy tank. Do you have Lucid Dreaming as a role action? It gives you MP back. Also, make sure you're using your regen on the tank, it makes a big difference. Just don't cast it pre-pull or you'll instantly get aggro from everything. Oh I didn't know it gave back MP. I'll add it on
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Oct 23, 2017 22:52
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presence of mind is best reserved for dpsing. largesse is your best 'o fuk' button. also a whm can run on fumes for a long-rear end time because of Freecure procs
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Oct 23, 2017 22:53
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creatine posted:Oh I didn't know it gave back MP. I'll add it on This is never well explained in English for the game, but any ability that grants Refresh gives MP Regen.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:59
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creatine posted:Oh I didn't know it gave back MP. I'll add it on Yep, LD is absolutely necessary I'd say. Alternately, go SCH and let Eos do all the work for you. You also get the best DPS class in the game with it.  edit: to clarify, SCH wants Lucid Dreaming too, its mandatory on healers. Solo Wing Pixy fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Oct 23, 2017 |
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Oct 23, 2017 23:02
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:Yep, LD is absolutely necessary I'd say. Ninja?
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Oct 23, 2017 23:09
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Also in 5 levels you'll get Holy, which is basically a free Hallowed Ground on every pull.
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Oct 23, 2017 23:11
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Just had a newbie antitower for mentor roulette with a sprout whm. Told them to swiftcast holy and then cast two more holies for basically free at the start of every pull and they began to just loving nuke everything and it was great.
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Oct 23, 2017 23:17
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:You also get the best DPS class in the game with it. SCH and WHM do equivalent DPS, SCH just has to actually work for it. Reiterpallasch posted:presence of mind is best reserved for dpsing. largesse is your best 'o fuk' button. Before SB it ONLY worked with DPS spells. Did that change? Mr. Nice! posted:Just had a newbie antitower for mentor roulette with a sprout whm. Told them to swiftcast holy and then cast two more holies for basically free at the start of every pull and they began to just loving nuke everything and it was great. Must have been nice. Last sprout WHM I got ignored my Holy advice and spammed Medica 2.
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Oct 23, 2017 23:24
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Die Sexmonster! posted:SCH and WHM do equivalent DPS, SCH just has to actually work for it. Meaning SMN.
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Oct 23, 2017 23:27
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apostateCourier posted:Meaning SMN. 4.1 did a lot of good for SMN. They're getting picked up for speed raiding. e.g. https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/15#boss=1038 Also healers have swapped around again. It's back to WHM/SCH (AST DPS seems to be the issue, is what I'm hearing).
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Oct 23, 2017 23:31
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Loiosh posted:This is never well explained in English for the game, but any ability that grants Refresh gives MP Regen. oh that would have been helpful to know lmao
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Oct 23, 2017 23:42
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creatine posted:oh that would have been helpful to know lmao Right? I didn't know that until I was level 70.
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I thought LD was for enmity only until about the beginning of SB.Rastan Beeza posted:Man, you guys are all talking about Haurchefant affecting the your char too much, meanwhile I'm over here being really annoyed how HW is pushing wanting my character to Really Dislike Emmanellain while I think he's a funny as hell richboy loser. Yeah, I didn't really want to punch him in that scene. Maybe slap him upside the head for not telling the Archer to stop firing after he saw what was happening, though. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Oct 23, 2017 |
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Oct 23, 2017 23:47
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Die Sexmonster! posted:Before SB it ONLY worked with DPS spells. I'm pretty certain this has never been true.
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Oct 23, 2017 23:48
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Loiosh posted:4.1 did a lot of good for SMN. They're getting picked up for speed raiding. e.g. https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/15#boss=1038 Yeah, I meant SMN, which is actually good now even if no one here or in pubbie-land believes me. It's fun when someone yells at you at the start of an EXDR run for bringing a poo poo class in, then you get triple commendations at the end. 
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Oct 24, 2017 00:02
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Die Sexmonster! posted:Before SB it ONLY worked with DPS spells. Did that change? That has never been the case.
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Oct 24, 2017 00:06
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:Yeah, I meant SMN, which is actually good now even if no one here or in pubbie-land believes me. As I'm told MCH has shown us, fun and good are two different things though. Is SMN fun? I honestly ask because I haven't played it since mid-HW.
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Bobfly posted:As I'm told MCH has shown us, fun and good are two different things though. Is SMN fun? I honestly ask because I haven't played it since mid-HW. I hated it in HW and I like it now. The biggest QoL change, to me, is that aethertrail attunement stacks no longer expire with time, so you don't have to worry about them running out and leaving you with weird numbers of aetherflow stacks that throw off your whole rhythm. I haven't hit 70 with it yet but bahamut seems...neat? i guess? it occasionally gives you something to feel like less of a wet noodle in between aetherflow cooldowns, at least. also, among other changes, ruin 3 now replaces ruin 1 so you get to cast an impressive looking spell as your filler that won't drain your MP bar.
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Oct 24, 2017 00:54
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Luna Was Here posted:Always Be Pulling I've had like 5 healers so far tell me more or less "Goddamn dude I weep for your TP bar" when I'm tanking on my Warrior. And like 80% of the time I'll just immediately sprint away at the start missing the protect buff 
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Bobfly posted:As I'm told MCH has shown us, fun and good are two different things though. Is SMN fun? I honestly ask because I haven't played it since mid-HW. Summoner plays *really* well right now, with a couple of quirks to watch for. Bahamut can be a bit fussy sometimes, and you're still reliant on Ruin II/IV when he's running so that you can weave oGCDs in. Of course, complaining that your 270 potency spammable instacast isn't 300 potency is a bit cheeky. Other than that, you have extremely high DPS, decent support, good mobility (especially in DWT with instant Ruin IIIs), and lots of options to play with at various points in your cycle without it feeling overwhelming. I mean, the biggest complaint that I have right now is that it feels more like Allagan Mage than Summoner, and I'd rather have a good job than a thematically-appropriate bad one.
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Bolow posted:I've had like 5 healers so far tell me more or less "Goddamn dude I weep for your TP bar" when I'm tanking on my Warrior. And like 80% of the time I'll just immediately sprint away at the start missing the protect buff The worst feeling I've ever had while playing WAR was getting to the end of an EXDR with two melee dps and not knowing which one was Goading me throughout the run, so I had to guess for the commendation. Sometimes I lie awake at night wondering if I guessed wrong. 
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:The worst feeling I've ever had while playing WAR was getting to the end of an EXDR with two melee dps and not knowing which one was Goading me throughout the run, so I had to guess for the commendation. I used to not run Goad at all on my DRG and then I started leveling my WAR. Now I run Goad all the goddamn time in roulettes
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Bolow posted:I've had like 5 healers so far tell me more or less "Goddamn dude I weep for your TP bar" when I'm tanking on my Warrior. And like 80% of the time I'll just immediately sprint away at the start missing the protect buff Every single Slow Protect Caster is always a crybaby and will piss their baby diaper if a mob hits you without Protect. This is fact
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Bleu posted:Every single Slow Protect Caster is always a crybaby and will piss their baby diaper if a mob hits you without Protect. This is fact I cast it but only to get pubbies off my back by proving I tried It really should not be in the game
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Bleu posted:Every single Slow Protect Caster is always a crybaby and will piss their baby diaper if a mob hits you without Protect. This is fact Just think, a few months ago they were slow stoneskin 2 casters as well.
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Fister Roboto posted:I'm pretty certain this has never been true. Could have sworn I read that somewhere. Doesn’t seem to be the case. Sorry for posting fake news
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Oct 24, 2017 01:40
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:Yeah, I meant SMN, which is actually good now even if no one here or in pubbie-land believes me. Summoner is the best class even when it's the worst, because resurrecting people is great. Now Red Mages can too but I still usually end up being the reviver
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Bleu posted:Every single Slow Protect Caster is always a crybaby and will piss their baby diaper if a mob hits you without Protect. This is fact As opposed to what, burning a Swiftcast that could be better used dropping Holy on the first pull? I think not. If the tank hasn't gotten Protect by the time the shield goes down anyway, it's generally their own drat fault for not having had autoskip previously seen cutscenes turned on. (Or if they're genuinely new to the place then they're probably not going to go dashing off in a mad rush.)
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Oct 24, 2017 01:48
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Fister Roboto posted:Also in 5 levels you'll get Holy, which is basically a free Hallowed Ground on every pull. I'm dumb, please explain this.
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Oct 24, 2017 02:31
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The tank is effectively invincible if everything is stunned.
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The best kind of healing is not even allowing damage to happen in the first place.
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I've been leveling Scholar lately, since I want to get a healer at 70 now that I have a tank and DPS class there, and I am finding Protect to be the most boring skill in the game. We're casting it because we've always cast it. Maybe if they made it more like the PvP version that WHM gets, where it's a straight 20% damage reduction for 10 seconds, it might be more interesting.
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Oct 24, 2017 02:43
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Remove Protect, bake the bonus into gear defense values and rename Divine Benison to Protect.
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Oct 24, 2017 03:09
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Lizard Wizard posted:I'm dumb, please explain this. holy has a 4 second stun and a 4 second cast time. You swiftcast the first and start casting the second. Since no one is stunning anymore, the whole pack gets stunned for four seconds. By the time the first stun falls off your second cast goes off and everything is stunned another 2 seconds. Cast again and there will be another 1 second stun that can interrupt a bunch of aoes they try to cast in their one second of freedom from the first. Effectively your tank will get hit with only autoattacks for 1 second in a 10 second window. Always be holying.
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Mr. Nice! posted:holy has a 4 second stun and a 4 second cast time. You swiftcast the first and start casting the second. Since no one is stunning anymore, the whole pack gets stunned for four seconds. By the time the first stun falls off your second cast goes off and everything is stunned another 2 seconds. Cast again and there will be another 1 second stun that can interrupt a bunch of aoes they try to cast in their one second of freedom from the first. This is the first explanation of why I'd want to Swiftcast my Holy that I've heard that makes it all make sense. (When I heard everyone going on about Holy spam, I could see it was good, but not how good, and Swiftcast might be important later, and so on and so on...) So like, thanks for that!
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Mr. Nice! posted:holy has a 4 second stun and a 4 second cast time. You swiftcast the first and start casting the second. Since no one is stunning anymore, the whole pack gets stunned for four seconds. By the time the first stun falls off your second cast goes off and everything is stunned another 2 seconds. Cast again and there will be another 1 second stun that can interrupt a bunch of aoes they try to cast in their one second of freedom from the first. Always be holying? Or holy 3 times and then start healing? It sounds like after the third stun the tank is vulnerable again. It’s me, I’m the whm with a disturbing lack of faith in holy I also seem to end up with tanks that can’t seem to accurately communicate when they’re done pulling and when it’s safe for me to start holying
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It does a lot of damage, also, so keep spamming it even if everyone has stun resistance and heal between casts if you need to (or just interrupt a cast if things are really going bad). I mean the alternative is not casting anything a lot of the time because even on a big pull healing doesn't usually get that crazy, and WHMs have insane MP sustain so its not like holy spam is actually going to cause you to go empty.
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