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Montasque posted:broken brained Szechuan kid is alt right. There are pictures of him with based stickman on his Instagram. knock me over with a feather. nice
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Crane Fist posted:Also how many times in living memory has a gun protected a minority from the state versus getting them killed by it remember that time when American black people rose up and killed all the cops with the guns that they have? Guns: They Just Work. JK, they're won't protect you from state violence and in fact will just give the state an excuse to Waco you. if you're worried about racist law enforcement go after the people manufacturing and selling firearms instead of the people owning them.
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uber_stoat posted:remember that time when American black people rose up and killed all the cops with the guns that they have? i mean it does seem a little silly to defend firearms ownership as necessary for minorities to defend themselves in a society where the potential for firearm ownership allows police to summarily execute minorities for the presence of firearms within society whether or not that particular minority possesses a gun or not
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Oct 9, 2017 22:40
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I guess the idea is that at least if a community is armed it gives regular cops something to think about before they start pushing people around, even if obviously they're virtually useless as a deterrent to militarized police or federal agents. Then again, Philando Castile was murdered and I'm sure there are plenty of dudes like him that were both responsible and compliant gun owners and yet were killed anyway.
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Oct 9, 2017 22:49
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Heaven Spacey posted:I guess the idea is that at least if a community is armed it gives regular cops something to think about before they start pushing people around, even if obviously they're virtually useless as a deterrent to militarized police or federal agents. The problem is, the cops think about it all right, and come the conclusion "better light them up if given even the slightest excuse."
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Heaven Spacey posted:I guess the idea is that at least if a community is armed it gives regular cops something to think about before they start pushing people around, even if obviously they're virtually useless as a deterrent to militarized police or federal agents. Then again, Philando Castile was murdered and I'm sure there are plenty of dudes like him that were both responsible and compliant gun owners and yet were killed anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing quote:The resulting explosions ignited a fire from fuel for a gasoline-powered generator in the rooftop bunker; it spread and eventually destroyed approximately 65 nearby houses. The firefighters, who had earlier deluge-hosed the MOVE members in a failed attempt to evict them from the building, stood by as the fire caused by the bomb engulfed the first house and spread to others, having been given orders to let the fire burn.
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Oct 9, 2017 22:58
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Captain_Maclaine posted:The problem is, the cops think about it all right, and come the conclusion "better light them up if given even the slightest excuse." cops treat all black people as if they are savage warriors armed with machine guns. they'll do it whether or not they actually have guns and having one won't stop cops from killing them. it just makes it easier to excuse after the fact.
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Asking for more guns after racists have infiltrated state avenues of violence is like asking someone to up the table stakes after they've stacked the deck against you
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Al! posted:i mean it does seem a little silly to defend firearms ownership as necessary for minorities to defend themselves in a society where the potential for firearm ownership allows police to summarily execute minorities for the presence of firearms within society whether or not that particular minority possesses a gun or not Tamor Rice and that guy carrying a BB gun in a walmart were killed on sight for having fake/BB guns in Ohio, which is an open carry state the cops don't give a poo poo also we saw hillary loving clinton use the "police are outgunned" talking point as an excuse for excessive use of force and increasing police militarization in a debate a year ago nearly to the day the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 23:05 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Crane Fist posted:Also how many times in living memory has a gun protected a minority from the state versus getting them killed by it wasn’t that dude who shot and killed a cop during a no knock raid hispanic? prob not, but can’t google rn
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Oct 9, 2017 23:05
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:wasn’t that dude who shot and killed a cop during a no knock raid hispanic? this dude? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.a32b83bcde83 he's a lucky fucker. most people who shoot at the cops in these kind of situations end up dead. he did well by only losing 2 years of his life to prison.
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Oct 9, 2017 23:09
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Crane Fist posted:Also how many times in living memory has a gun protected a minority from the state versus getting them killed by it Dozens of times during Jim Crow and civil rights. Black gun clubs were pretty widespread, and the vast majority of them were never targeted. The Black Panthers were destroyed because they had an effective socialist program.
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Azathoth posted:Has anyone ever been able to find out where Spencer's funding comes from?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There's something inherently problematic about considering the state's monopoly on violence as a just absolute, and that nobody else should be armed - because the state's monopoly on violence is part of why Australia is literally running a concentration camp for refugees. The USA has little gun control and they have black inmates picking cotton in plantations. What is your point again? Notorious R.I.M. posted:There's also the issue that an actual insurgency against the US government would require much more than an armed populace because guns do nothing against UAVs and billions upon billions of dollars of military equipment. Do you really think the military would attack fellow Americans as easily as they do foreigners? Not to mention that I'm pretty sure it would be a very illegal order, and even if it were legal, it would be extremely unpopular. And is "insurgency" really all an armed populace could do? Being technically right is fine but we can do better
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Rick and Morty fans are chuds? R&M is like The Punisher - good properties with complex themes and cerebral characters that get taken for granted by die-hard fans who can't see the forest for the trees, so it becomes "Punisher kills criminals and that's good" or "Rick is rude to stupid people and that's good" without considering that neither property presents their central character as being "right" and actually portrays them as deeply flawed, troubled people who you shouldn't aspire to.
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hackbunny posted:The USA has little gun control and they have black inmates picking cotton in plantations. What is your point again? I mean I use stuff like the MOVE bombing as a yardstick for what police forces are willing to do without military intervention. If we had a Bundy Standoff situation except this time with not-white people then I would absolutely not be surprised to see people get droned. Would you be surprised? Looking at the armed anti-gov't militia group of the US, "insurgency" is probably giving them too much credit. Most of what they do boils down to either shooting cops instead of taking a traffic ticket or doing a bunch of exercises in the woods somewhere. So I guess they can also give cops a legitimate reason to be more scared and shooty too.
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Make no mistake, I personally hate how heavily armed Americans are. But given that the situation has passed the point of no return and they won't be disarmed easily or any soon,Notorious R.I.M. posted:shooting cops instead of taking a traffic ticket or doing a bunch of exercises in the woods somewhere really, is this dumb poo poo all it's good for?
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hackbunny posted:Make no mistake, I personally hate how heavily armed Americans are. But given that the situation has passed the point of no return and they won't be disarmed easily or any soon, I mean, yes? The other alternative that really scares me is a group of them set up and do something like the LV shooter did. A small militia force could do a repeat of that with an extra 0 on the end of the casualty toll. Any armed show of force by a civilian group could easily be matched by an exponentially stronger show of force by the state. Outside of a few cases like Waco, MOVE, etc... the state usually doesn't give enough of a poo poo to put their foot down. Otherwise, all they do is make state forces much more trigger-happy because they do have a legitimate fear of some random person they pull over pulling out a gun and shooting them (turns out they should be scared of white people mostly though). I'm really interested to hear how civilian armament is going to keep any sort of check on the state's monopoly use of violence because I just don't see how.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Dozens of times during Jim Crow and civil rights. Black gun clubs were pretty widespread, and the vast majority of them were never targeted. The Black Panthers were destroyed because they had an effective socialist program. So what exactly did they accomplish? Because it seems like they were tolerated because of their ineffectiveness, whereas groups like the panthers who attempted to do anything at all to protect themselves were mercilessly exterminated, guns or no
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Crane Fist posted:So what exactly did they accomplish? Because it seems like they were tolerated because of their ineffectiveness, whereas groups like the panthers who attempted to do anything at all to protect themselves were mercilessly exterminated, guns or no they protected their lives and property from paramilitary violence and police overreach. https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X
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Crane Fist posted:I mean am I missing some crucial context where a bunch of kkk dudes got lit up? well, there was that time the cwp used guns to defend themselves against the KKK how did that one end
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hayes_Pond "paramilitary" being the operating word. armed civilians. if the Government comes after you, you're screwed, guns or no. more so now than ever. you aren't dealing with racist rural cops with revolvers. if the cops catch your scent these days they'll run you over with a tank.
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uber_stoat posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hayes_Pond using Waco and the MOVE bombing as examples of what the government is capable of is a mistake, because they were both absolute disasters that police and federal agencies have bent over backwards to avoid ever repeating again. if you want to see what happens to blacks and leftists who tried organizing unarmed and with minimal security, look up the Greensboro Massacre.
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chitoryu12 posted:The Germans could have even been fine if they didn't overextend as badly as they did. Debatable, I'd say they could have easily kept a franco-esqe regime going well into the late 20th century if they hadn't pursued lebensraum. Their partition of Poland was likely them signing their death warrant. There wasn't any way Molotov-Ribbentrop was gonna last, and neither party expected it to. However, waiting for the Soviets to warm up their war engine would have been even more disastrous for the Reich. If America hadn't joined the European theater, the Comintern would have almost certainly gobbled up Western Germany, Italy, and quite probably France as well. Britain wasn't in a position to make demands of the USSR. What the result of WW2 really showed was the emergence of America and Russia as superpowers, and the relative decline in European power. It was, in fact, the prelude to the inevitable Cold War.
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Dreddout posted:Debatable, I'd say they could have easily kept a franco-esqe regime going well into the late 20th century if they hadn't pursued lebensraum. If they hadn't pursued lebensraum, they wouldn't have been Nazis. Much of what allowed Franco to last as long as he did, and stay out of WWII, was that he wasn't personally a fascist nor did he allow the falangists to hold the real power in his regime.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Let's leave the drama about the australian boat aside here and consider the core of the issue about letting minorities have guns. what the gently caress are you talking about the inability of your average sydney suburbanite to own a gun isnt why they're operating offshore detention camps, and the fuckers who could afford the time and money to maintain guns are the ones who would vote to deport all minorities to the camps
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Phobophilia posted:what the gently caress are you talking about the inability of your average sydney suburbanite to own a gun isnt why they're operating offshore detention camps, and the fuckers who could afford the time and money to maintain guns are the ones who would vote to deport all minorities to the camps australians would be much more accepting of refugees if the refugees were also armed
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Captain_Maclaine posted:If they hadn't pursued lebensraum, they wouldn't have been Nazis. Much of what allowed Franco to last as long as he did, and stay out of WWII, was that he wasn't personally a fascist nor did he allow the falangists to hold the real power in his regime. Nah, you can be racist without aggressively expanding, I think Austria's Fatherland Front was proof enough of that. Hell, even Mussolini tamped down on the belligerence And really, we can argue all day about what qualifies as fascist. I'm speaking broadly, of course, but anti-democratic rightwingers are all at least facist fellow travelers. If you're gonna claim Franco ain't a facist, than much of the Alt-Right isn't either.
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Badger of Basra posted:australians would be much more accepting of refugees if the refugees were also armed But, for brown peeps in the US, never disarm, since you cannot rely on the police to not shoot you if they get involved, and the only language nazis speak & understand is violence. appealing to their empathy/mercy/sympathy is a fools errand, because they're psychologically incapable of it. you have to shoot them to stop them. But you should do ur best to not 'flaunt' that capacity, since the racial stereotypes around black people doesnt help you. So, have them, learn to use them, but keep the capability concealed
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Dreddout posted:Nah, you can be racist without aggressively expanding, I think Austria's Fatherland Front was proof enough of that. Hell, even Mussolini tamped down on the belligerence
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:so i've uncovered the identity of a kid (basically) who has been going around plastering anti-semitic poo poo on college campuses around here Kick his loving rear end, yell him down until he's scared to show the gently caress up anymore. Drive the little poo poo into a hole.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There's something inherently problematic about considering the state's monopoly on violence as a just absolute, and that nobody else should be armed - because the state's monopoly on violence is part of why Australia is literally running a concentration camp for refugees. Are you having a laugh mate? This is about the most myopic take an American progressive can have about the Australian asylum seeker crisis. Not only have you bought into gun nut propaganda that we have no guns (we do), you struggle to conceptualise how politics even works without guns. Do you know of any Australian asylum seeker advocates who share your view? This is the first time I've ever heard of it as a contributing factor, and I've read more literature on the matter than the typical Australian.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:so i've uncovered the identity of a kid (basically) who has been going around plastering anti-semitic poo poo on college campuses around here Tell his parents.
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Crane Fist posted:Right because all the guns in america meant that Guantanamo was never a thing yeah but if those refugees had guns itd all work out somehow
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Tokamak posted:Are you having a laugh mate? This is about the most myopic take an American progressive can have about the Australian asylum seeker crisis. Not only have you bought into gun nut propaganda that we have no guns (we do), you struggle to conceptualise how politics even works without guns. Do you know of any Australian asylum seeker advocates who share your view? This is the first time I've ever heard of it as a contributing factor, and I've read more literature on the matter than the typical Australian. That wasn't even really about guns.
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Bullfrog posted:Go ahead and email the perp's campus and the info you've gathered to this throwaway email that I just set up: johnbrownthrowaway @gmail [dot] com Gringostar posted:wait for him in the lot and when he goes to put the fliers up remove the valve stems from his car and then tape them to the window since it's not property destruction or theft Rah! posted:lol how can you not be sure  i like the idea of stealing his cartoon nugget sauce, though KyloWinter posted:Tell his parents. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 11:02 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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